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  • pussnboots
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    Originally posted by davewasbaloo View Post
    Agreed. DLP has some of the best table service restaurants in the Disney canon. But they have the worst counter service restaurants. The only counter service I will use at DLP are El Fuente Del Oro, Cowboy Cookout or Casey's Corner. All of them in the studios are bad, and they have ruined the New York Deli. Also the service is sooooo slow, it takes nearly as long as a table service.

    I feel Epcot, DAK and DL offer some great counter experiences, but overall, I try to only do table service in most Disney parks as the quality is astoundingly different.
    Hear hear. I know there's something inherently wrong about advising anyone to go to McDonald's, but if you want a burger at DLP, it's the only sane choice. The table service restaurants however are fine to excellent.

    I've said it before, but... The French know their fine dining, but leave the burgers to the Americans.* Even at DLP.

    *Which reminds me of a popular French fast food chain called "Quick"... Quick, a bucket!

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  • davewasbaloo
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    Originally posted by nbodyhome View Post
    Dave -

    I've done a number of restaurants (including Walts), I don't have too many complaints about sit-downs. It's the counter service that is expensive and iffy.

    I have a restaurant in Paris that I like very much, near the hotel that I prefer to stay at.
    Agreed. DLP has some of the best table service restaurants in the Disney canon. But they have the worst counter service restaurants. The only counter service I will use at DLP are El Fuente Del Oro, Cowboy Cookout or Casey's Corner. All of them in the studios are bad, and they have ruined the New York Deli. Also the service is sooooo slow, it takes nearly as long as a table service.

    I feel Epcot, DAK and DL offer some great counter experiences, but overall, I try to only do table service in most Disney parks as the quality is astoundingly different.

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  • nbodyhome
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    Originally posted by davewasbaloo View Post
    Denise, try Walt's, the Silver Spur, the Steakhouse, the Yacht Club and especially California Grill. These are amongst some of Disney's best culinary offerings and in the case of California Grill, I would say is world class.

    We do sometimes go to McDos, but not in DLP, but at Val d-Europe - normally if the resort is heaving.

    Sadly DLP has dumbed down a number of their best offerings over the years. The Deli in the village used to be great, now it seems like a Euro sandwich shop anywhere on the continent but at 3 times the price.
    Dave -

    I've done a number of restaurants (including Walts), I don't have too many complaints about sit-downs. It's the counter service that is expensive and iffy.

    I have a restaurant in Paris that I like very much, near the hotel that I prefer to stay at.

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  • davewasbaloo
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    Originally posted by nbodyhome View Post
    I am not too impressed with DLRP food.
    Denise, try Walt's, the Silver Spur, the Steakhouse, the Yacht Club and especially California Grill. These are amongst some of Disney's best culinary offerings and in the case of California Grill, I would say is world class.

    We do sometimes go to McDos, but not in DLP, but at Val d-Europe - normally if the resort is heaving.

    Sadly DLP has dumbed down a number of their best offerings over the years. The Deli in the village used to be great, now it seems like a Euro sandwich shop anywhere on the continent but at 3 times the price.

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  • DLRP_bopazot
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    Since 2005 they changed their Burgers Quality and their are quite good now .

    i also go to Mc Donald's but not Disney Village when i go to Disneyland Paris because this one has no Fried Potatoes and this one is overated . That one at Val d'Europe is quite better and cheaper and you can also take a look at the Shopping Gallery or Shop at Auchan the French Grocery Store .

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  • nbodyhome
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    Originally posted by Olympicnut View Post
    I don't know if this was strictly a DLParis thing or if it happens in other place in France, but when we ordered our lunch combo at the Pinocchio restaurant , it comes with dessert and no drink. So you get a burger, fries and a dessert (mine was a lemon tart). It was wacky! But it was cool.
    No, that isn't normal in Paris (not from my experience). I prefer McDonalds when I stop at DLP, or the Relay store for a few items. I am not too impressed with DLRP food.

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  • Olivier
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    Originally posted by Roo719 View Post

    But is it in the DLRP? I wouldn't suspect so. But while we're here, I figured I'd ask.

    Peace,
    Roo
    I'd say that :
    - Counter service restaurants quality is lower than at Mc Donnald's.
    - Buffets are OK.
    - Full service restaurants can be good (Walt's) to very good (California Grill). But you can find better and cheaper restaurants 30 km away in Paris.

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  • RooBear
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    Originally posted by Olivier View Post
    Very interesting post Olympicnut. )
    Regarding the language barrier, I'd recommend any foreign visitor to France to learn at least 4-5 words in french, to say Hello, please, thank you... well, the basics.

    Asking something in your own language first can be seen as utterly rude. Just ask: "Bonjour, parlez vous anglais ?", and you'll have no problem.

    Another hint : In a french restaurant, when you see free seats, never ever take place without asking the waiter first. And as Olympicnut said before, food is taken very seriously here. In our culture, food is at same level as any other fine art, like painting, sculture, dance, music...
    We have tons of Mc Donald restaurants though. )
    My family met over decent bread. My side is ethnic (as enumberated repeatedly on these boards, I'm sure) and my partner's side owned a bakery. But because of this (I like to think), food has been the reason why both sides of our family has gotten along. Even in the states, when my family travels, they have been known to drive miles out of the way for a decent meal (sometimes to the brink of homicide, "ah Ma, the front desk is going to close in an hour and it's a two hour drive from here--" for example). And when I hear these statements, I'm ready so ready to go. I believe the food makes the place.

    And yes, I'm fully aware the food in Disney Parks is, well, 'iffy' stateside.

    But is it in the DLRP? I wouldn't suspect so. But while we're here, I figured I'd ask.

    Peace,
    Roo

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  • Olivier
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    Very interesting post Olympicnut. )
    Regarding the language barrier, I'd recommend any foreign visitor to France to learn at least 4-5 words in french, to say Hello, please, thank you... well, the basics.

    Asking something in your own language first can be seen as utterly rude. Just ask: "Bonjour, parlez vous anglais ?", and you'll have no problem.

    Another hint : In a french restaurant, when you see free seats, never ever take place without asking the waiter first. And as Olympicnut said before, food is taken very seriously here. In our culture, food is at same level as any other fine art, like painting, sculture, dance, music...
    We have tons of Mc Donald restaurants though. )
    Last edited by Olivier; 10-17-2007, 07:02 AM.

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  • RooBear
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    A coupla notes:

    --ONut, you sold me. I'm going. To sit, in a restaurant with career waiters? I'm moving to France.

    --Italy? A shot and pastry and then leave? That works too. Coffee is my lifeblood. Thanks SusieP.

    --Adelade/Froggie-when you see the "Ugly Americans," (not exactly PC, I am aware, but for lack of a better term at this hour of the morning) should a person intervene? You know, step in and, well, maybe not interpret, but, at least, say something, um, I dunno.

    I guess, for me, I journey, daily, to another culture. I work in a Deaf school, which has enough minor social mores and denotations that I actually have to sometimes remind myself I'm NOT talking to Deaf people. I think that helps when I encounter those not in a given culture.

    Great discussion, btw, perfect for this forum!

    Peace,
    Roo

    MORE, MORE, MORE!
    Last edited by RooBear; 10-17-2007, 07:13 AM.

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  • Adelade
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    The french love you if you speak french (even bad french), I went last summer with some classmates from my french class. I had had 3 years of french and taught french, but my french is still nowhere near great, but we were treated wonderfully because we tried really hard to speak their language.
    When we were at le tour eiffel the man running the elevator was talking to us, saying how well we spoke and how great it was that we were american speaking french. I dont think anyone was ever rude to us. And ocasionally we would see people being "dumb americans" who didnt know a lick of french and were being stubborn about it and we realized thats why the french dont like most americans.

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  • RobotMirror
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    This was me in 1995. I had just passed the bar and wanted to visit Europe on my own for the first time - so I picked London and Paris - and I travelled to Paris via the newly opened chunnel train. I was in the train station getting ready to go to France having a panic attack - "wait, I don't speak the language!", and "what if they are rude!".

    So I bought a pocket Berlitz book and read it on the train over there. Just making the effort, with my bad accent and poor grammar, made all the difference in the world. People couldn't be nicer, and I had heard some horror stories. And I felt all cosmopolitan and stuff speaking bad French.

    I had some of the best food and some of the best times that trip by myself. What really said it all was when I went into a pharmacy store and the lady in front of me in line, an American, said really loud, "DO YOU HAVE ANY TANNING CREAM?". The man pretended not to understand any English.

    I got up there, took a deep breath, and said in broken French, do you have razors? The pharmacist immediately broke into almost perfect English, came out from behind the counter, and showed me the six brands of razors they had.

    They make the effort if you make the effort, and France is worth it -- it's a beautiful country. (As Lance Armstrong said - "France is my second favorite country - after Texas".)

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  • Olympicnut
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    Well I'm not sure! I know with regular restaurants you don't pay more. I don't remember paying extra because we sat at the cafe outside. I'm going to go with no, you aren't renting the table.

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  • SusieP.
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    Originally posted by Olympicnut View Post
    Remember, when you get a table at a restaurant in France, you have that table until you leave. I mean you have that here to some extent, but the staff there doesn't make you feel like you have to get out as soon as you are done eating. Your bill is brought to you ONLY when you ask for it.
    I have a question, pick me! Okay, so if you sit at a table, do you pay more for your food? In Italy, if you want to sit at a cafe, it costs more, but you are basically renting the table. Otherwise you walk up to the counter, down your espresso and leave with your pastry. There's no walking around with a coffee cup like we do here.

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  • Olympicnut
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    YES! You have to go to a cafe. Just pick one, sit outside, order a drink and sit. Relax, People watch. We did that one afternoon for about 2 hours, it was awesome!

    Remember, when you get a table at a restaurant in France, you have that table until you leave. I mean you have that here to some extent, but the staff there doesn't make you feel like you have to get out as soon as you are done eating. Your bill is brought to you ONLY when you ask for it. And because wait staff usually have that position as a career, they are more than likely going to know exactly what they are doing, as opposed to the guy here who works at Chilis after school until he becomes a real estate broker. The French take their dining very seriously.

    Also, get a crepe from a street vendor. SO GOOD!!

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  • RooBear
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    I probably should have pointed out...yeah, we're going to do Paris for a few days with D-land tagged onto the end of it, as if a finale. I didn't study French to not see the City of Lights.

    I already know a day at the Louvre (Tigs is an artist/photographer), Tour Effiel, cafes, Varseilles (sic), boulangeries, Pere Lachaise, pataissaires, Ile de la Citie et Notre Dame, restaurant and, yes, more eating.

    Sorry, raised by New Yorkers and the ethnic food is second nature. I can read menus in, like, a gazillion languages. I'm ready to eat.

    Peace,
    Roo

    PS: Any place that has a dessert as part of the combo is probably going to be high up on my list, for some reason. Tell us more!

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  • alphabassetgrrl
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    I would *love* to go to France. I don't remember much of my high-school French, but with a trip like that waiting, I'd brush up real quick. I'm working on reading the French newspapers online, because I'd like to have more vocabulary than I do, but time has been short lately.

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  • Olympicnut
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    I don't know if this was strictly a DLParis thing or if it happens in other place in France, but when we ordered our lunch combo at the Pinocchio restaurant , it comes with dessert and no drink. So you get a burger, fries and a dessert (mine was a lemon tart). It was wacky! But it was cool.

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  • Olympicnut
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    It is fun to go to places like McD's, and KFC and such overseas (although I didn't in France, I did in the UK), just to see how different, or the same they are. DLP is the same for me too. And it is a fun place to go.

    Now I know this is MiceChat and all, and we're all fans of Disney. But IMHO, one, MAYBE two days at the DLP is sufficient, especially if you've never been to France. There's so much more to see and do than to spend all your time in Disneyland. It's worth it to go to, just see the real France too.

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  • RooBear
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    I've yet to go to France, but it is truly on the docent for 2010 for my 40th. I do speak some French and, quite recently, at the French Pavilion (on my birthday, too), word got around to all the wait staff. They came and spoke to me in French and were proud that I was taking the time to speak to them. They mentioned very few Americans in the States use their foreign language skills.

    I was sorta like, "well, why would they?" But I believe they were saying that Americans tend towards English--nothing profound or bad.

    Through the French I've known and colleagues, I've never known them to be the stereotypes we've been fed or the villains our government, for a time, wished them to be.

    I look forward to visiting Paris and, yes, Disneyland there. Many friends tease me, wanting to know why I would want to see something so USA overseas--but Disney is international, I believe, and having that moment to contrast (like one would do going to something also 'Western' like McDonald's) is as imperative as seeing the Louvre.

    Tell us more about France, mon ami! J'ai voudrais tous ecoute! (I'd like to hear more, I believe I said, maybe?)

    Peace,
    Le Roo

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