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  • #21
    Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

    Originally posted by goatdan View Post
    Spoiler
    The movie made it seem like the Earth evacuation did take everyone -- at one point when Wall-E and Eve are in the shopping market store, if you look at the signage it says things like, "Everything Must Go!" and "Evacuation Sale!", theoretically because they must sell everything before the last of the humans leave Earth.


    As for Wall-E in the parks, the People Mover could be used sort of how it was in the movie, but the chairs would still need to be attached to it. I do like that idea however, and the ride could be about what happened after the humans returned home, which wouldn't be so thought provoking that people wouldn't go and buy the Wall-E toys in the park afterwards.

    Outside of DL, Wall-E could fit in many different places in Epcot -- the Land and the Universe of Energy both could use some freshening up, and including Wall-E helping to either "replant Earth" or find "new Energy" would be good ways to show people how things that we are doing today could lead to better solutions for the future. Again, not giving guests the message that they shouldn't buy those Wall-E toys, since he's helping after all
    oh no but the wall-e peoplemovers were open we would have to enclose them to keep people from leaping out, then we would have to put in a/c so that they would not die of heat stroke, then guess what, that would be all too expensive and it would never get built, ... (or just take so many years that no one would even remember wall-e by then! lol

    just look at the monorail fiasco for proof!

    "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

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    "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
    — Walt Disney

    "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

    "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

    "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

    "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

    "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

    "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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    • #22
      Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

      Originally posted by Grandicorney View Post
      It's PEOPLE!, Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!! Turns out it's yummy and more fattening than a Monte Cristo though.
      In the words of Homer Simpson "Mmmmmm Soylent Green". and they were telling people it was mad of plankton! I have to watch Soylent Green again one of these days, it was probably one of the most disturbing, depressing sci-fi movies ever made.

      Originally posted by GothicManor View Post
      I have been thinking Disney missed an opportunity here with Wall-e

      Yes you have to offer products and make some money but the products could have been:

      1. more educational about the environment
      2. More environmentally sound
      3. not made and shipped 1,000s of miles from china
      4. Packaged in recycled biodegradable packaging using less packaging maybe corrugated brown cardboard to hit home that its different?
      5. include little picture storybooks about the film but with a message that it was too late for the people of wall-e's world but it may not be too late for us and have a little wall-e show how your family can do things like wast less electricity, change to cfl bulbs, recycle, only buy what you need, buy local food, etc etc,
      6. include a coupon on the packages from a major maker of cfl bulbs for a free bulb or $1 a cfl bulb
      In regards to #2 and #4, Hasbro gets points for this for their Indiana Jones vehicles. They didn't use any plastic for the packaging, it's all cardboard. Further more, the box is reusable and can be turned into a diorama for the toy.

      That's one of the things that bugs me about toys these days is the amount of plastic in the packaging. Compare the original Transformers toys with the present Transformers. The old ones mostly came in cardboard boxes, the present ones are mostly wrapped in plastic.

      Even the occasional DVD or CD comes in a cardboard cover. Evan Almighty is an example as well as An Inconvenient Truth.

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      • #23
        Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

        Originally posted by Barbossa View Post
        In the words of Homer Simpson "Mmmmmm Soylent Green". and they were telling people it was mad of plankton! I have to watch Soylent Green again one of these days, it was probably one of the most disturbing, depressing sci-fi movies ever made.



        In regards to #2 and #4, Hasbro gets points for this for their Indiana Jones vehicles. They didn't use any plastic for the packaging, it's all cardboard. Further more, the box is reusable and can be turned into a diorama for the toy.

        That's one of the things that bugs me about toys these days is the amount of plastic in the packaging. Compare the original Transformers toys with the present Transformers. The old ones mostly came in cardboard boxes, the present ones are mostly wrapped in plastic.

        Even the occasional DVD or CD comes in a cardboard cover. Evan Almighty is an example as well as An Inconvenient Truth.
        Speaking of soylent green I think we can assume that in the future earth of Wall-E near the end that life on earth was alot like what was depicted in that film!

        "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

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        "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
        — Walt Disney

        "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

        "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

        "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

        "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

        "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

        "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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        • #24
          Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

          If you want to see the future see Wall-E

          Wall-E is a Story about a Post Apocalyptic future told in classic sci fi cautionary style wrapped in a sweet love story between two Artificial Intelligent robots.

          The few (thousands) remaining humans are ineffectual oblivious immobile blobs catered to by automated systems.

          The problems of overpopulation and depletion of resources is something I am always curious about, I already knew quite a bit about it but seeing Wall-E inspired me to look at the actual hard core facts on the subject and I found that the film has it nailed.

          Based on the current Earths carrying capacity (amount of humans the earth resources can support) and that this carrying capacity is finite and is decreasing over time, this decreases even more with climate change.

          Add the latest facts on population growth and the percentage of resources humans consume which is on the rise exponentially (mostly due to us using China as cheap labor to produce less expensive products resulting in their lifestyle improving and therefore consuming more resources).

          Based on the best scientific facts this is what I found:



          1. The human population increase combined with increased consumption of resources will reach the peak capacity of the earth to support us around 2030 - 2035.

          Interestingly given the average age of the children taken to see pixar films they will reach middle age by this time....

          2. This will result in massive loss of human life and even faster depletion of resources till in 2100 we will see a world just like depicted in the film.

          Sobering, yes. Is there anything we can do about it? Not really , no... even if we somehow got the whole world to drastically reduce reproduction AND to live as "Green" a lifestyle as possible it wouldnt stop it maybe slow it a bit but then what are the odds we could get any portion of the worlds population to do any of these things? Slim to none based on history...

          The only thing that might save the situation is some not as yet developed nanotechnology capable of re-arranging matter but even then eventually run away overpopulation will catch up anyway...

          If you want to see the future see Wall-E

          "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

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          "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
          — Walt Disney

          "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

          "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

          "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

          "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

          "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

          "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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          • #25
            Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

            Is it just me or is Pixar mad at Disney co??

            Buy n Large seems a little like Disney in some ways.... hmm

            and the humans depicted seem a little like the stereotypical Disney fans... hmmm

            I love this quote:

            "We have a pool?" lol ;-)

            "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

            sigpic

            "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
            — Walt Disney

            "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

            "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

            "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

            "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

            "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

            "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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            • #26
              Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

              Originally posted by GothicManor View Post
              and the humans depicted seem a little like the stereotypical Disney fans... hmmm
              Oh no you didn't!

              )

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              • #27
                Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                Originally posted by Barbossa View Post
                Well here's my WALL-E Chinese-produced consumerism I got today:


                I'm guessing these are available at the parks and not just at the Toys R Us?

                Me too....available in Disney stores in the U K. Loads of stuff on Amazon too.

                Now I'll turn that little mouse's dream into a nightmare Fantasmic !


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                • #28
                  Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                  I did not get the impression there was only one "cruise ship" Axiom style out there. I think the story just focused on one ship. Who knows. It was also quite white as well. Not a heck of a lot of diversity up there in space. Says a lot about privilege and who made it off earth alive.

                  I was nearly in tears the first half hour of the film. Such a great movie, with a great message. Though I did hear some over the top groans around me. Groans that sounded like "come on....this can't be true.." Sigh.

                  Although I am not a big fan of tie-in movie rides.... I do think this movie could be used to promote an interesting ride for Tomorrowland....a tomorrow that is hopeful. Back in the 50-60's, there was a sense of hope about the future. It is hard to find nice happy views of the future now. "Meet the Robinsons" is an exception. As mentioned before, this would also be a very nice fit at EPCOT. I just like the idea of something more realistic/educational being brought to Tomorrowland...via message etc. The new House of the Future seems all about gadgets....I want something beyond that.

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                  • #29
                    Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                    I really don't want to see a Wall-E ride. I love the movie, I love the message, but if I saw or heard about plans for a Wall-E ride, I would be very upset.

                    I think whoever designed the toys really should have seen the movie first, then maybe the packaging wouldn't be non-biodegradable plastic. I think it would be cuter to have it a cardboard box and make it look very industrial, like that he was all new in the packaging and everything.

                    I was under the impression that the Axiom was most of the population. I think to sit and think about the logic of it would lead to darker conclusions than are needed, such as leaving people behind (though there are those who probably wouldn't go--look at the real Buynlarge.com website, there is a "news article" about anticonsumerists.) The food was probably all overly processed junk that could be made in a lab. After all, it was all "in a cup" and most likely had no nutritional value of any kind....Ahh now I'm overthinking it. If the Axiom wasn't the only ship, it was the main one, I'd say.
                    dreams. come. true.

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                    • #30
                      Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                      I'd love to go buy some Wall-E crap but I don't think I could in good conscious.

                      I think it's ironic that Disney would distribute this film considering Disney is one of the biggest causes of consumerism in the world. Also, while watching the film I kept wondering how many people that see it will completely miss the point and run to their nearest Wal-Mart to buy the newest Wall-E toys. There really shouldn't have been any merchandise made to tie into the film unless it is educational.

                      The biggest problem is overpackaging though. Check out this short documentary on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5LOH...eature=related

                      Sorry if I'm off-topic.

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                      • #31
                        Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                        LOL the Buy n Large website is great!

                        And oh how so so true......so true its scary

                        http://buynlarge.com/

                        "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

                        sigpic

                        "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
                        — Walt Disney

                        "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

                        "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

                        "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

                        "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

                        "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

                        "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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                        • #32
                          Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                          I just saw a shamelessly and deliberately misleading trailer on TV for Wall-E.

                          It ONLY showed the cutsey robot slapstick antic scenes ONLY and all to a very up beat pop song THAT WAS NOT IN THE MOVIE and completely bogus to give the impression that the film was just another Pixar / Disney summer family romp of frivolous fun....

                          Shame on Disney .....

                          I wonder how many parents will take their kids to see this thinking it as they are advertising it only to be shocked at what it is really about??!!

                          "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

                          sigpic

                          "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
                          — Walt Disney

                          "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

                          "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

                          "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

                          "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

                          "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

                          "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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                          • #33
                            Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                            I found some more background on the film's story by playing the PSP version, which is excellent) of the game (I also have played the PS3 version which is different and no where near as good and does not have any elaboration on the story).

                            In the animations on the PSP game we see Wall-E back 700 yrs earlier than in the film around 2115 when the humans who can leave are leaving. All the other Wall-E's are still working, right away they show that he is a little different, noticing cockroach's that the other bots ignore, clearly for some reason from the start he was different all the other bots just follow their programming.

                            You hear coming from holographic ads a spiel about "BnL Starships leaving now, enjoy a space cruise and we will clean up the mess while your away..." or something to that effect. So there were more than one Axiom like starship, but again for only a select few to get off the earth.

                            As it turns out it is the dustbowl sandstorms that are wiping out the Wall-E bots. When the storms come they scurry frantically to get into the big metal container that we later see Wall-E living in, those rotating racks inside are for the Wall-E bots to store themselves in in cube form during the night as they are solar powered and during sandstorms... One can assume that BnL programmers didnt figure in the sandstorms.

                            The story then jumps 700 yrs later, so we learm that Wall-E was an original bot and is 700 yrs old! This could explain his developing personality. All the other Wall-E bots secumbed to the sandstorms, accidents and time. He apparently either survived because he was just the lucky one that was the last, one had to be the last one after all, but it would seem his unique personality aided in his survival. He cannibalizes his comrades for spare parts for himself.

                            I think this explains why he befriends the cockroach its because he is all alone and with all the other Wall-E bots gone he wanted company, I believe this also explains why he collects stuff and stores it in his container home, in the process of salvaging the other Wall-E bots for parts and storing them on the old platforms that they used to "sleep" mode on he began collecting other things that appealed to him to put on those platforms that are now empty of his companions to sort of fill his now empty home with things he enjoyed instead of having to be reminded that all the shelves are now empty that his other Wall-E buddies used to occupy...

                            that is as far as I have got in the game I am hoping there will be alot more insight into the humans and their fate as I get thru the game more....

                            Play the PSP Wall-E game (you can rent the games so as not to contribute to consumerism :-) it is like an extension of the film and tells the story more in depth...

                            "This would be a great place if we could only get rid of all these people." - Walt Disney

                            sigpic

                            "Whenever I go on a ride, I'm always thinking of what's wrong with the thing and how it can be improved."
                            — Walt Disney

                            "I wanted to retain my individuality. I knew if someone else got control, I would be restrained." —Walt Disney

                            "The fun is in always building something. You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors." —Walt Disney

                            "I've always been bored with just making money. I've wanted to do things; I wanted to build things, to get something going..." —Walt Disney

                            "I can never stand still. I must explore and experiment. I am never satisfied with my work. I resent the limitations of my own imagination." —Walt Disney

                            "Get a good idea and stay with it. Work it until it's done and done right." —Walt Disney

                            "Freedom of speech in all forms and in its broadest sense — has become vital to the very survival of a civilized humanity." —Walt Disney



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                            • #34
                              Re: Wall-e consumerism at the parks? And Possible ride tie ins?

                              Originally posted by GothicManor View Post
                              Play the PSP Wall-E game (you can rent the games so as not to contribute to consumerism :-) it is like an extension of the film and tells the story more in depth...

                              Thanks for promoting the theme of the movie. Also, thanks for the information. That was interesting and nice to have a little back story.

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