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  • [Other] The strange obsession with discontinued rides

    Frequently on Micechat, the topic of expired rides inevitably comes up. Some people have a fascination with them simply because they never got a chance to ride them during their short time (such as the Rocket Rods). But sometimes it becomes near fanaticism towards the ride and, I'd imagine, anger about it's closure (Peoplemover, anyone?)

    Let me paint a picture for you...
    Remember watching Transformers, or Ninja Turtles back when you were a kid. Those shows were amazing and entertaining. Go watch an episode now and realize how absolutely terrible it truly is. Your memories make those shows and those rides great.

    If they were to recreate and open some of these rides, there would be a sudden burst of attendance, then it would immediately drop off. There's a reason these rides were closed down. In particular: Adventures Thru Inner Space. I think this ride would be more embarrasing to ride on than any nostalgia could ever make up for.

    I'm betting that 5 years after Honey I Shrunk The Audience is closed and replaced that people on Micechat will be begging for it's return.

    Maybe I'm missing something, or just particularly cynical. I'm hoping I'm not the only one who feels this way though.

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    Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

    Old rides hold old memories. Old rides hold old gags. Old rides old on to a time when Disney was different. Old rides hold on onto a certain time- Walt's time. That's why everyone likes old rides. They keep a shread of memory, a shread that cannot be replaced. They make us remember the times with family, the fun. I was 7 when the subs left, and there went a shread of memory. Then they came back, and now I get to share those memories once again.

    I will never forget riding in the Mark V monorail when the Mark VII comes online

    I will never forget Fort Wilderness.

    I will never forget my first ride on Hainted Mansion.

    They hold memories, memories we wish we could recreate dearly. That's why everyone likes them.

    So, maybe your just not getting it, or maybe you just need to think a little deeper. I'm sure you have memories like these... just think....
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    • #3
      Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

      There were some ones that were ok, and were closed because of something more popular. Take Mr Toads Wild ride in WDW for example. I've never rode it or been to WDW but I have seen videos of it on YouTube and it was a GREAT dark ride. But Winnie the Dominator took over. He even did in DL a few years later.

      As times change, our perception on things of the past also changes, so take that into account as well. Was the old fashioned nature of most of America Sings acceptable by most people in 1974? Perhaps, but I don't think it could work as well now...

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      • #4
        Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

        ORWEN: Well, there's at least ONE retired attraction coming back and that's the Sleeping Beauty walk through. Some things are so timeless that they should never go away, you know. They can be improved here and there. But they should still be around--like Sleeping Beauty Castle.

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        • #5
          Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

          Memories are definately clouded by a healthy dose of nostalgia. I have watched old Transformers cartoons as an adult, and you're right - the shows I used to love can be pretty terrible. However, I think you simplify the issue too much. I wouldn't dismiss opinions on long-gone rides as mere nostalgia.

          I disagree that people will be begging for the return of HISTA, just as I see no one begging for the return of Superstar Limo.

          You mention Inner Space, the one ride I'd love to see return more than any other. I actually think this would hold up better than the ride that replaced it, Star Tours, which is terribly dated. Is it due to nostalgia? Sure, quite a bit. But I also wish there were more of that type of ride. Lengthy and original omnimover attractions that the entire family can experience together give way to fast-paced thrill rides far too often (a problem at Epcot as well).

          I think anger and fanaticism would be exhibited by a very tiny fraction of the Disney fan base. Most of us are merely disappointed at the loss of certain attractions.
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          • #6
            Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

            It could also be, that perhaps the attractions that replace the discontinued one's are generally not as good (if they are replaced at all, aka. peoplemover.) I don't mean this for every case, but it would make some sense. However, if the attraction that is replaced isn't as good as the one that is replacing it (like the above mentioned superstar limo) then we are less likely to attach to it.

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            • #7
              Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

              Nostalgia's fun, and some of us are really prone to it. No harm in recognizing nostalgia for what it is, though--a lot of times, we mistake attractions we remember fondly for attractions that were actually superior. I know I'm very sentimental about the Rocket Rods, but I know that they really were a half-baked idea that was cheaply executed, and I probably wouldn't care so much about them if they were still open or if the visit during which I rode them hadn't been so amazing.

              Originally posted by BC_DisneyGeek View Post
              You mention Inner Space, the one ride I'd love to see return more than any other. I actually think this would hold up better than the ride that replaced it, Star Tours, which is terribly dated.
              I strongly disagree. ATIS appears to have been a great ride for what it was, and there's no shortage of understandable emotional attachment to it in the world of Disney fandom. But I think Star Tours holds up immeasurably better than it did, despite its datedness. And it will feel all the more modern (hopefully in a good way!) after its second version opens.


              And this is the part where, to most of y'all's perception, I nullify any opinions I have by saying that I will be missing HISTA five years after it's gone. :blush: It's not a top-rate attraction, but I like it for what it is, and despite the common opinion of most MCers, the audiences are still enjoying the show.

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              • #8
                Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                Originally posted by BC_DisneyGeek View Post

                I disagree that people will be begging for the return of HISTA, just as I see no one begging for the return of Superstar Limo.

                You mention Inner Space, the one ride I'd love to see return more than any other. I actually think this would hold up better than the ride that replaced it, Star Tours, which is terribly dated. Is it due to nostalgia? Sure, quite a bit. But I also wish there were more of that type of ride. Lengthy and original omnimover attractions that the entire family can experience together give way to fast-paced thrill rides far too often (a problem at Epcot as well).
                .
                First of all, I'd prefer Superstar Limo rather than Monsters Inc, especially if they put all the money they used to change it over into refurbing it and refining it. I'm sorry, but I'm a sucker for original attractions that fit the land.

                As for ATIS, I think the idea would still work, but the actual ride would come across as incredibly hokey. There's a reason it was a popular make-out ride. But, in all fairness, if the ride would have remained, it would have undoubtingly been given upgrades and refurbishments to bring it up to modern audiences' standards.
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                • #9
                  Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                  I agree with you, I don't really like the word "Nostalgia" .."just keep moving forward"? right?

                  I DO however want to see the Peoplemover return..but not anything like it was, all redesigned and made fresh would be good.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                    Perhaps Transformers or Ninja Turtles just don't hold up as well as some of the old discontinued rides?

                    Some of the attractions of the past have served their purpose and should move on. Others, however, still had life in them and could have been re-engineered to keep them fresh and up to date. The Skyway could have been ressurected if handled properly - a unique part of the Park was lost. The removal of the Peoplemover was a mistake as is evidenced by the still empty track threading throughout Tomorrowland and a Disney created transportation system was lost.

                    I'm a firm believer in Walt's idea that Disneyland should not be completed - but his caveat was "as long as there is imagination left in the world." For the most part, older attractions that are lamented because of their passing have been replaced with something less imaginative...and the Park suffers for it. Comparing Country Bears to Pooh, Rocket Rods to Peoplemover usually results with the newer attraction coming up short. If that trend is reversed, maybe the obsession with the discontinued will as well.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                      And also, the technology used on attractions like the peoplemover or Adventure Thru Innerspace were relatively new. Sure, if you brought them back now, they've suck, compared to the tech we have now.
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                      • #12
                        Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                        Originally posted by chiablo View Post
                        Frequently on Micechat, the topic of expired rides inevitably comes up. Some people have a fascination with them simply because they never got a chance to ride them during their short time (such as the Rocket Rods). But sometimes it becomes near fanaticism towards the ride and, I'd imagine, anger about it's closure (Peoplemover, anyone?)

                        Let me paint a picture for you...
                        Remember watching Transformers, or Ninja Turtles back when you were a kid. Those shows were amazing and entertaining. Go watch an episode now and realize how absolutely terrible it truly is. Your memories make those shows and those rides great.
                        I will agree that there is a lot of obsession with older rides, but you can't throw a blanket over all of it and compare it to TMNT cartoons.

                        I'm glad you brought up the PeopleMover because here is an example that you can still ride at WDW (i.e. Tomorrowland Transit Authority) and many of us who go to the Magic Kingdom still enjoy it. So, IMO, that would not be a good example since it's something we can wish back and know it's still as good as we remember.

                        Originally posted by chiablo View Post
                        If they were to recreate and open some of these rides, there would be a sudden burst of attendance, then it would immediately drop off. There's a reason these rides were closed down. In particular: Adventures Thru Inner Space. I think this ride would be more embarrasing to ride on than any nostalgia could ever make up for.
                        I do agree that many of older attractions would not be successful today and most of them are gone for a reason. While it's not true in every case, the most common reason for an attraction's demise is that it wasn't that popular anymore. Country Bears and Inner Space likely weren't packing them in before their closure.

                        On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with nostalgia. For some people, Inner Space might have been one of their favorite attractions and there is nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean that it should/needs to rise from the dead, but it also doesn't mean that it was a crappy attraction.

                        Originally posted by chiablo View Post
                        I'm betting that 5 years after Honey I Shrunk The Audience is closed and replaced that people on Micechat will be begging for it's return.
                        Every single attraction has its fans -- even Golden Dreams has fans! So HISTA may have a few people who might want it back down the line. I don't think it's horrible; it's just stale. Even a good movie gets stale if you see it too often.

                        Originally posted by chiablo View Post
                        Maybe I'm missing something, or just particularly cynical. I'm hoping I'm not the only one who feels this way though.
                        I'm someone who generally embraces change at DL. They want to pirate-ize Tom Sawyer's Island? Go ahead! Want to incorporate the movie characters into POTC? Sounds good to me! Want to put Disney characters into IASW? Doesn't bother me. Want to put a 'Dream Suite' where The Disney Gallery is? Well... I'm not thrilled with that, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it either.

                        Personally, I can deal with most of the changes and I often myself at odds with a great many MC'ers who often reject change at DL. However, there is nothing wrong with people loving the attractions of the past.

                        Sure there is a line between nostalgia and an irrational desire to bring back all the attractions from the past, but in a discussion forum, your opinion is no more valid that anyone elses. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how much people want or don't attractions to return since Disney has the only say in the matter.
                        Last edited by KISSman; 06-29-2008, 06:04 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                          I think there are two aspects of this. There is nostalgia for lost attractions and for lost experiences. Personally for me, there are really no specific rides I really care about coming back. I wouldn't mind the Bears coming back and a new ATIS would be cool, but I'm not begging for their return. I would like the experience of a quality AA show and a classic Disney dark ride in Tomorrowland though.

                          I would like the experiece of traveling high over the park and the sense of motion that the PM, Skyway and RJ all offered to return in some form since that experience has been lost. Other then that, it's dissapointment that the new attractions aren't better than the old like others have said.
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                          • #14
                            Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                            There's no obsession. Just discussion. There are several rides I would love to see brought back. Peoplemover, the Sky Ride, America Sings, Circlevision. I sometimes talk about that. I'm not obsessed about it.
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                            • #15
                              Re: The strange obsession with discontinued rides

                              Are you kidding? ATIS would be one of the best attractions if it were brought back with 21st century technology. There is nothing that says it has to be brought back to life in the same exact way with omnimovers. It could be redesigned and converted into a E-ticket attraction very easily. Just use your imagination.

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