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    More on how rising costs and slow bookings could change your Walt Disney World plans. Discuss it here!

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    One thing I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned is the fact that with less buses being filled more often, that stroller dilemma could become a lot worse with people choosing to bring their own strollers and filling up the buses faster.
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    • #3
      Re: 6/24: Bus, Stop!

      The busses used to go to the TTC anyways and it was relatively recently changed wasn't it?:P

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        Not sure when it stopped but when we used to go to WDW in the 80s, all busses did go to the TTC, of course back then there was only Epcot Center and MK. So this made a lot of sense as you would take a monorail (or boat) to get to the parks and did, as Kevin mentioned, allow for a smoother transition from reality.

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        • #5
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          Disney has to be careful how it messes with this. Taking away or limiting a service after people have groomed to use it will cause many more problems than it will solve. There are many options for buses. There are fleets of biodiesal buses working daily in major cities. Hybrid buses too. Perhaps Disney should visit Yosemite to see it done better?

          I'll keep watching what they do. Should service go into the garbage, I won't return to WDW. It is TOO BIG to even contemplate limiting transport in my mind. Cut somewhere else. Jay Rasulo's job for starts.
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          • #6
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            I like the way Kevin thinks. This is why I buy all his books and read all his articles, he sees things slightly differently than the average person. He finds negatives in positives and positives in negatives and allows us to see the entire big picture.

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            • #7
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              Doesn't WDW use millions of gallons of fryer grease per year? It seems to me that it could either be converted to biodiesel easily, or even burned straight in the busses via an auxiliary tank. Even converting it to biodiesel would cost around $1 a gallon, and that could definitely offset the diesel cost at WDW.

              I've been running biodiesel in my VW Golf for 3 or 4 years now, and the stuff works really well. I think that could be a pretty decent solution in the interim.

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              • #8
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                I went in the off-season (Pop Century) and found that the busses came frequently and were always full. I can't see reducing their numbers helping much.

                And cost savings from dropping off guests at the TTC instead of the MK? That can't possibly save enough money to be worth it. I do wish they would do this though, as I totally agree that arriving by monorail is so much better. Staying in a resort hotel, I really felt I was missing out on this. But, would it end up decreasing the guest experience by overburdening the monorail system, making for longer waits and crankier guests?

                $4.4 million a year in fuel costs? Isn't this really a pittance in terms of WDW operating costs? If gas prices double, a monorail or light rail might be more efficient in the long-term, but I think if Disney needs to cut costs, this won't be the big area that takes a hit.

                And very good reader point about "casino" restaurants. I only paid for one or two meals at WDW and didn't feel ripped off at the time, but it's an obvious way to make the Dining Plan seem more valuable than it should be.
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                  I only have one nit to pick - it's the Transportation and Ticket Center, NOT the Ticket and Transportation Center. But even many Disney World employees get that one wrong, too.

                  (OK, 2 nits to pick!) And the guy who wrote Kevin needs to stop referring to his DDP meals as "free". They are most definitely not free. In fact, if you do the math, usually your savings with the DDP are only a few dollars per stay.

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                  • #10
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                    Why stop at bio-diesel busses? Why not take the next step and go with bio-diesel hybrid busses. I know here in Minneapolis they've purchased a few hybrid busses and have seen a fuel efficiency increase of 1 MPG. Yeah it does sound much but when you are only getting 3.86 with a normal bus, and the hybrid gets 4.71 that's nearly a 20% savings in gas.

                    http://www.startribune.com/local/11828731.html

                    Another interesting part of the article is they say that the cost of the busses gets recouped after 6 years at $3.25 a gallon. With prices lucky to ever be that low again I'd say a bio-diesel hybrid would be a smart look for Disney if they could do it. (Yes I do know that the bio-diesel hybrid busses would be more expensive than just hybrid, but still to recoup the cost difference in around 6 years or so isn't too bad)

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                    • #11
                      Re: 6/24: Bus, Stop!

                      Three more ideas for you ...

                      1. Extend the Epcot monorail to the Epcot Resort area. It's not that far and then you can eliminate the busses that those resorts use to Epcot and the Magic Kingdom.
                      2. Make a new entrance into Epcot from the Caribbean Beach Resort area. There is plenty of space between the Germany and Norway pavilions. By using a bus or tram from Pop Century, this would alleviate some buses from these two resorts as well.
                      3. Combine the Bus stops located at both Port Orleans resorts, or even reduce the multiple stops at the Riverside to just one near the lobby.

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                      • #12
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                        Regarding the dining. If they are tailoring this towards tourists, isn't that a good thing. As Kevin has stated many times in the past, if its good for tourists, even at the expense of locals, its still a good thing, correct?

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                        • #13
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                          I wish everyone would stop using the costs of the Las Vegas monorail when considering adding on to the Monorail track in WDW. A comparison between the two is like comparing apples to oranges. Building a track in a busy, already built-up area of Las Vegas is nothing like building track in an empty field next to a road on the WDW property. It no doubt would cost more than it did last time the WDW Monorail track was expanded, but nothing like the prices that Las Vegas endured.
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                          • #14
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                            If WDW went to a set-schedule for the busses, We'd probably use them, but then again maybe not.

                            I like the idea of taking the bus to the TTC for MK, this would work for every hotel because of the distance from most hotels to the MK.

                            But for EPCOT, given that so many hotels are close to the park, I'm not so sure it would work too well. Imagine staying at one of the value resorts, or Carribean Beach and your going to EPCOT. You pass EPCOT and drive another 2 to 3 miles to the TTC to get on a Monorail to go back. Not fun.

                            My idea:

                            Instead of using the TTC for EPCOT, use EPCOT as another type of "Hub" for the hotels in that area.

                            For the hotels that are not in the MK resort area, you have 1 bus for EPCOT and the MK. The bus drops EVERYBODY off at EPCOT then you can take the Monorail from EPCOT, to the TTC and then to MK. You still get the "Set-Up", Busses don't have to make that extra 10-mile round-trip from say Port Orleans to the MK and back and it saves gas and time.

                            Alot of people do this when going to the MK anyway.

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                              Re: 6/24: Bus, Stop!

                              Originally posted by sir clinksalot View Post
                              My idea:

                              Instead of using the TTC for EPCOT, use EPCOT as another type of "Hub" for the hotels in that area.

                              For the hotels that are not in the MK resort area, you have 1 bus for EPCOT and the MK. The bus drops EVERYBODY off at EPCOT then you can take the Monorail from EPCOT, to the TTC and then to MK. You still get the "Set-Up", Busses don't have to make that extra 10-mile round-trip from say Port Orleans to the MK and back and it saves gas and time.

                              Alot of people do this when going to the MK anyway.
                              Great in theory, but I'm not sure if there are enough monorail trains to do the job. Solution, thus, is more trains closer together (in time) on the tracks.
                              Also, perhaps the next hotel built will be closer to EPCOT and the monorail station, instead of in some far corner of the property. This new development on the west side: No monorail service? Why not?

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