I honestly don't get what they were trying to accomplish in respect to this "rolling" expansion. I know you have to cut through the corporate speak but as a DL regular back from 8 days at WDW I was VERY underwhelmed by the expansion. Belle's que was horrible 20 minutes after opening and the last thing I wanted to spend precious morning minutes in was a LONG line; Mermaid was a great que but the same ride as DCA and Dumbo is...well Dumbo. Having the Snow White mine ride construction zone right in the middle of it all just make it largely uninviting to really want to spend a bunch of time there. What was their stated rational for doing it this way?
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Re: Can someone explain the thinking behind the "Phased" expansion of Fantasyland?
Originally posted by 3rdshiftCM View PostThe Mine ride was a last minute change in plans for the New Fantasyland which is why it's so far behind the rest of the project.
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Because the expansion seemed to appeal mostly to the female demographic. So they put on their "thinking caps" and said, "Hey let's put a D-Ticket coaster where Pixie Hollow was supposed to go".
"Like what?"
"How about the Seven Dwarves?"
"But we already have a Snow White attraction, it's a classic."
"Close it and put the left over princesses in there, nobody will miss it."
"You my friend are a genius!"
"Thank you, by the way, the names Staggs, Tom Staggs."
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Originally posted by LordVader View PostBecause the expansion seemed to appeal mostly to the female demographic. So they put on their "thinking caps" and said, "Hey let's put a D-Ticket coaster where Pixie Hollow was supposed to go".
"Like what?"
"How about the Seven Dwarves?"
"But we already have a Snow White attraction, it's a classic."
"Close it and put the left over princesses in there, nobody will miss it."
"You my friend are a genius!"
"Thank you, by the way, the names Staggs, Tom Staggs."
This is what actually happened:
"So, what is all this stuff in the middle of the land?"
"Themed meet and greets for Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty"
"So, there's no rides here? How much are we spending on this?"
"Yeah, no rides, but it's only going to be about 30 million dollars. Plus we're closing Snow White's Scary Adventures to put the other princess meet and greets in there too."
"I have two boys, I think we have enough Princess stuff, and this has too many meet and greets and not enough actual rides, thank you very much. Let's build an actual ride there instead."
"Well, we were planning to build a Seven Dwarfs Roller Coaster there before Jay axed it."
"Let's go back to that coaster."
"Okay."-Bill
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Re: Can someone explain the thinking behind the "Phased" expansion of Fantasyland?
Originally posted by Bill View PostUmm, no...
This is what actually happened:
"So, what is all this stuff in the middle of the land?"
"Themed meet and greets for Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty"
"So, there's no rides here? How much are we spending on this?"
"Yeah, no rides, but it's only going to be about 30 million dollars. Plus we're closing Snow White's Scary Adventures to put the other princess meet and greets in there too."
"I have two boys, I think we have enough Princess stuff, and this has too many meet and greets and not enough actual rides, thank you very much. Let's build an actual ride there instead."
"Well, we were planning to build a Seven Dwarfs Roller Coaster there before Jay axed it."
"Let's go back to that coaster."
"Okay."
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Originally posted by goofy donald View Postits actually more like the first one, they were never going to close snow whites scary adventures prior to the addition of the dwarf coaster. the princess hall meet and greet is the replacement of the more spread out meet and greet plans from the original concept and the dwarf coaster is the replacement for snow white's scary adventures.
In fact, I know of 5 different versions of Fantasyland that were in the works before we got what we have.
And FYI, the ORIGINAL plans had the coaster. Rasulo took it out. Staggs put it back.-Bill
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Re: Can someone explain the thinking behind the "Phased" expansion of Fantasyland?
Originally posted by sandiegomousefan View PostI honestly don't get what they were trying to accomplish in respect to this "rolling" expansion. I know you have to cut through the corporate speak but as a DL regular back from 8 days at WDW I was VERY underwhelmed by the expansion. Belle's que was horrible 20 minutes after opening and the last thing I wanted to spend precious morning minutes in was a LONG line; Mermaid was a great que but the same ride as DCA and Dumbo is...well Dumbo. Having the Snow White mine ride construction zone right in the middle of it all just make it largely uninviting to really want to spend a bunch of time there. What was their stated rational for doing it this way?
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Originally posted by ssaamm View PostIt's done to make people make multiple visits. People would have come to see Storybook Circus. Then again to see Belle and Ariel, then they'll make a third visit to see the Dwarf's coaster.
That's why Universal does things the way they do. Disney, at least in Florida, eh, not so much.-Bill
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Originally posted by Bill View PostYou actually are referring to yet another different incarnation of Fantasyland we almost got. I'm not wrong... but you are correct that there is in fact a different version that would have kept Snow White.
In fact, I know of 5 different versions of Fantasyland that were in the works before we got what we have.
And FYI, the ORIGINAL plans had the coaster. Rasulo took it out. Staggs put it back.
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Now, I don't know if this factored into their planning, but Old Fantasyland had become a cramped traffic jam. Opening New Fantasyland, even before all of the attractions were ready, has eased that situation. So even if that's not what they intended, it has been a positive result.
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Re: Can someone explain the thinking behind the "Phased" expansion of Fantasyland?
Originally posted by ttintagel View PostNow, I don't know if this factored into their planning, but Old Fantasyland had become a cramped traffic jam. Opening New Fantasyland, even before all of the attractions were ready, has eased that situation. So even if that's not what they intended, it has been a positive result.
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Re: Can someone explain the thinking behind the "Phased" expansion of Fantasyland?
Originally posted by Bronco21 View PostThis. However, Storybook Circus was opened long before Fantasyland Forest which was a mistake. Opening it sooner took away a lot of the wow factor (if New Fantasyland even had any).
But opening "it sooner" isn't what took away a lot of NFE's "wow factor". If NFE was going to wow us it would be wowoing us regardless of if it opened in phases or not.
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Originally posted by tloolgb View PostThe lack of capacity in the Magic Kingdom during peak season hurts the park...Storybook Circus was opened in phases because they needed any little bit of capacity.
But opening "it sooner" isn't what took away a lot of NFE's "wow factor". If NFE was going to wow us it would be wowoing us regardless of if it opened in phases or not.
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Originally posted by Bronco21 View PostYeah it's always going to be a battle between imagineering and operations-Bill
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