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  • Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

    I just added up what I have spent on Duffy/Shelly May items from Japan this year. Then I added that figure to what I have spent on Duffy items from WDW.

    In contrast I guestimated what I have spent at WDW on non-Duffy items. Duffy is the hands down winner! Over 90% of my Disney budget goes to Duffy/Shellie May. And those figures do not include money I have spent on BAB(items for the bears).

    You can claim the bears on income taxes right? LOL

  • #2
    Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

    Seconded. There's no way I'd still be an APer if it weren't for Duffy, and I almost never buy Disney items unless they're Duffy-related. For me at this point, "Disney" is an extension of the DUFFY brand!:lol:

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    • #3
      Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

      Since discovering Duffy a few months ago, this is pretty much all i've purchased, too. I've been semi-boycotting DL since they hiked up the premium AP's so high a couple years ago; if AP's aren't valuable to TDA, I'll go to the parks once a month or when I'm able but spend my $ elsewhere. That changed when I fell in love with Duffy. If/when Duffy leaves DL, so too will my spending habits. Do you think they will ever learn?

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      • #4
        Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

        I actually buy very little Duffy merchandise from the states, though if they had things nearly as nice as they have in TDS, I imagine I would spend what I consider a crazy amount. (Granted, Disney would still consider it a drop in the bucket, but still.)

        Long rambling post ahead; you can skip to the last paragraph if you want the point.

        Duffy's walkabout leaving DCA hurts me more than I'd expected. I'm planning a trip this spring where we wouldn't have hoppers, so I'd only have 1 day in DCA. Realistically, I would have spent no more than 3-4 minutes with the Duffy walkabout character on the whole trip to California--quite possibly less, even if I met him twice like last time--so it SHOULDN'T really affect my trip. It's not like I don't have cute photos with Sailor Duffy already. Yet his absence is disproportionately and adversely affecting my anticipation of my upcoming trip, and I'm currently not even very excited to go. :unsure:

        It's likely not all Disney's treatment of Duffy; there are other "declines by degrees" as Kevin Yee might say, and I'm concerned over what kind of refurbishments might be going on so close to the 60th. I guess Duffy's removal reminds me that other things I love could be taken from Disneyland at a whim.

        But maybe what I'm most bothered by stems from what is verging towards honest-to-goodness hatred of Duffy and mockery of us fans on the Disneyland side of MiceChat. I guess I feel like now Disney US isn't even trying to legitimize him as a character in California. So now when folks say how awful and stupid Duffy is, and that he's a failure, it feels like Disney agrees. And I don't really care what people think of me carrying a bear or two (Duffy will ALWAYS be a genuine Disney character to me)...but it stings to think that one of the things I enjoy most about Disney is despised by so many (admittedly not very kind) people who consider themselves hardcore Disneyland fans. At this rate, soon people in Disneyland won't even know why someone would be carrying around what they see as a teddy bear. If Duffy is not a walkabout in DCA, IS he really a character in the world of the Disneyland Resort at all?

        I guess now more than ever is the time to embrace the Japanese merchandise, but there is something so special about buying a Duffy (or Duffy souvenir) for yourself at a place you love. If you get a Duffy or Shellie May in the mail and Duffy isn't featured in Disneyland Resort, then there's no link to those parks unless you make it yourself. There's nothing wrong with making that link yourself, but if Duffy has little or nothing to do with Disneyland, and if Disneyland isn't an especially acceptable place to bring him, why make any effort to bring your bears there at all? Why not take your bears somewhere else instead? My Duffies and Shellie Mays have all had delightful adventures at non-Disney destinations.

        (And then they replaced Duffy with Oswald and it sounds like it's mostly adults meeting Oswald. So it's perfectly reasonable for adults to go meet a cartoon rabbit that was stolen from Walt Disney in the 1920s, but adults with a teddy bear is laughable? )

        Anyway, if I hadn't already promised someone I would take her to Disneyland if she got the money together, I actually would be strongly considering saving my money and maybe going very late next year--making it nearly 2 years between Disney trips--or (gasp) even skipping attending the year of the 60th anniversary altogether. :shy: And if my friend's money situation were to fall through and our trip were delayed or called off, I actually don't think I would be brokenhearted. (Well, OK, I'd be brokenhearted for my friend, who has been quite excited, but I think I'd be OK with not going again for quite a while. Hopefully I'm just speaking out of hurt and will get over it.)

        In that respect, Duffy may not be a money MAKER, but what Disney did to him in California does have the effect of making me less enthusiastic about Disney, which makes me less inclined to go on trips and give them money. (Conversely, bringing Duffy over here did actually made me visit Disney parks more than I would have otherwise.)
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        • #5
          Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

          I'm falling out of love with Disneyland, too. For the reasons listed above and more.


          For example: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...esterland.html (if you only read one, read this one)


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...to-thread.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...-going-up.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...icked-out.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...y-removed.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...iscussion.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...food-goes.html Shows that Pizza Port is universally hated.


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...witcheroo.html Discusses the recent Pizza Port-ificiation of Boardwalk Pizza in DCA


          http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blo...k-restaurants/ Shows how proud they were to serve non-theme park style food at Boardwalk Pizza, just three years ago


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...et-elites.html Discusses the bad behavior of social clubs/gangs, whether real or perceived (The tenets of social psych would have me believe that guest behavior is worse when traveling in large groups; see also grad night)


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...rs-go-bad.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...ce-system.html (starts out fine, but then some members expressed vitriol for disabled guests and their so-called advantages)


          http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blo...dventure-park/ See comments for disappointment over loss of unique, themed menu items


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...th-2014-a.html Themed act fired with no replacement.


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...less-cash.html More Duffy hate.


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...aled-back.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...ed-soarin.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/pixar/182...character.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...adventure.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...isneyland.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...its-charm.html


          http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...moves-wdw.html
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          • #6
            Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

            :yea: :roll: :yea:

            This post hit me so hard in the feels that I'm not sure I can even adequately respond, but I will try because oh-my-gosh-I-:love:-this-post-so-muchness-for-ever-and-all-ways!!

            Originally posted by Eeee-va View Post
            Duffy's walkabout leaving DCA hurts me more than I'd expected. I'm planning a trip this spring where we wouldn't have hoppers, so I'd only have 1 day in DCA. Realistically, I would have spent no more than 3-4 minutes with the Duffy walkabout character on the whole trip to California--quite possibly less, even if I met him twice like last time--so it SHOULDN'T really affect my trip. It's not like I don't have cute photos with Sailor Duffy already. Yet his absence is disproportionately and adversely affecting my anticipation of my upcoming trip, and I'm currently not even very excited to go. :unsure:
            It's the way it seems like no one at Disney in America was ever able to really let go of ego enough to open to what Duffy is about and the feeling that "if he ain't turnin' tricks an' makin' money, he's outta here." Disney hasn't done anythingDisney with Duffy, even if it's not fair criticism of Duffy himself.

            And the irony that Duffy could have and should've represented a renaissance in Disney merchandising and character creating is also quite painful. I get it. It's just an utter wrongness, and it seems like nearly all the better choices were not only obvious, but discussed here.

            Originally posted by Eeee-va View Post
            It's likely not alltrying to legitimize him as a character in California. So now when folks say how awful and stupid Duffy is, and that he's a failure, it feels like Disney agrees. And I don't really care what people think of me carrying a bear or two (Duffy will ALWAYS be a genuine Disney character to me)...but it stings to think that one of the things I enjoy most about Disney is despised by so many (admittedly not very kind) people who consider themselves hardcore Disneyland fans. At this rate, soon people in Disneyland won't even know why someone would be carrying around what they see as a teddy bear. If Duffy is not a walkabout in DCA, IS he really a character in the world of the Disneyland Resort at all?
            YES, he is. Because, American company or not, what Disney means in Japan is far closer to what Disney means than can even be dreamed of in the jaded, self-conscious US (which is ironic if you really understand both cultures). And what Duffy means in Japan isn't going anywhere anytime soon. OLC could stop producing Duffy at this point and I wager that crafty Japanese fans would simply keep cranking out their own ambitious designs, passing him down through generations. The bottle has been uncorked and Duffy's magic is potent and real, whether others understand it or not. Duffy is, I am convinced, transcendently authentic Disney. He has more Disney spirit than the current company knows how to generate, which is the problem with what they've done.

            Originally posted by Eeee-va View Post
            I guess now more than ever is the time to embrace the Japanese merchandise, but there is something so special about buying a Duffy (or Duffy souvenir) for yourself at a place you love.
            This is part of why it is sooooo important to me that Duffy fans really understand the fictional Cape Cod, and why I think Disney's failure to even address Cape Cod was a mortal wound to Duffy out of the gate. Besides being generally charmless, the American version of the Duffy story removes the work-together spirit of Cape Cod and the sense of place for the Duffy fan community; it is a loss that cannot be overstated. In Tokyo, giving Duffy a name went hand in hand with giving him a home. And that sense of place forms a foundation for everything, everything grows from that.

            They needed to either find a way to link to Cape Cod (my idea was online fan community) or they needed to work hard to connect Duffy equally as deeply to a place in the US parks. The latter was always unlikely, though, because you can't just take back something like that. You can rollback from a merchandising push, but if a corner of the park becomes the home of a character in regularly released seasonal merchandise and storytelling, plus in a walk-in, breathe in park experience, it's hard to just give up or "phase out." Disney seems to prefer the option that people will just shrug their shoulders, forget, and move on to the next fad.

            Duffy is not now, nor has he ever been, nor is he likely to become a "fad." He is an unstoppable phenomenon and an embodiment of postmodern hopes and dreams in the face of capitalist consumerist cancer. Duffy is full of irony and contradiction, like most things that are both deeply emotionally meaningful and evidently true.

            Originally posted by Eeee-va View Post
            If you get a Duffy or Shellie May in the mail and Duffy isn't featured in Disneyland Resort, then there's no link to those parks unless you make it yourself. There's nothing wrong with making that link yourself, but if Duffy has little or nothing to do with Disneyland, and if Disneyland isn't an especially acceptable place to bring him, why make any effort to bring your bears there at all? Why not take your bears somewhere else instead? My Duffies and Shellie Mays have all had delightful adventures at non-Disney destinations.
            Why not, indeed? And why not also decide for yourself what the Disney brand means, whether that's a mouse head or a bear face? While you're at it, decide that most of what powers your love of Disney and its parks has absolutely nothing to do with either corporate profit prioritization, shareholder ideals, nor the preferences of strangers around you who would go to a fantasyland primarily to judge others' fantasies as somehow unworthy. Live in your imagination. Thrive in it. And if that's what Disney and Duffy mean, then that magic goes everywhere.

            Originally posted by Eeee-va View Post
            (And then they replaced Duffy with Oswald and it sounds like it's mostly adults meeting Oswald. So it's perfectly reasonable for adults to go meet a cartoon rabbit that was stolen from Walt Disney in the 1920s, but adults with a teddy bear is laughable? )
            I find it ridiculous that all those people would likely argue that Oswald has validity because he has "history." Duffy's history is at least as rich and layered, yet FAR MORE relevant to contemporary society. I can only think that those people have not bothered to know or understand anything about what Duffy really is, not that Disney has made any real effort to make this happen.:shy:

            I suppose it's worth noting that Oswald's greeting in Japan, where the mascot originally debuted, is in the outskirts of Cape Cod and it is rarely very busy.

            Originally posted by Eeee-va View Post
            Anyway, if I hadn't already promised someone I would take her to Disneyland if she got the money together, I actually would be strongly considering saving my money and maybe going very late next year--making it nearly 2 years between Disney trips--or (gasp) even skipping attending the year of the 60th anniversary altogether. :shy: And if my friend's money situation were to fall through and our trip were delayed or called off, I actually don't think I would be brokenhearted. (Well, OK, I'd be brokenhearted for my friend, who has been quite excited, but I think I'd be OK with not going again for quite a while. Hopefully I'm just speaking out of hurt and will get over it.)

            In that respect, Duffy may not be a money MAKER, but what Disney did to him in California does have the effect of making me less enthusiastic about Disney, which makes me less inclined to go on trips and give them money. (Conversely, bringing Duffy over here did actually made me visit Disney parks more than I would have otherwise.)
            I hope you and your friend have a wonderful time, but "what Disney did to
            Last edited by DuffyDaisuki; 09-25-2014, 01:06 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

              I am not fully convinced that Duffy's time is over in the US theme parks.
              I think Shellie May's presence in the Aulani Resort is a merchandise test and if the test proves successful, she will make her way to the US parks along with Duffy. With that will come new merchandise and new displays.
              I do like the Cape Cod storyline, but I think a version that involves the bears in California for Disneyland and in Florida for Walt Disney World could work too.
              Never understood the Duffy detractors' cry of Duffy being a "money grab" either. Everything has the potential to be one in a Disney theme park. What are the pins, Vinylmations, and those strange figures with the magnets that you can place on your shoulders? (The latter is a recent park souvenir where you can place a character on your shoulder like a little mascot. There are Pascal, MM, and Donald Angel/Devil figures). It's a matter of opinion.

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              • #8
                Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                I'm so tired of people calling Duffy a "money grab". EVERYTHING Disney does is a money grab! Ummm... all this Frozen stuff they're shoving down our throats? Just another money grab!

                Like I've mentioned before, one of the biggest problems with Duffy in the US is people can't seem to relate to him because he hasn't been in a movie or a TV show. They just can't accept him as his own character in his own right without having to be in a movie or TV show. I just don't get that logic at all. They just see him as a Build A Bear "ripoff" without even attempting to find out his backstory. They just judge with no real knowledge.

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                • #9
                  Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                  Just thought I'd point out that while Oswald's history is very old and not very known, he has recently been a big part in two rather big instances of Video Games. I'm guessing it's more based on this recent re-introduction than his past history that he is being brought up front.

                  As for the rest about Duffy, I am saddened and agree. I feel like a child who suddenly realizes that he's growing up because when he looks at his toys the adventures don't come anymore like they used to. I don't want Disney to become something else than an escape from the real world.

                  Duffy is a part of that magic. He could be if given the chance. and he has proven he can be profitable as well.

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                  • #10
                    Epic Mickey games really have major impact?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                      Amongst youngsters maybe.

                      I'm thinking more of parents taking their kid to Disney but with no real Disney interest themselves. Maybe I just don't hang out with the right people, I was under the impression most people who are not die hard fans didn't know much about the history of Oswald.

                      But as you say it could also very well be location. I live quite far from the Parks so people here have little occasion to learn about Disney unless they give themselves the trouble to look for it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                        Oh, don't get me wrong, LG (can I call you LG?), I agree with that. I just think those people aren't likely to know or care about Oswald any more than they'll care about Duffy. Maybe even less. I think the core audience for Oswald, the people willing to stand in line to meet him and the ones who actually buy merchandise, are gonna be mostly people who know the real history and care about it. Funny how that always works.^^

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                        • #13
                          Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                          Originally posted by DuffyDaisuki View Post
                          I dunno… I think especially in Anaheim, a LOT of the guests who are gonna really care about Oswald are gonna care because of the real-world history and Walt. Did the Epic Mickey games really have major impact?
                          I haven't been to the parks as often as I should recently, but I can tell you...

                          And I hope I don't offend anyone...

                          I noticed when they first started selling the Oswald ear hats...

                          ...that most of the people wearing them...

                          ...looked like the comic book collector from the Simpsons.

                          Sorry!!

                          There have been other indications. As I walked by Oswald's gas station on opening day of Buena Vista Street, I heard several groups explain, "Epic Mickey!" I've heard that on subsequent trips, as well.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                            Hmmm I have an Oswald fan in the house who looks NOTHING like Comic book guy.

                            Perhaps it is a west coast thing. I have seen a few people at WDW wearing Oswald-they just look like families. I don't know how popular Oswald is here in Florida-lots of Oswald stuff at the outlet last week. (More Oswald than Duffy-I think that says something!)

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                            • #15
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                              I am just going to but this out there....... Oswald means NOTHING to me. I say that as a really true Disney Fan. I have studied Walt and the beginning of the "magic" for years. Oswald (for me) represents a terrible event in Walt's life.

                              Duffy means so much to me. Duffy has been a very big part in my daughters life. Duffy was the first smile, the first hug, the first magic my child knew. She was terrified of Snow White, the evil queen, even Goofy. But Duffy was "safe". Gentle and loveable. My dad (who often gets MY name wrong) knows Duffy's name.

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Disney got it wrong! Duffy IS a money maker.

                                  DuffyDaisuki, you can call me LG all you like. ^_^
                                  You make a point, maybe people who are most likely to spend money on the character are people who know the history.
                                  I've personally always thought of the whole Oswald story to be something rather negative in Disney history so to me, if I was merely basing myself off his origin story, I don't think I'd want much to do with him. While in the Epic Mickey game series, he's actually a rather important character and while the origin story is somewhat touched (Oswald is a bit of a villain at first because he's jealous of Mickey and feels rejected by Disney) he has a more positive and influencial role.
                                  I guess time will tell.

                                  Mmommie, you bring up an excellent point in mentionning how Duffy being a soft Teddy Bear with very round and soft shapes, it makes him extremely approachable by little ones. That in itself is a pretty important thing to consider IMO. He makes for a wonderful embassador to the world of Meets and Greets.

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