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  • New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

    includes midway madness, and very small water show details

    http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hi...5/16/2407.aspx

    sorry if somebody already posted this.

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    Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

    Sigh, I still don't think that is enough. I just feel like I'm at a cheap, urban, dirty amusement park while on the midway. There is nothing wrong with that, I love any park, but when paying top dollar to be at a DISNEY park, I feel kinda cheated.

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    • #3
      Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

      His quote from his WDI "Insider" is questionable. I simply dont buy that Disney Imagineers wouldn't want to create a detailed story-telling setting in a park that certainly needs it. Its not a vanity project - its really important to DCA's long-term success. Look at Disneyland - story-telling, detail-rich settings and environments coupled with quality attractions.

      Both environment as well as attractions are important. I simply cannot see an Imagineer denouncing the Placemaking project...

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      • #4
        Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

        anyone notice that almost all of his sources start out all their sentences with the phrase, "The thing you need to know, Jim, is..."
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        • #5
          Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

          Yeah, if that source really is with WDI and that is their thought process than say good-bye to any remaining vestages of greatness.

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          • #6
            Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

            Originally posted by lazyboy97O
            Yeah, if that source really is with WDI and that is their thought process than say good-bye to any remaining vestages of greatness.
            Yeah sad day. I hardly think that quote is real though. I love how Jims articles always have this big dramatic centerpiece in them. I can't possibly believe them. With the recent changes in STORY and ENVIRONMENT INSIDE attractions like the Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, and Haunted Mansion I hardly think that Imagineering has ditched the idea of abandoning story and environment and backstory to the areas outside and around attractions. As Jim's "insider" said - What a crock.

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            • #7
              Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

              didn't al talk about midway madness a week or two ago?

              anyway, it's hard to tell exactly what disney is going to do 100% of the time, especially if you only rely on one person leaking things from the inside. obviously whomever jim hill spoke with at WDI is biased toward putting money into rides & not into themes and environments. he seems very bitter, which makes it hard to take his info at face value.

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              • #8
                Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                The Jim Hill article bothers me because it suggests that WDI just doesn't get it. The trick to saving money is not to be cheap, but to do it right so people will pay more, go more, and the changes stand up to the test of time. Forget synergy, forget place making, forget filler attractions. Think big picture. What does the midway need to be interesting? It needs waves, it needs isolated walks down by the water, it needs a restaurant on the water, it needs a period and a stronger theme, and it needs rides which not only stand on their own, but support that theme. Most importantly, it needs to not feel cheap or mundane and all the parts need to work together to make the whole better than the sum of the parts.

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                • #9
                  Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                  Originally posted by Lore
                  The Jim Hill article bothers me because it suggests that WDI just doesn't get it.
                  Take comfort, though, in the fact that Jim belongs to the "my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with this girl that saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night" school of journalism.
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                  • #10
                    Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                    I agree with Lore that it looks like WDI does not get it. I would add one thing. It looks like DCA is back to "let's throw another ride in and maybe people will like DCA now." Just one more ride, is not going to fix DCA. I know that Monsters was a hit, but that was because there were so few family rides. I know that a year from now, no one will be going to DCA to ride Monsters. They might go on it while they're there, but people will not make a special trip to DCA to ride it.

                    DCA does not have any heart. John Hench wrote that Walt Disney worked very hard to create Disneyland so that it would evoke an emotional reaction. DCA has none of that. I was hoping that DCA might transport people to a new time or place as Disneyland does. Now it will just build giant toys shooting at one another (or are we supposed to shoot the giant toys?). I know that evokes emotion! :sarcasm:
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                    • #11
                      Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                      I have never been one to think that changing the front entrance of DCA was going to make it a park equal to Disneyland. I laughed at the thought of adding a Mickey fountain and some trees in the "Monster's Inc" area was going to make DCA a better place to visit.

                      In all, I'm agreeing with the imagineers. Adding well themed rides without so many corners being cut is the way to go. Retheming the front of DCA (and bring "golden dreams" theater up to replace the giant hubcap) is like flushing good money down the toilet.

                      It's scary how much faith I'm putting in John Lasseter and his effect on WDI. To answer Jim's last paragraph of the article, I do think "CARS" is going to be a HUGE hit and John is going to have carte blanche around Disney for quite some time... and he's going to deserve it.

                      Go ahead and push back the opening to Nemo, John. I'll take a 3 month delay if you're ADDING things, and not letting accountants and naysayers cut corners again and give us neon paint slapped on plywood cutouts with a large gift shop at the exit. THOSE are the people who don't "get it".
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                      • #12
                        Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                        Originally posted by Lore
                        The Jim Hill article bothers me because it suggests that WDI just doesn't get it.
                        Exactly. The point of the placemaking is to give DCA the "feeling" it lacks. What sets Disney's parks above the rest is the atmosphere that you can just sit and enjoy. Can't do that at Six Flags or Paramount. Honestly, it sounds like his inside is Barry Braverman, except hes out. Lol. I mean WDI annoyed that the "newbies" want to remake DCA in thier own image? Well from what we've been hearing everywhere else most of WDI wants to remake parts of DCA.

                        What killed me though was the talk about MGM, how only us Disney Geeks would appreciate a new soundstage by Muppets so they'll put Midway Mania in where Millionaire is. But I say: then won't the average Pixar-Loving paying customer wonder why Al's Toy Barn and Pizza Planet are in one corner and the Toy Story ride is somewhere else totally?

                        I'm going to guess this is more Jim Hill spin from another "great" source...but I gotta go with Lore, if it is true WDI still is having issues or still has the wrong guys at the top.

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                        • #13
                          Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                          Originally posted by daddyb
                          In all, I'm agreeing with the imagineers. Adding well themed rides without so many corners being cut is the way to go. Retheming the front of DCA (and bring "golden dreams" theater up to replace the giant hubcap) is like flushing good money down the toilet..
                          Yes good rides help, but I for one sit and enjoy all the parks, and I think many people do. Running from great ride to great ride only can be so fun if you have to sit in a lousy area in between when you get tired.

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                          • #14
                            Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                            Blah, blah, blah.

                            Midway Maddness is, at best, as obscene as Placemaking... Someone needs to slap WDI upside the head... We don't need another Toy Story based ride...
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                            • #15
                              Re: New Jim Hill article regarding DCA's future

                              I use to love the Jim Hill articles about rides that never got built but I really don't think he is a good source for future things to come. He basically just read the mouseinfo boards and wrote what Marcie said only he put a much more negative spin on it.

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