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  • milo_vhw
    Member
    • May 2005
    • 280

    Splash Mountain Paris !!!

    On MiceAge there was an article about why there is no version of Splash Mountain in Disneyland Paris. The reason was that the weather wasn't appropriate. Visitors get wet and it's often cold in Europe so they get sick.

    I think that's complete bull. I want a Splash Mountain in Paris!!! There are plenty of Splash Mountain alike water rides in Europe (all Six Flags parks, Walibi's, WB Movie World have one) and they are all very successful. I enjoy them very much and think it will be great to ride such a ride with all the Disney magic.
    There's also plenty of room in the Disneyland Park (Frontierland), so please Karl Holz make us happy!

    Who's with me...
    - Milo
  • Speedway
    Former Epcot CM
    • Jan 2005
    • 4865

    #2
    Originally posted by milo_vhw
    On MiceAge there was an article about why there is no version of Splash Mountain in Disneyland Paris. The reason was that the weather wasn't appropriate. Visitors get wet and it's often cold in Europe so they get sick.

    I think that's complete bull. I want a Splash Mountain in Paris!!! There are plenty of Splash Mountain alike water rides in Europe (all Six Flags parks, Walibi's, WB Movie World have one) and they are all very successful. I enjoy them very much and think it will be great to ride such a ride with all the Disney magic.
    There's also plenty of room in the Disneyland Park (Frontierland), so please Karl Holz make us happy!

    Who's with me...
    Um, actually, it isn't complete bull. I live in the UK, and in an area which is about the equivalent of Disneyland Paris' location weatherwise, and we have two major theme parks near us. Both have water rides, and yes, they are good fun, but it takes quite a while to DRY. Wet guests are miserable guests, wherever you are in the world. When I was at IOA last year, I was irritable for nearly an hour after riding the water ride there (the one with the Canadian Mountie, I always forget his name, Brendan Fraser played the live-action version of him). And that was a very sunny day.

    On nearly all occasions that I have visited Disneyland Paris, the weather has been fantastic. I have only experienced the dreadful Continental weather once or twice, and that soon cleared up. But instead of another replica of a tried-and-tested ride, wouldn't it make more sense for Disneyland Paris to receive a brand new attraction - it would certainly put it above the other parks if it was well done.
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    • TDLFAN
      Banned User
      • Feb 2005
      • 14940

      #3
      Originally posted by milo_vhw
      On MiceAge there was an article about why there is no version of Splash Mountain in Disneyland Paris. The reason was that the weather wasn't appropriate. Visitors get wet and it's often cold in Europe so they get sick. I think that's complete bull. Who's with me...
      That may or may not be bull, however... you guys in Paris will be lucky if you still have a DLRP a few years down the road. Don't hold your breath waiting for Splash to appear at DLP anytime soon. If the TOT ride doesn't turn that place around (doubtful) , I highly believe DLRP will not be in operation much longer afterwards. The money and crowds are simply not there to justify another E-ticket ride.

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      • Evil Minion
        wasting time
        • Jan 2005
        • 1185

        #4
        Weather operating conditions @ Euro Disneyland are about the same as Tokyo Disneyland
        and they have Splash Mountain.

        It can be done. The only thing that's preventing a Splash Mountain from coming to Marne La Vallee is $$$.

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        • TDLFAN
          Banned User
          • Feb 2005
          • 14940

          #5
          Actually no. Weather conditions are not the totally the same. I am yet to see the ice that forms at DLP's waterfalls in the winter occur at TDL. Tokyo does not see the bitter cold (15F or lower) and constant snowing that I have seen at DLP in the wintertime. Paris, on the other hand, does not get as hot and humid as Tokyo does in the summer. I know because I have been to both resorts repeatedly during those seasons and have experienced both ends of the spectrum. Besides, TDL's Splash does have a smaller splash effect in concideration of guests in Japan, who tend to dress a bit better than the US counterparts. The only way a Splash would work at DLP would be to minimize the splash. But it comes down to $$$$. Splash won't come to Paris anytime soon, if ever.

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          • MiceMan
            That's Hawt
            • Jan 2005
            • 7000

            #6
            Can't they adjust the ride so that guests don't get as wet? I know that has been done for other rides ....
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            • WDW1974
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2005
              • 4035

              #7
              Originally posted by TDLFAN
              That may or may not be bull, however... you guys in Paris will be lucky if you still have a DLRP a few years down the road. Don't hold your breath waiting for Splash to appear at DLP anytime soon. If the TOT ride doesn't turn that place around (doubtful) , I highly believe DLRP will not be in operation much longer afterwards. The money and crowds are simply not there to justify another E-ticket ride.
              You and I are usually on the same page, but I've got to disagree (strongly) to your conclusion. DLP isn't going anywhere. It's still the most visited tourist destination in Europe. And the crowds do go to the original park, they built a half-assed studios park and it's biting them in the butt (as it should). But if you think Disney is just going to shut down two theme parks, all those resorts (which are doing quite well now) and the Disney Village area and put a 'for sale' sign up, you're way off.

              They'll restructure (and/or pour money into the place) until the cows come home before they'd ever admit defeat and close the place.

              Just not gonna happen, my friend.

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              • TDLFAN
                Banned User
                • Feb 2005
                • 14940

                #8
                Originally posted by WDW1974
                Just not gonna happen, my friend.
                Allow me to have my dream sequence, please?

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                • soundtracker
                  Rock The World
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 836

                  #9
                  Originally posted by fizzog
                  Soundtracker you cheeky chipmunk

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                  • milo_vhw
                    Member
                    • May 2005
                    • 280

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TDLFAN
                    That may or may not be bull, however... you guys in Paris will be lucky if you still have a DLRP a few years down the road. Don't hold your breath waiting for Splash to appear at DLP anytime soon. If the TOT ride doesn't turn that place around (doubtful) , I highly believe DLRP will not be in operation much longer afterwards. The money and crowds are simply not there to justify another E-ticket ride.
                    So you are saying that Disney will only invest in the Studio's. You are saying that they want DLRP to be profitable, just by buying new rides for the Studio's. I think that's very illogical. The Disneyland Park is still the better Park and will be, if they also improve the park. And that's what they're doing. There will be a Buzz Lightyear ride in Discoveryland soon! It may be cheaper then a Splash Mountain, but you see they're also still investing in the Disneyland Park.
                    And indeed with slight adjustments (smaller splash), Splash Mountain will fit perfectly in the Disneyland Park!
                    - Milo

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                    • tloolgb
                      Internet.Serious Business
                      • May 2005
                      • 4830

                      #11
                      Originally posted by soundtracker
                      The reason it wasn't built was simply because Jay Rasulo (then head of the resort) was given the choice between new rides and a new park. Guess which one he picked?
                      I don't think that is fair. Under Pressler, DLP was told it was time to develope for it's second park. Eisner's goal was 2002-2003 to be the final year in a rapid expansion of all four resorts. Rasulo was given his operating budget under Pressler, who constantly tried to kill things. Muppets, Buzz, all were killed off from the original plans. Aladdin was thrown into the studios by Rasulo to give something for the kids to do.

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                      • Disney Vault
                        Member
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 548

                        #12
                        I read on a site that Disney had to build a second park on that land or else someone else woul dbe allowed to buy it and build something. So Disney decided to build a cheap park just so they could keep the land. Is that true?

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                        • Evil Minion
                          wasting time
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 1185

                          #13
                          I don't know if that's completely true because (to my knowledge) they already owned the land. I was told when The Walt Disney Co. signed the "Creation & Operation Of Euro Disneyland" contract in March of 1987, the contract stated that the Euro Disney Resort have three operating theme parks by 2017. So perhaps that's one of the reasons why the studio park came instead.

                          I doubt the resort will close since it's the top employer of the Paris region of France, but until the original construction debt is paid off and Parc Walt Disney Studios turns a profit, it seems unlikely that any major rides will be coming to Parc Disneyland in the next few years.

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                          • figment1986
                            Banned User
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 8885

                            #14
                            I would love to see a version of the ride in the future... but as said.. they are still in debt from original building... let them get smaller cheaper rides whihc will also attract people like Buzz will do and toon studios will.. then build a new E-ticket ride...

                            (remember.. the half-park needs more childrens rides as well..)

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                            • milo_vhw
                              Member
                              • May 2005
                              • 280

                              #15
                              Studio's is part of a Resort

                              Originally posted by Evil Minion
                              ....but until the original construction debt is paid off and Parc Walt Disney Studios turns a profit, it seems unlikely that any major rides will be coming to Parc Disneyland in the next few years.
                              Just some new rides won't make the Studio's turn a profit. They need more places to just... stay. There are no nice places where you can sit for a while before getting on another ride. There are not many restaurants where you can sit for a while either.
                              When you visit the Resort you also visit the Studio's even though it's small. So more people attracted to the Resort means more visitors for the Studio's as well. And Disney can get more people to the Resort for instance by building a new E-ticket ride like Splash Mountain in the Disneyland Park.
                              - Milo

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                              • fkurucz
                                Member
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 1034

                                #16
                                Originally posted by WDW1974
                                You and I are usually on the same page, but I've got to disagree (strongly) to your conclusion. DLP isn't going anywhere. It's still the most visited tourist destination in Europe. And the crowds do go to the original park, they built a half-assed studios park and it's biting them in the butt (as it should). But if you think Disney is just going to shut down two theme parks, all those resorts (which are doing quite well now) and the Disney Village area and put a 'for sale' sign up, you're way off.

                                They'll restructure (and/or pour money into the place) until the cows come home before they'd ever admit defeat and close the place.

                                Just not gonna happen, my friend.
                                The exit costs would be staggering. They would basically have to write the whole place off if they closed (maybe they could salvage a few things for the other parks). Plus the costs associated with terminating the staff (no pink slips with a few weeks pay like in the US) would be huge.

                                I agree that they will limp along, with minimial future investment. Kind of like DL until recently

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                                • fkurucz
                                  Member
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 1034

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by milo_vhw
                                  Just some new rides won't make the Studio's turn a profit. They need more places to just... stay. There are no nice places where you can sit for a while before getting on another ride. There are not many restaurants where you can sit for a while either.
                                  When you visit the Resort you also visit the Studio's even though it's small. So more people attracted to the Resort means more visitors for the Studio's as well. And Disney can get more people to the Resort for instance by building a new E-ticket ride like Splash Mountain in the Disneyland Park.

                                  Interesting, since these can be added for much, much less than an E-ticket.

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                                  • fkurucz
                                    Member
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 1034

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by soundtracker

                                    3.) Cold weather has been counted on. The Japanese version of the ride has a special breaking system to allow for smaller splashes in cold weather. The same system will be used in Paris. Also, the stretch of water after the splashdown will be under cover, protecting riders from the worst of the elements.
                                    I'm not sure that I would want to get on any water ride that is partially outdoors when the temperature is below freezing. Then again, I can't imagine going to any DL when its that cold.

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                                    • milo_vhw
                                      Member
                                      • May 2005
                                      • 280

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by fkurucz
                                      Interesting, since these can be added for much, much less than an E-ticket.
                                      Very interesting indeed ! But more 'places to just stay' will only keep the visitors longer in the Studio's (so they spend more money ). It won't attract any. But a new E-ticket ride will!
                                      - Milo

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                                      • euro disney stefan
                                        Member
                                        • Jan 2005
                                        • 140

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