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    I made a thread about this when I joined MiceChat but now that I know people here more I figured I'd do it again.

    I do not want to seem like I am attacking any one person in this thread. I'm not. I know merlin jones, a user here, created the essay, and I want to say right now: I AM NOT PERSONALLY ATTACKING HIM.

    I still feel I can critcize the essay, if it's OK.

    I hope I get all my thoughts into this thread. It's been building up for awhile.

    Let me try to start.

    -Biggest problem with the essay is that it cries for things of the past. OK, I know there are some pretty big attraction "holes" in Tomorrowland, but maybe we don't have to just take the old ride back. Maybe we can do better. It's ironic especially because this is TOMORROWLand.

    -TL1967 might have had its strong points (kinetics, more attractions) but there were weaknesses. It was pretty sterile looking, and basically totally white, which is not particularly warm and inviting. The "weenie" concept (Rocket Jets) makes sense, but the ride isn't in motion as much as the essay suggests. It loads slowly. TL67, besides being sterile, was almost entirely concrete and nothing else. It just looked kind of drab. I'm not saying the ugly brown TL98 looked better, really, but it did manage to give it a less sterile feel.

    -The essay, and much of the rest of the site, is awfully one sided. "Eisner's TL98. Eisner did this. Eisner did that." Geez, he's not Satan.

    -The author suggests that the "Peoplemover, Rocket Jets and Skyway create a sense of movement, fun and wonder." Hmm...movement, yeah. Fun, probably. Wonder? Maybe in the 1970's, but after that, none of those three attractions were awe-inspiring.

    -Plaza Inn blocking its view really has nothing to do with Tomorrowland.

    The essay isn't bad, and it's certainly right on in some parts. However...well, read my criticism.

    Glad I let that out. :yea:
    Last edited by Kevie; 07-09-2005, 08:10 PM.

  • #2
    Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

    interesting (its still black) just to let you know :whistling
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    • #3
      Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

      I thought the same thing about the concrete.

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      • #4
        Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

        A few dozen pictures is worth a thousand words...

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        • #5
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          The pictures ARE indeed shocking enough...but still...

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          • #6
            Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

            Um, link to the essay?
            Good morning, son
            In twenty years from now
            Maybe we'll both sit down and have a few beers
            And I can tell you 'bout today
            And how I picked you up and everything changed
            It was pain
            Sunny days and rain
            I knew you'd feel the same things...


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            • #7
              Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

              http://savedisney.com/news/disneylan...ss061104.1.asp ... There is also a Sequel showing off just the current (well, June 2004) Tomorrowland.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by MotorBoatCruise2005
                The essay, and much of the rest of the site, is awfully one sided. "Eisner's TL98. Eisner did this. Eisner did that." Geez, he's not Satan.
                Out of all the points you make, I agree with this one the most strongest. Can I say you have Tony Baxter to thank for the colour scheme and those awful rocks at the entrance. :thumbdown I'm sure Eisner has better things to do (like storyboard sequels ) ) than plan a whole new land centimetre by centimetre when he has an entire department of creativity that is on HIS payroll that can do it for him.
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                • #9
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                  Thanks for the link!!
                  Everything looked so clean and wide open back then. So much of tomorrowland seems cluttered these days.
                  Good morning, son
                  In twenty years from now
                  Maybe we'll both sit down and have a few beers
                  And I can tell you 'bout today
                  And how I picked you up and everything changed
                  It was pain
                  Sunny days and rain
                  I knew you'd feel the same things...


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                  • #10
                    Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

                    um dude, that essay wasnt saying the old rides should come back. It just compared the "then current" tomorrowland to how it was 20 years ago. It was one sided, sure, but how could anybody say they like the New TOmorrowland 98? They cant bc it sucked.

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                    • #11
                      Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

                      Where's the photo essay that compares it to the current TL. (as of june) A link please?

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                      • #12
                        Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

                        I like the photo essay. Those are great comparison shots. They match perfectly from slide to slide. Nice.

                        No, Eisner's not Satan. But Tomorrowland did look like hell in '98...

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                        • #13
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                          Thanks for the link
                          As nice as the other parks are, we must always remember that it all began at Disneyland. Disneyland should be the crown jewel in the Disney crown.

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                          • #14
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                            I appreciate the merlinjones essay. It does expose the poor condition of Tomorrowland.

                            I have to say, I am for progress. I think that the TL of 1967 did need an update. But what it got was a DOWNgrade. That is what the essay is meant to convey.

                            I do believe that there are always ways to make Disneyland better, Tomorrowland too. Right now TL has too many eyesores that just need to be corrected-- peoplemover tracks that carry nothing, ugly rocks that block the entrance, an empty submarine lagoon, and so on...

                            Pressler just did not know how to manage an amusement park. Eisner should have been on top of it, but he was clueless about what was going on.

                            THANKFULLY, we are on the right track now. I believe that Tomorrowland WILL be better in the future! ("There's a great big beautiful tomorrow...") :thumbup:
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                            • #15
                              Re: SaveDisney TL Photo Essay

                              Originally posted by JiminyCricketFan
                              I think that the TL of 1967 did need an update. But what it got was a DOWNgrade. That is what the essay is meant to convey.
                              It's true. The Tomorrowland of 1967 wasn't perfect. By the mid 90's it was definitely showing signs of wear, and it needed to be updated. MBC2005, did you spend much time in Tomorrowland before, say, the early 90's? It was really different. It wasn't all white and sterile like you say. It was bursting with color and movement. It's like putting a colorful painting in a plain white frame. The plainess of the frame will draw you into the painting. Take a look at those pics from 1967. There's color everywhere.

                              But it did need an update to send it into the future again. Unfortunately, the TL98 versions wasn't an update at all. It was a downgrade.

                              I've never been a big fan of Tomorrowland in general, but it really used to be a place full of life, movement, and excitement. When you walk through Tomorrowland today it feels stagnant. There is no movement.

                              I'm not saying that we need to remake Tomorrowland into the 1967 version, but that version was sure better than what we've got today: drab, boring, and lacking any kind of energy.
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