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  • [Fun] Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

    We all know that Disneyland's Mine Train to Natures Wonderland was something worth going to back in the 50's and 60's and is not there anymore, with it being replaced by Big Thunder.

    In some ways though, I think the Mine Trains were in some ways, revived. No I'm not talking about it returning to Disneyland. I'm talking about Knotts Berry Farms Mine Train Ride which is still opened today.

    While Disney's version focused on Natures Wonderland, Knotts version focuses on going through Calico's Mines.

    So heres the question that you can answer with the poll attached as well. If Disneyland's Mine Train ride was still opened, whih version would you prefer? Knotts or Disney's?

    And do you think that Knotts Berry Farms Mine Ride is a spiritual version of Disney's?
    51
    Knotts Berry Farms Mine Ride
    37.25%
    19
    Disneyland's Mine Train's to Natures Wonderland
    62.75%
    32


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    Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

    Just from a quality standpoint I have to assume that MTTNW would be superior to the Calico Mine Train. I've been to Knott's once and was seriously unimpressed with the Calico train. The sound system was so lousy I couldn't hear a word the conductor was saying, the trains were uncomfortable and very slow to load (longest line I waited in all day), and the human figures in the ride (I can't in good conscience refer to them as AAs) were roughly "traveling carnival" quality. Some of the scenery was nice (the large, central, multi-level mining operation comes to mind), but on the whole I felt like the ride was a dark, slow, meandering mess without much in the way of a cohesive story experience. I left feeling like it was a prime example of why Disney has been so much more successful than Knott's (other than, you know, built in global brand recognition).
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    • #3
      Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

      Sorry, but having ridden both many times, comparing Knott's mine train to Disneyland's is like comparing a state baseball team to a national. They all have bats, balls and gloves, but there the similarity ends.


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      • #4
        Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

        I think too many people are quick to criticize Knott's. And much of that is deserved, especially since Cedar Fair took over.

        But the Calico Mine Train is really a great ride, and one that not only is Disney-caliber in terms of themeing but one that also had a lot of influence on Walt Disney himself.

        The Calico Mine Train was built in 1960. It was built after Disney's Mine Train but before POTC. And it had more influence on Walt Disney than a lot of Disney fans would want to admit. It was the first major theme park ride to incorporate part of the queue within the attraction itself. I also mentioned POTC because in my opinion it was a major influence on that ride. Especially in the grotto where the rockwork of the cave is not only beside you but above you. Before POTC most of Disney's rides had plain ceilings like in the FL dark rides or on iasw.

        Sure. The AA technology in the Knott's version is pretty crude. But it is an immersive experience, and one that Walt tried to copy and succeeded with his masterpiece, POTC.

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        • #5
          Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

          Originally posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
          The AA technology in the Knott's version is pretty crude. But it is an immersive experience, and one that Walt tried to copy and succeeded with his masterpiece, POTC.
          I'm not criticizing Knott's or their Mine Train, both of which I'm fond of -- but I find it difficult to believe that Walt or WED "tried to copy" anything from Knotts for Pirates of the Caribbean (especially when you consider the development history of POTC).


          "With the acquisition of Marvel and now of Lucasfilm,
          Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
          imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

          - Neil Gabler

          "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
          until Thor told it to me."
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          Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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          • #6
            Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

            Knott's mine train is more of a dark ride with limited outdoor parts. It does have one large interesting room in it and does have some nice little tunnel sections. That main room is interesting to watch even if the animatronics (closer to mannequins) aren't that great.

            But Disneyland's mine train went past Rivers of America, some beautiful waterfalls, bears, goofy looking cactus, geysers, and ended with those indoor blacklight waters. It was mostly an outdoor train which was like riding through one of their nature films. To modern park goers it might not sound like much but it was one of my favorite rides at the park as a kid. The thrills were non-existant but the interesting things to see in its little journey made it a classic ride.

            Knott's mine train is a dark ride worth going on but a different kind of ride and not in the same league as the large, expansive, and mostly outdoor Disneyland mine train.

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            • #7
              Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

              Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
              I'm not criticizing Knott's or their Mine Train, both of which I'm fond of -- but I find it difficult to believe that Walt or WED "tried to copy" anything from Knotts for Pirates of the Caribbean (especially when you consider the development history of POTC).


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              • #8
                Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                While there's no doubt that Disneyland and Knotts had some healthy competition for a few years, Disney's Mine Train Ride through Nature's Wonderland was rather epic. Picture Thunder Mountain and Jungle Cruise combined in both size and length. There's just no way the reduced scope of Knott's Mine ride could compete.

                That said, I'm glad at least one of the two mine train rides survived.

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                • #9
                  Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                  Originally posted by SilentDante View Post
                  ...the human figures in the ride...were roughly "traveling carnival" quality.
                  The creepy undead miners?













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                  • #10
                    Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                    I've been lucky enough to have ridden both.

                    Only one still captivates the young logger in me.

                    They're different ride; one a flume and one a train. That makes comparisons nearly impossible.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                      Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                      ...I find it difficult to believe that Walt or WED "tried to copy" anything from Knotts for Pirates of the Caribbean (especially when you consider the development history of POTC).
                      Originally posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
                      1969:

                      1989:

                      Just sayin.
                      I said "Walt or WED," not "He Who Calls Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage a 'Major E-Ticket' and WDI."


                      Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 08-17-2009, 06:58 PM.
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                      Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
                      imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

                      - Neil Gabler

                      "I didn't know the story of baby Jesus could be any better,
                      until Thor told it to me."
                      -
                      Young girl at Disneyland's 2017 Candlelight Ceremony

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                      • #12
                        Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                        I'm confused...are we talking about the Calico Mine Train, or the Timber Mountain Log Ride?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                          Mine train.
                          -Chris

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                          • #14
                            Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                            It's kind of hard to criticize because Walt based his off of Knotts. It's said that Walt Knotts and Walt Disney were good friends and Walt Disney got some of his inspirations from Knotts.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Knotts Mine Train ride compared to Disney's

                              Originally posted by Disneytwins View Post
                              It's kind of hard to criticize because Walt based his off of Knotts. It's said that Walt Knotts and Walt Disney were good friends and Walt Disney got some of his inspirations from Knotts.

                              They were friendly and Walt did get some inspiration from Knotts Berry Farm. Walt observed crowd movements at KBF to figure out how he wanted Disneyland to be layed out. It made sense, Knotts was already there, it was only 5 miles away so the visitors and the weather would be comparable.

                              They also both knew that the other wasn't competition at all. Disney brought quite a few people to Southern California to visit his park. People generally don't take a family vacation in a station wagon across country and visit only one place.

                              Walt Disney and Walter Knott actually didn't compete, they complimented each other. When people go to Orlando I'm guessing that The Magic Kingdom isn't their only destination. Why do you think Sea World and Universal both built parks there?

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