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  • Outsourcing?

    I've been hearing lots of rumors that Shanghai Disneyland's design may be mostly out-sourced. Has this been proven true or false yet?

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    I don't hear that.

    I do hear rumors that:
    • Contractors will be brought in
    • Designs of ride components will be outsourced, but to WDI specs/theme.
    Both I expect completely. Both are quite different from outsourcing the overall design of the park itself.

    I completely expect them to bring contract program managers, but WDI to own the top level project management and design.
    Last edited by nish221; 07-12-2011, 08:10 AM.

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      Re: Outsourcing?

      If it makes you feel any better, a lot of the design work for the park *is* partially being "outsourced"...

      But... it is being "outsourced" to a lot of extremely talented ex-WDI folks who, for whatever reason, departed the company in years past under less favorable management. Heck, the head of the project is Bob Weis - a guy who left WDI during those dark years only to recently return. So a lot of these folks getting calls to do work on the park are extremely talented artists with roots in the "golden era" of WED/WDI.
      Last edited by MiklCraw4d; 07-20-2011, 02:16 PM.

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      • #4
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        No it isn't being outsourced. The head of the project is Bob Weis, who is bringing back ex-Imagineers as consultants. The majority of the design and creative work is being done by WDI, with a bit of consultation from previous, but extremely talented Imagineers.

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          Re: Outsourcing?

          Originally posted by disneylandfan95 View Post
          No it isn't being outsourced. The head of the project is Bob Weis, who is bringing back ex-Imagineers as consultants. The majority of the design and creative work is being done by WDI, with a bit of consultation from previous, but extremely talented Imagineers.
          Hiring design consultants is outsourcing.

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          • #6
            Re: Outsourcing?

            Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
            Hiring design consultants is outsourcing.
            Not when Imagineering is doing 95% of the design work.

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            • #7
              Re: Outsourcing?

              Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
              Hiring design consultants is outsourcing.
              consulting isn't outsourcing - it's an alternative employment setup.

              Hiring a firm to do the work on your behalf I would consider outsourcing. Extending your workforce via consultants is flexible manpower.. not outsourcing.

              People wig out about this topic all the time - yet seem to forget WDI have been using external engineering, ride system companies, and all other kinds of stuff since the beginning. From Arrow, to ship builders, to modern day firms.. be it design or construction... WDI and Disney don't do it all themselves and never have. The key points are where the creative process is steered from and where the design accountability plays in.

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                Re: Outsourcing?

                Originally posted by flynnibus View Post
                consulting isn't outsourcing - it's an alternative employment setup.

                Hiring a firm to do the work on your behalf I would consider outsourcing. Extending your workforce via consultants is flexible manpower.. not outsourcing.
                Despite all the talk of team work, the focus of looking at design is more often on specific personalities which makes the term "consulting" easier to apply. The firms are not always just an individual protecting himself with a company. At how many employees does it switch from consulting with a firm to outsourcing to that firm?

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                • #9
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                  That's not a numbers distinction - that is a way of operating distinction. That's not something we can discern simply from the notion that 'consultants' are involved

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                  • #10
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                    Didn't Al Lutz say something about outsourcing? Or maybe it was some other Disney rumor mill web author.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Outsourcing?

                      They probably bring on contractors and designers as outsourced talent but like some have said, are ex-Imagineers that are brought it in specifically for things like this.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Outsourcing?

                        Originally posted by flynnibus View Post
                        That's not a numbers distinction - that is a way of operating distinction. That's not something we can discern simply from the notion that 'consultants' are involved
                        Thats the big differentiator being argued that Walt Disney Imagineering has not been pursuing more outsourcing, just consulting to former Imagineers. In an field of ideas there is a lot of room shades of grey. If a former Imagineering who picked colors is now still picking colors are the color choices being outsourced or is this person just consulting on them? The issue, regardless of terminology being used, is how much of the principal design staff is a team that remains and moves from project to project.

                        How Shanghai Disney Resort becomes a test is because of the number of upper level designs in the "consultant" position. These are the guys with the huge salaries. So what if the actual work is being done by some mostly nameless team? They are not a personality, they are more easily replaced and more easily dissolved at a later time.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Outsourcing?

                          Originally posted by nish221 View Post

                          • Contractors will be brought in
                          • Designs of ride components will be outsourced, but to WDI specs/theme.
                          Pretty much the way things have been since Disneyland opened.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Outsourcing?

                            Originally posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
                            Pretty much the way things have been since Disneyland opened.
                            Yes. I agree!

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