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  • [Question] Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

    Do you think the fans put too much emphasis on theme or setting when new attractions or anything else is put in an area where they don't think fits (i.e., Cars Land, the Little Mermaid ride, Jolly Holiday bakery)?
    My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

    1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
    2. Pirates of the Caribbean
    3. Splash Mountain
    4. Mad Tea Party
    5. Peter Pan's Flight
    6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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    Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

    I think for the most part yes. However, if they wanted to just put whatever they wanted there wouldn't be themed lands.
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    • #3
      Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

      No. Walt set the bar pretty high - especially for his time, and I see no reason to keep lowering it.





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      • #4
        Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

        YES because it's a Fantasy... land. People take the construction and structure far too seriously. I mean yes it wouldn't make sense for Tomorrowland's rockets to be put in the middle of Fantasyland BUT I'm fine how the imagineers are handling the situations that they are dealt with in the space that they are dealt with.

        They know what they're doing.

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        • #5
          Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

          I agree the imagineers are doing just fine - but the question was about the fans taking theming too seriously was it not?





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          • #6
            Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

            No, I think many fans will gladly accept shallow ornamentation and self-references over actual detail and depth.

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            • #7
              Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

              I imagine a lot of people are so OCD about it that they don't enjoy anything at DL.

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              • #8
                Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                Since theming is what set Disneyland apart from the amusement parks that existed before, I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable for fans to question. And for those who saw the park in its earliest of days and right on through the 70s/80s, or so, they'll have more by which to make comparisons.
                I think it's inevitable though since Disneyland was such an original and unique thing when it came to theming.
                For those who worked there early on (I can't speak to the orientation/training sessions nowadays), we went through orientation at the DU and learned Walt's philosophies up one side and down the other and how they should represent in the park.
                As far as theming goes though, it will be an imperfect art. There will always be inconsistencies somewhere. I'm sure there were when Walt was running the place, and there will continue to be nowadays.
                Personally though (IMO), I think the park should do its best to maintain that philosophy as best as they can. I'm not sure taking the costumes out of the park has helped theming though. It used to be that everything was kept behind the berm and you didn't experience that hands on magic up close and personal until you got inside the gates. Heck, they didn't even want you lingering in an area out of costume for any longer than you had to. And we avoided it as best as we could.

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                • #9
                  Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                  Originally posted by CASurfer65 View Post
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                  As far as theming goes though, it will be an imperfect art. There will always be inconsistencies somewhere.
                  It comes down to why. In need of funds, Walt did make concessions to sponsors. There are logistical and safety issues as well. There are artistic reason, such as a deliberate anachronism like Sleeping Beauty Castle. Because people won't care or notice is not a good reason. Because people just like certain brands is not a good reason.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                    I don't think you could ever put too much emphasis on theme and setting. That's what makes parks like Disneyland and Universal stand out from the rest.
                    To all who come to this happy place; welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past...and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams and the hard facts that have created America...with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world. - Walt Disney

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                    • #11
                      Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                      Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                      It comes down to why. In need of funds, Walt did make concessions to sponsors. There are logistical and safety issues as well. There are artistic reason, such as a deliberate anachronism like Sleeping Beauty Castle. Because people won't care or notice is not a good reason. Because people just like certain brands is not a good reason.
                      And I absolutely agree.

                      I think the farther we get away from Walt and the Disney influence, the more we'll see artistic license being taken which moves us away from some of those original philosophies and perspectives on what the park should be. And it will be based more on what people, nowadays, want.

                      Costumes out of the park and looser appearance guidelines will, of course, feel wrong to me when it comes to the theming piece , but newer generations won't have that same attachment that I do because I'm older and I saw those old school philosophies in action. And I liked 'em.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                        I don't think one can ever put too much emphasis on theming in a theme ​park. It's not the fans that put too much emphasis on theming, it's Disney that has been lax in certain areas of late.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                          Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
                          I don't think one can ever put too much emphasis on theming in a theme ​park. It's not the fans that put too much emphasis on theming, it's Disney that has been lax in certain areas of late.
                          Exactly right. Disneyland well earned its reputation for theming excellence in its first three decades as the world's premiere theme park. Sadly, the last two decades have seen land-theme appropriateness often treated like a distant and unimportant second cousin, after brand marketing.
                          "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
                          Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                          imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

                          - Neil Gabler

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                          • #14
                            Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                            Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
                            I don't think one can ever put too much emphasis on theming in a theme ​park. It's not the fans that put too much emphasis on theming, it's Disney that has been lax in certain areas of late.
                            Exactly.

                            If I want a jumble of attractions thrown together without a cohesive theme, I'll go to Knotts or Universal or Six Flags. I go to Disneyland specifically for the theming, to be immersed in this alternate reality created by cohesive theming and care and regard for that theme.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Do you think we put too much emphasis on theme/setting?

                              we shouldn't even be talking. We're criticizing people for putting cars land in the middle of California Adventure. (which in itself makes sense since California has a history of car culture). When the creator of his very own park decided it was a good idea to put a swiss mountain in between a medieval castle and a submarine fleet. which also practically destroyed any sense of main street USA of being a turn of the century town in america once you see that snowy mountain sticking up near the end of the street. Yet it still fits in Disneyland.

                              So in my opinion, I guess we're being a little too harsh about theming and placement.

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