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  • #21
    Originally posted by Darthokeefe
    Why would you object to the nemo redo....peter pan is based on a cartoon and that is still popular. I think Nemo , Marlin and Dory will be around a long time
    If they rename tomorrowland Pixarland, then it fits. If does not fit the theme of Tomorrowland, but then neither does Buzz, really.

    I suggest an Incredibles overlay for Space Mountain, and a Cars overlay for Autopia, convert Star Tours to a motion ride based on Toy Story, make the astro orbiter a bunch of bugs, and turn HISTA into some sort of pixar character menagere, kind of like muppets 3D...

    Well, not really. but it would be consistant

    Regardless, I welcome the return of the subs and look forward to 2007!
    Last edited by Whatever; 02-22-2005, 11:38 AM.

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    • #22
      I have to agree with the NO NEMO! asessment. I mean, it's a good movie and everything, but hardly....well, "immersive". I'm sure it would appeal to the kiddies, but let's face it - there's nothing interesting, science fiction-y or fantastical about the environment that the characters from that movie inhabit (aside from having talking fish). It's all character driven. Aside from that, there's no adventure theme. Somehow an AA dentist and his niece really aren't all that frightening when you're in a steel warmachine.

      As dissapointing as Disney's Atlantis was, I think it would be a much more potent concept for the overlay, as well as having direct links to the old attraction. The film had some fantastic visuals with its combination of advanced ancient technology and handcrafted living sculptures. The movie might have not been up to snuff, but I would sure like to visit some of the environments in it. They could even redo the subs to have those big glass bubble ports to give an even better view when that mechanical Leviathan thing attacks.

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      • #23
        I can't wait to see what they come up with for the planned "wet for dry" effect - Additionally, the testing that was taking place last year apparently was for a big finale scene using exploding mines (as in the movie).

        The "Nemo" theme is really a clever marketing side line from what I hear. The tie in with Tomorrowland is to promote safe awareness & the ecology of the sea. Initially, the tour would be to still take people for a journey through liquid space so to speak. The Nemo Characters don't get involved until about half way through the ride (or so I have heard). I believe they will be able to help provide more of an "Adventure" story line to a ride that is otherwise on par with Mark Twain or the Train.

        I am quietly confident this ride is going to be DL's next "E" or at least I'm holding my breath. It's been a long time between drinks
        I'm just a bit more than Just Really Nice!

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        • #24
          It still amazes me with pretty much every Pixar movie having an attraction, or land that they are just letting Pixar go.

          I mean, think about it:

          Toy Story 1 & 2 (Buzz Lightyear now in 3 parks)
          Bugs Live (A Bugs Land, Tough to be a Bug)
          Monsters Inc (Monsters Inc ride in DCA)
          Finding Nemo (Subs)

          Think about the possibilities for the Incredibles, and Cars (Autopia layover).

          I still cannot fathom the insanity!!!

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          • #25
            Originally posted by imagineer boy
            Well, I hope they do it right, but please NO NEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Maybe they'll have the original ending on the ride where Nemo goes belly up and gives all the other fish ick.

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            • #26
              What says that the ride is going to go with the storyline of the movie? I have faith in the people at WDI still...why? I dont know...but I do. At what's so bad if it does go with it? You can start with the "kids" at school and have Nemo swim out and get picked up by the boat then have Marlin in different scenes with Dory. And give the ride an original ending (im not sure how you'd incorporate an underwater dentist's office...)

              ...i unno, those are just my crazy ramblings

              woah, listening to the beatles and i just heard "Coo coo kachoo"
              what if they added a walrus...
              You would think that being in New York for eight months out of the year would be cool...not when the closest thing you have to Disneyland is the World of Disney Store on Madison.

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              • #27
                Pehaps WDI and TDA gave it the Nemo theme to appease Eisner, convincing him that it'll be a success. BUT, they know that the Subs won't be done till '07, and with Eisner on his way out next year ('06) they have a chance to scratch the Nemo theme and return it to a futuristic theme. Nonetheless the Subs are being financied, and WDI is working with them. Just remember, not everyone in Disney is a short-term thinker...others might be thinking past 2006. :devil: Just a hypotheisis.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by CA_man_stuck_in_VA
                  Pehaps WDI and TDA gave it the Nemo theme to appease Eisner, convincing him that it'll be a success. BUT, they know that the Subs won't be done till '07, and with Eisner on his way out next year ('06) they have a chance to scratch the Nemo theme and return it to a futuristic theme. Nonetheless the Subs are being financied, and WDI is working with them. Just remember, not everyone in Disney is a short-term thinker...others might be thinking past 2006. :devil: Just a hypotheisis.
                  That's my hope too... sort of like a movie set, where they will eventually fi;m the star, but to get the lighting and camera placement correct, they use a stand-in. Hopefully, Nemo was just the stand-in to show what kinds of effects could be created, and now that the technical issues have been sufficiently sorted out and the money secured, the real show can replace Nemo.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by ModHatter
                    That's my hope too... sort of like a movie set, where they will eventually fi;m the star, but to get the lighting and camera placement correct, they use a stand-in. Hopefully, Nemo was just the stand-in to show what kinds of effects could be created, and now that the technical issues have been sufficiently sorted out and the money secured, the real show can replace Nemo.
                    I hope that is correct. But that is highly doubtful since we have a bunch of bean counters running the company instead of people with imagination.

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                    • #30
                      While I appreciate the thought of people trying to preserve the idea of Tomorrowland, can anyone please tell me how the original attraction was any more futuristic?

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                      • #31
                        I honestly do not think it gave anybody the idea of it being a future based ride ever, it was more like an adventure that even nowadays is expensive as a ride (private submarine tours) and that has always been a road of exploration of our planet that is the last frontier.
                        The concept of a ride in a submarine is good immersion (pun intended) plus it has a historical anchor to one of Disney's more cinematic achievements 20K Leagues Under the Sea released oh so many years ago.

                        Immersion into space rides may be in the future, matter of fact I have recently read Red Mars and just now starting on Green Mars and will finish the trilogy of Blue Mars. These are mass paperback scifi bestsellers that cronicle the terraforming, colonization, and the future of Mars as it evolves while Earth becomes uninhabitable because of our drain upon natural resources and the effects civilation has had upon the climate, the aftereffects of massive global warming and such.


                        Which kinda makes me more interested in the dramatic weather changes happening across the US, tornadoes in CA, arctic weather in the plains, a drier Seattle and last but not least the extreme rise in temperature where I live up here in Alaska. its becoming more moderate in our winters, no more of the -50 and -65 winters, the coldest has been a few days around -15 to -20 plus we are getting more rain and the summers are actually getting well over 85 degrees!

                        What does all of this have to do with submarines? If the worlds oceans rise, which they are...and we cannot easily migrate off planet en mass then the logical step would be to construct floating cities and underwater harvesting, mining and research centers. The earth may never become a "Waterworld" but with 85% of the population living along the low area coasts it inevitable that either we retreat to high ground or adapt.

                        So 50 years down the road, Disneyland is celebrating its 100th anniversary, would a submarine ride about fish and turtles be popular as it was now? And if DL is still above water would a ride or show being more suggestive of a future where sub travel is as common as commuting from one undersea habitat to another? When the atmosphere becomes unbreathable or the ozone layer has broken down to the point that being exposed on the surface is fatally dangerous then where to?

                        There is another diection the imagineers can take, similar to the SeaQuest idea. Or the ride can stay in history like an Atlantis theme, or fantasy like in Nemo, but however the Subs are more in TL so its suggestive of playing upon a futurity based theme, logically you would think.... :confused:
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Mr D
                          These are mass paperback scifi bestsellers that cronicle the terraforming, colonization, and the future of Mars as it evolves while Earth becomes uninhabitable because of our drain upon natural resources and the effects civilation has had upon the climate, the aftereffects of massive global warming and such.


                          Which kinda makes me more interested in the dramatic weather changes happening across the US, tornadoes in CA, arctic weather in the plains, a drier Seattle and last but not least the extreme rise in temperature where I live up here in Alaska. its becoming more moderate in our winters, no more of the -50 and -65 winters, the coldest has been a few days around -15 to -20 plus we are getting more rain and the summers are actually getting well over 85 degrees!
                          Now this is where things would get dangerous for Disney - toeing the line, you might say. For one thing, many or most supporters of free industry believe that any current weather changes are simply normal cyclical changes that the Earth's atmosphere goes through over long periods of time. To say that global warming is an indisbutable fact would thrust Disney into the world of politics - something they have attempted to avoid for a long time, because of possible alienation of half of America.

                          The other problem is that to suggest that the future will be cataclysmic is to go against everything that Tomorrowland is supposed to stand for. Sure, it says something about the fortitude of the human spirit...but Tomorrowland is supposed to be about mankind pulling his act together in the near future to make a Great Big Wonderful Tomorrow. The explorational theme works, sure, but it would work even better if it was about the discovery of something important that we didn't previously know about deep under the water. THAT actually fits into the Tomorrowland theme.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by MickeyMania
                            While I appreciate the thought of people trying to preserve the idea of Tomorrowland, can anyone please tell me how the original attraction was any more futuristic?
                            The ocean is our past, present, and our future. You never know, we may find some of those things that were in the submarine voyage in real life.

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                            • #34
                              I agree that at least there is finally something being done to the sub lagoon. Be thankful that our subs will be working again compared to Florida having their lagoon filled up and being used for a meet and greet area for pooh.

                              I can see Disney using the Finding Nemo characters for some kind of educational look into the oceans of the world. Now I know this will not appeal to many adults but it would be a great learning tool for kids.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by lyd
                                I agree that at least there is finally something being done to the sub lagoon. Be thankful that our subs will be working again compared to Florida having their lagoon filled up and being used for a meet and greet area for pooh.

                                I can see Disney using the Finding Nemo characters for some kind of educational look into the oceans of the world. Now I know this will not appeal to many adults but it would be a great learning tool for kids.
                                because if there's one thing Epcot teaches us, it's that the kids love the learnin'.

                                Put simply, Nemo is a copout. It just shows once again that Disney doesn't have any faith in its creative team, doesn't have any faith in what Disneyland set out to be 50 years ago.

                                About the most Nemo should ever have to do with the subs is having Dory as our narrator. the same approach made World of Energy a revitalized ride. Or, as I've suggested before, go with a more futuristic exploratory theme and redo the ride with a Life Aquatic makeover, as we discover all sorts of new life that might exist in the 90% or so of the world's oceans that are yet unexplored. And again, have Bill Murray narrate so that you're getting a comic adventure AND an underwater world of eyecandy at once. why sacrifice such a unique storytelling environment just to build another Fantasyland darkride?
                                See, George Lucas? I'm not the only one! [<-- i.e. this is not my site]
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                                "There are fashions in reading, even in thinking. You don't have to follow them unless you want to."

                                "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

                                -- Walt Disney

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Whatever
                                  I think disney owns exclusive rights to all the charaters, etc from the Pixar movies. This was one of the reasons that Steve Jobs wanted to re-negotiate...
                                  I think Jobs just wants to negotiate because he thinks Eisner is out of the picture soon. Most of his personal issues off the record were not directly with Disney, but their business practices, and low bidding policies. Pinch a penny- lose a client.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by imagineer boy
                                    Well, I hope they do it right, but please NO NEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                    One thing I can almost promise, the name of the attraction won't be "Submarine Voyage"

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Ascendant
                                      To say that global warming is an indisbutable fact would thrust Disney into the world of politics
                                      I don't think that's the idea. If they get attacked for putting global warming in a ride plot, they can just release a statement saying that the attraction is fiction and carry on.

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                                      • #39
                                        Great if this goes through but Nemo??? hopefully common sense will pervail and provide something with some spectacle ala Atlantis:The Lost Empire or 20,000 Leagues. Both are better suited to a sub adventure and would leave behind my personal favorite section,Atlantis and the valcano eruptions
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                                        • #40
                                          I think Nemo will be great- and all the naysayers can go ride something else so I can enjoy my subs again

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