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  • [Question] What is the DCA remodel missing?

    Although all the ideas for DCA are great. What do you think is not present in DCA?

    My 2 major concerns are the lack of presence of California Missions and Chinatown.

    granted both Spanish and Asian culture will be represented by food in the Pacific Wharf... there is no actual representation of the architecture.
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    Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

    I'm going to be brutally honest here. People go to Disney theme parks to see magic and pixie dust. They want to see characters and cartoons. They don't want to see missions and chinatown.

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      Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

      But DCA is supposed to be a full flavor of California... leaving 2 big things that are part of CA out is like meat without seasoning - the taste is off and you know something is missing.
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        Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

        Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
        I'm going to be brutally honest here. People go to Disney theme parks to see magic and pixie dust. They want to see characters and cartoons. They don't want to see missions and chinatown.

        They WOULD want to see Missions and a Chinatown if it had the Disney quality magic and pixie dust that has been very absent throughout DCA's history.

        I'm not pushing for those two ideas per se, but there is something REAL that is missing from the remodel. A good attraction based on something real that also has a story and a sense of fantasy. Something like Pirates or Haunted Mansion, Matterhorn or Big Thunder, Jungle Cruise or something else entirely.


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          Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

          Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
          I'm going to be brutally honest here. People go to Disney theme parks to see magic and pixie dust. They want to see characters and cartoons. They don't want to see missions and chinatown.
          People don't go anywhere for characters and cartoons, not at a meaningful level, anyway. They go for escapism. Sometimes that takes the form of cartoons and characters, oftentimes it doesn't. They're part of the formula for selling a product. They appeal to a select demographic. The highly themed lands that never were appeal to another demographic, and perhaps the more important demographic. If Disney continues to take your attitude, using the themeparks as a venue for selling television and movie characters, they'll be alienating the demographics that drive their success.

          If missions and chinatowns are constructed to be far more than real, they'll sell just as well as cartoons and characters.

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            Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

            Coheteboy, I think that was the initial idea for Golden Dreams... as it was the only real story about California, and wasnt very abtract and satirical.
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              Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

              You are implying that
              a) DCA is supposed to be an exhaustive representation of California.
              b) That DCA would be better as an exhaustive representation of California.

              I don't think either of these things is really true. I think what DCA needs is well conceived, well-executed lands that transport the guest to another time/place: just like Disneyland. Whether these lands are about missions or talking cars from Arizona is really not that important in the long run, IMO.

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                Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                Originally posted by MrLiver View Post
                I'm going to be brutally honest here. People go to Disney theme parks to see magic and pixie dust. They want to see characters and cartoons. They don't want to see missions and chinatown.
                I'm going to brutally agree.

                But don't take L&W's word for it, folks -- put it to the test:
                Of the following three destination concepts, which one doesn't fit with the other two?

                A. Missions
                B. Chinatown
                C. Immersion in the Timeless Fantasy of a Disney Theme Park
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                  Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                  DCA needs more Pixar characters. I'm not satisfied until all ten Pixar films are represented with its own land.

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                    Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                    why does it seem that people have lost the point of the park being about California? Because to me having California in its name means thats what its about. So, that being said... with people saying that Chinatown and Missions don't matter, are they saying that those things are not intrical parts of California and should just be removed?

                    DCA has representations of so many locals, and even the Pixar based lands still have a connection to something of California... but eateries are not comparable to the cultures dictated by the architecture of Chinatown and the California Missions. They are major parts of the make-up of California and should not be completely ignored in a park that centers its themeing on the state.
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                      Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                      Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                      I'm going to brutally agree.

                      But don't take L&W's word for it, folks -- put it to the test:
                      Of the following three destination concepts, which one doesn't fit with the other two?

                      A. Missions
                      B. Chinatown
                      C. Immersion in the Timeless Fantasy of a Disney Theme Park
                      Of the following three concepts, which one doesn't fit with the other two?

                      A. Galleons
                      B. Fishing Villages
                      C. Immersion in the Timeless Fantasy of a Disney Theme Park

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                        Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                        It is missing a proper solution to the pier area. The Pier is just not up to Disney standards how ever the paint it. All those open rides are not inspiring at all. It lacks imagination. The entire theme of the park is bad idea from start as many have mentioned before.

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                          Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                          Originally posted by Alpoe001 View Post
                          why does it seem that people have lost the point of the park being about California? Because to me having California in its name means thats what its about.
                          Is DCA California themed? Or does/will it represent the attitudes that the state represents? If it's the latter, which it would certainly seem with the addition of a 'cars' land- the notion of the open road, 'freedom'- then the park doesn't need to represent every aspect of the state, though chinatown and missions are certainly a huge part of the state's mystique. But that's just it. The state has a mystique that needs to be exploited. A mission can be a jumping off point for any number of attractions, just as New Oreleans Square manages to serve as the embarkation point for radically different expereriences. The same can be said of Chinatowns. They represent the hard reality of immigration, but more importantly diversity and perserverence to forge a new life in an idealistic setting. That too, can be exploited. Both, certainly to as great or great degree than Hollywood or a seaside amusement park.

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                            Originally posted by Theophilus Carter View Post
                            Is DCA California themed? Or does/will it represent the attitudes that the state represents? If it's the latter, which it would certainly seem with the addition of a 'cars' land- the notion of the open road, 'freedom'- then the park doesn't need to represent every aspect of the state, though chinatown and missions are certainly a huge part of the state's mystique. But that's just it. The state has a mystique that needs to be exploited. A mission can be a jumping off point for any number of attractions, just as New Oreleans Square manages to serve as the embarkation point for radically different expereriences. The same can be said of Chinatowns. They represent the hard reality of immigration, but more importantly diversity and perserverence to forge a new life in an idealistic setting. That too, can be exploited. Both, certainly to as great or great degree than Hollywood or a seaside amusement park.
                            I agree, I think the OP is right, I've always felt that those would be two perfect environments for DCA and I agree with the above post that they could be amazing jumping off points for magical adventures that explore the spirit of the state. The other two things I would have liked to see added are a Barbary Coast SF area along with the China Town and more gold rush influence in the Grizzly area.
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                              Re: What is the DCA remodel missing?

                              Originally posted by Theophilus Carter View Post
                              Is DCA California themed? Or does/will it represent the attitudes that the state represents? If it's the latter, which it would certainly seem with the addition of a 'cars' land- the notion of the open road, 'freedom'- then the park doesn't need to represent every aspect of the state, though chinatown and missions are certainly a huge part of the state's mystique. But that's just it. The state has a mystique that needs to be exploited. A mission can be a jumping off point for any number of attractions, just as New Oreleans Square manages to serve as the embarkation point for radically different expereriences. The same can be said of Chinatowns. They represent the hard reality of immigration, but more importantly diversity and perserverence to forge a new life in an idealistic setting. That too, can be exploited. Both, certainly to as great or great degree than Hollywood or a seaside amusement park.

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