[Question] Disneyland Overhaul????

[Smontalvo1489]

A Disneyland Overhaul:

So I know we have all thought about, and or discussed this topic multiple times during our Disney obsessed lives, but in the even to the WDW FL expansion i have began to question the same thing about DL.

We DLR fans know full well, and appreciate all the time and effort and money going into the current DCA expansion. (at least I do) With the current economic state of the country, And with the billion or so dollars distributed through this DCA project, the chances of a DL park update anytime soon are very slim.

The question i would like to gain feedback on is this:

If and when do you all think that DL will get a Fantasyland expansion? Another Tomorrowland overhaul? And perhaps a Frontierland expansion?

Land is not the problem when it comes to FL. Kids thoroughly enjoy FL as it is, so if TOONTOWN was invaded by Disney Classics i would not be opposed. Plus IMO Toontown is becoming a little old.

TL definitly needs a new color scheme and a new attraction (Aside from Star Tours 2) IMO (innoventions.....gone please) Revamp Autopia, etc. But aside from a new attraction Cosmetic things.

And than there is Frontierland. Depending what happens with the BBQ and the picnic ground or what ever they are, there is always potential to use that land for something great.

All in all after all that rambling I really just want to know what others think. And if you would rather see:

A: A DL overhaul with
A New Tomorrowland
A FL overhaul
And a potential Frontierland Expansion
or

B: A Third Gate.

And if you all think that either of these projects have chances of coming to fruition.

[The Forbidden Eye]

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Lets see:

FL Expansion: An overhaul project actuall did happen in the 80's. Helped give Fantasyland a better fantasy theme from what it had back in 1955.

Frontierland: Have a good point regarding the Big Thunder Trail. I'm all for having a Wild West Stunt Show similar to Knotts but with a different story.

TL: Well, we will see what the next Tomorrowland will bring. I think Star Tours 2.0 is just a start.

Third Gate: Since Disney now owns Marvel, they can make the first ever Marvel Theme Park! LOL. But seriously anything thats not a waterpark would be better (How would you compete with Soak City being that it's 10 minutes from DLR?)

[Bexington]

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I'm gonna say A:

I wouldn't really miss toon town to be honest. theres really nothing for me to do out there way in the back of disneyland. though i did like gadget's go coaster as a kid. too bad nobody knows who gadget is anymore. i guess the purpose of toontown is to be a kids only kind of thing. kinda like the purpose bugs land fulfills.

bleh i suppose im conflicted about toon town and thats not really the topic of this thread lol.

A > B

I don't think we need a third gate till DCA and DL are made to be the best they can be. (meaning all the mistakes made around 1998 - 2003 are corrected)

[The Forbidden Eye]

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I don't think we need a third gate till DCA and DL are made to be the best they can be. (meaning all the mistakes made around the turn of the century are corrected)

Well, Bob Iger did say that they were going to focus on making the second gate (DCA) sucessful first before planning a third gate.

And probably the mistakes made at Disneyland would have to be evaluated first before correcting them.

[Smontalvo1489]

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I'm gonna say A:

I wouldn't really miss toon town to be honest. theres really nothing for me to do out there way in the back of disneyland. though i did like gadget's go coaster as a kid. too bad nobody knows who gadget is anymore. i guess the purpose of toontown is to be a kids only kind of thing. kinda like the purpose bugs land fulfills.

bleh i suppose im conflicted about toon town and thats not really the topic of this thread lol.

A > B

I don't think we need a third gate till DCA and DL are made to be the best they can be. (meaning all the mistakes made around the turn of the century are corrected)

Yea, toon town doesn't necessarily need to be destroyed completely. There is a decent amount of space where the theatre is.

The part of me that likes toon town always wished that it could be rebuilt and receive a massive dark ride that featured the fab five, where Mickey and Minnie's houses, and potentially the other fab five's houses/ living quarters could be, or be part of the queue. At the end of the ride, you could be dumped into a meet and greet.

Obviously there would be problems with people who dont want to ride the ride to see the characters, and vice versa, and that could be figured out. But i just feel that Toon Town is becoming more and more phony with age.
but thats just me.

That idea i just said has more ridiculousness than actually gutting the place and extending fantasyland, but it just came to my head right now lol.

[Bexington]

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And probably the mistakes made at Disneyland would have to be evaluated first before correcting them.

lol sorry i mean the things that I felt were mistakes

[The Forbidden Eye]

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lol sorry i mean the things that I felt were mistakes

LOL. No problem. Just what things in the Parks you felt was a mistake?

[Bexington]

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removing rocket rods and not putting the people mover back. leaving a the track without an attraction seems like such a waste.

removing the rocket jets and moving them to the ground infront of tomorrowlands entrance causing a bottleneck and making it look like something out of discoveryland. I really wanted to ride the jets as a kid they felt so high up off the ground but my family didnt feel like waiting for it *clenches fist* and now im ever so bitter about not having the opportunity to soar over tomorrowland in a restrictive circle. I can only imagine how cool that would have looked at night. there's a scene in robot carnival that always reminds me of it.

Most of the other things i felt were mistakes have already been adressed and it seems they're doing something about it.

Tomorrowland was my favorite land as a kid so thats probably why im really only griping about IT more than anything else.

[Tomorrowland_1967]

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We DLR fans know full well, and appreciate all the time and effort and money going into the current DCA expansion. (at least I do) With the current economic state of the country, And with the billion or so dollars distributed through this DCA project, the chances of a DL park update anytime soon are very slim.

It's got to do with more than just money. After all .. they didn't seem to blink twice about dropping 4 BILLION dollars to buy out Marvel.

It's all about "priorities" ... and any part of DL that is in need of some serious reworking (Tomorrowland) they don't care. It's not on their radar.

They still have yet to show a commitment and an interest in a land that needs a total makeover.

The question i would like to gain feedback on is this:

If and when do you all think that DL will get a Fantasyland expansion? ........
..........Land is not the problem when it comes to FL.

Expand into where?
I think it's time to pull up Google Earth my friend. Unless there's a gate into another dimension of space.

There's one under-utilized area ... formally - The Motor Boat Cruise. And according to Al ... that space is to be re purposed to fit in a Tinkerbell dark ride.

Next is the Fantasyland Theatre. Currently a place for parents to spend money on their little girls to be dolled up like princesses. A fad that I hope will go ... and the theatre back to delivering live stage shows .. like it use to. I miss that in DL. Currently .. the only place to find a large scale stage production is the Aladdin show at the Hyperion in DCA. Us internet "joes" have passed around the idea for the area to be repurposed to contain a different attraction .. but I'm having trouble imagining TDA getting rid of what is their only Live Stage venue in all of Disneyland. Just because stage shows are not a thing at the moment .. does not mean they are gone permanently.

Now as far as Toontown goes ..... If there's one thing I've learned about Disney .. they are more inclined to get as much "mileage" (years) as they can out of anything before they are wiling to demolish - 'whatever'. Built in 1993 ... Toontown is only 16 years old. The permanent home of Mickey, Minnie, Donald, and Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin. I'm willing to bet the farm .. NONE of those features are going anywhere. And for a long time! And we are talking a piece of land that is not that big at all.

Another Tomorrowland overhaul?

That is inevitable.

And perhaps a Frontierland expansion?...............
And than there is Frontierland. Depending what happens with the BBQ and the picnic ground or what ever they are, there is always potential to use that land for something great.

It's been a long time since Nature's Wonderland Mine Trains jugged through .. what is now .. underutilized areas of Frontierland ......... and some day ... I do hope to see it used for something really special. Since Cascade Peek was taken down in the late 90s ... I began to really feel something really missing .. especially on that last bend on any one of the river craft. Feels like a "gapping hole" there.

I await something special to be worthy of Frontierland. And hopefully not a single toon!

TL definitly needs a new color scheme and a new attraction (Aside from Star Tours 2) IMO (innoventions.....gone please) Revamp Autopia, etc. But aside from a new attraction Cosmetic things.

Tomorrowland needs a HECK OF A LOT MORE than just a new color scheme.

Some people don't pay attention ....
but underneath that blue & silver paint job done in 2005 is the "1998 cosmetic" layer .. which sits on the 1967 Tomorrowland.

It's a 42 year old land.
Enough with the paint.

How many layers of make-up can they keep putting on this 42 year old girl .... and try to keep passing her off as "New"?

It's not working anymore!

It's time to do some serious demolishen work .. and do something new, fresh, and innovative!

All in all after all that rambling I really just want to know what others think. And if you would rather see:

A: A DL overhaul with
A New Tomorrowland
A FL overhaul
And a potential Frontierland Expansion
or

B: A Third Gate.

And if you all think that either of these projects have chances of coming to fruition.

Number One: New Tomorrowland needs to be on the front burner!

Following that ........ taking on the north sections of Frontierland .. and do something nice.

Fantasyland - No makeover! They did one in 1983 to become the quaint "Bavarian Village" it is today. Though .. the Motor Boat Cruise area is an area to redevelop. And I'd like to see the stage venue in the back returned to stage productions.

Third Gate? Should be the furthest thing from our minds .... I don't think anything is going to BEGIN to materialize on drawing boards for another decade!

We can come back to that debate in the 2020s.

[Smontalvo1489]

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Number One: New Tomorrowland needs to be on the front burner!

Following that ........ taking on the north sections of Frontierland .. and do something nice.

Fantasyland - No makeover! They did one in 1983 to become the quaint "Bavarian Village" it is today. Though .. the Motor Boat Cruise area is an area to redevelop. And I'd like to see the stage venue in the back returned to stage productions.

Third Gate? Should the furthest thing from our minds .... I don't think anything is going to BEGIN to materialize on drawing boards for another decade!

We can come back to that debate in 2020s.

I bascially agree with everything you said. I wasnt actually sure if creating the thread would get much feedback to i cranked something out in a minute without going over it again lol.

But what i meant with FL was an expansion. I personally dont like Toon Town. There is space there to add SOMETHING, if they are willing to get rid of it. SO thats the land I am speaking of. Its obviously not "free".

And also i did not mean to suggest the current FL needs to be touched at all. I Like it perfectly the way that it is, and there is no reason to do anything else to the current FL that was already done in the 80's

I agree with everyhting you said about Tomorrowlond...i jsut didnt expand on it because if i typed a whole essay on everything i didint think people would really read it all. Of course it needs more than some paint lol. It got paint in 98. I agree that TL needs to be the Priority, than Frontierland, and than FL, and than a possible 3rd gate. If and only IF the DLR can bring in the huge amounts of people that it wants to, will it be discussed.

I like the 2020's prediction, because i was feeling the same way.

[Tomorrowland_1967]

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And for all we know ...
who's to say that aren't tinkering with ideas for a third gate now?

The trouble I see .. is the space that is deemed "third gate" is awfully small to do a large scale theme park. And what room will it have for future growth?

And like you .... I actually would like to see Toontown just die! lol

Keep Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin .......
But I never cared for the layout and the execution of this newer land.
Aside from Roger R. .. there's just not much else for us adults without kids to do. And the land is not what it was when it opened. A few things have shuttered. The idea of making things more interactive .. do deteriorate fast.

So ... I too would like to see Fantasyland continue under the tracks .. into a redeveloped area.

But lets be careful what we wish for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disney is hoping their fetish with elaborate Meet & Greets really takes off when the Newly redesigned Fantasyland opens at WDW. If they feel their concept has legs ... I could see them turning the back half of Fantaysland into Princess Meet & Greet land .. along with 'it's a small world' and "Roger Rabbit's Car Toon spin".

[Smontalvo1489]

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And for all we know ...
who's to say that aren't tinkering with ideas for a third gate now?

The trouble I see .. is the space that is deemed "third gate" is awfully small to do a large scale theme park. And what room will it have for future growth?

And like you .... I actually would like to see Toontown just die! lol

Keep Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin .......
But I never cared for the layout and the execution of this newer land.
Aside from Roger R. .. there's just not much else for us adults without kids to do. And the land is not what it was when it opened. A few things have shuttered. The idea of making things more interactive .. do deteriorate fast.

So ... I too would like to see Fantasyland continue under the tracks .. into a redeveloped area.

But lets be careful what we wish for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disney is hoping their fetish with elaborate Meet & Greets really takes off when the Newly redesigned Fantasyland opens at WDW. If they feel their concept has legs ... I could see them turning the back half of Fantaysland into Princess Meet & Greet land .. along with 'it's a small world' and "Roger Rabbit's Car Toon spin".

Well essentially all i see toon town as is a Meet and greet for the "fab five". if you will.

Ive always wanted to see a Fab five dark ride. It would have to be big to have justice, and it would be hard to get some sort of storyline going. But I just feel so much emptiness in toontown. All those whimsical fascades get old as we age. But for some reason, FL doesn't have the same effect.

Toon Town just makes me feel uncomfortable, because everything just comes across as really fake. It is VERY immersive, and i wont take that away from Toon Town, i just think its seeing its last days. And Would definitly like to See FL expand beneath the tracks. Obviously as its been stated, Meet and greets are cheaper than attractions, and with TLM in WDW... the development of the ride has essentially been completed, and as we know the only difference is the facade. Yes the Expansion at WDW does seem very appealing, but the video sad it all: "DISNEY PRINCESSES", "SIGH" but in the back of their minds it equals money.

[Smontalvo1489]

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If DL were to get a FL expansion, What would you all like to see?

Other than San a B&TB Dark ride, what else could be built that wouldn't necessarily result in Meet and greet land?

What are your thoughts?

[The Forbidden Eye]

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If it were possible I would like to see the dragon that you can see in DLP. It looks totally awesome. It could work if there was a way to dig space underneath the castle.

[jasonryan106]

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If it were possible I would like to see the dragon that you can see in DLP. It looks totally awesome. It could work if there was a way to dig space underneath the castle.

Completely agree! if they dug out the carnation gardens and HUGE unused patio there, they could put the dragon underground "the castle" even if its to the side.

LOVE that idea, the dragon in Paris is so impressive

[Homan]

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A: A DL overhaul with
A New Tomorrowland
A FL overhaul
And a potential Frontierland Expansion
or

B: A Third Gate.

A: First I would love a non water park Third Gate. But I definitely would like to see Disneyland and California Adventure get updates first, as they both need it.

First thing first: Tomorrow land needs an update more than any other land in Disneyland. New Star Tours, a Replacement for Honey I Shrunk the Audience, a replacement or major overhaul of Interventions, and a basic remodeling of the whole area.... wait I forgot something... oh yeah the people mover track... the major eye sour of that land. That track needs a ride added to it.

Second: FL seems to have land to use for an expansion in DL as well. I would love to see Mickey's Philharmonic added. Also, a high end restuarant/meet and greet like the blue bayou in fantasyland or toontown would be a great plus.

[B2D]

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I think before a third gate is even thought about, DL needs some TLC and DCA needs to have it's maximum potential realized.

First thing with DL is work on Tomorrowland. The empty Peoplemover track is an open wound. Starcade has to be reworked (this is currently being discussed in another thread). Star Tours 2.0 has to be installed. The Astro Orbitor needs to be put back in its rightful place. The entrance needs to be reworked; the current design is too overblown compared to the more subtle designs of AL and FL and upsets the design balance. Something's got to be done with Innoventions or the space it occupies. Autopia needs to be brought up to date with electric or hybrid vehicles. Once the "Tomorrow" gets put back in "Tomorrowland" then we'll worry about cosmetics.

I think Fantasyland probably needs the least attention out of all the lands in the park right now. The one thing I'd wish they would do is make some use of the old Skyway station. Right now it's just sitting behind some trees gathering dust. I recall Werner Weiss suggesting a Swiss Chalet-themed ice cream stand with seating in a Yesterland article. That seems like a great idea for it.

Frontierland could use at least one more attraction. The former Cascade Peak area is very well hidden with trees and I'm not exactly sure what use it has. Possible backstage purposes? There's definitely some more real estate to be used there.

Like I said, I think that the right thing to do would be to max out DL and DCA before Gate 3 comes to life.

[sdjeff4sc]

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Definitely TL FIRST! 1) AO back up on top of the PM platform, 2) SOMETHING on the PM track, 3) STII, 4) Replacement for HISTA

I'm in favor of the demolition of Innoventions, Red Rockets, HISTA and Starcade - I'd also love to see Mission Space cloned, even if many here do not like clones. I thought Mission to Mars was very futuristic, I also think Mission Space is the modern equivelent.

Nemo is just lame, to begin with, it's Pixar, but their is NOTHING futuristic about it - but the cost of removing it and updating/downscaling Autopia to gain add'l room will keep Nemo with us for a long time.

For TT - there's just not much there except for RR and Gadget's Go-Coaster. Yeah, I always end up at the Mickey meet & greet. I'd like to see Mickey's Philharmagic - again, a clone.......

In FL, a Tinkerbell dark ride where the Motor Boats used to be is fine I guess, but the FL theatre needs to go! The stretch from Teacups/Casey Jr. up to Small world is actually pretty empty. But I think FL is probably the last area of the park that needs updating.

What's in Frontierland except the shooting gallery and Big Thunder? There is actually quite a bit of room northwest of BTM that actually stretches up to the Fantasyland theatre.... some of it is backstage, don't know what I'd like to see up there, suggestions?

In summation...
1) Tommorrowland
2) Frontierland
3) Fantasyland/Toontown

[JerrodDRagon]

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A New Tomorrowland
*This will happen but after Disney is done with DCA. I'm sure they will add the PM, a new 3D show, maybe some more updates for Space, Star Tours (this will come first) and a new color theme.

A FL overhaul
*I'm hoping this will happen after Tommorrowland, if you have seen the pics for what their doing at WDW, then you know why we need to get our FL updated.
Maybe a Beauty and the Beast ride, updates on the old attractions and maybe another Dark ride.

And a potential Frontierland Expansion - I guess this would be nice, I mean this really is not needed as much as a lot of other things needed at DL.
*A new show, an E ticket water ride, and Big Thunder Mountain getting a Halloween Overlay.

B: A Third Gate.
This will not be for at least 15-20 years from now. By then who knows what movies, comic;s and Animes Disney will own by then (they just got Naruto) so I'm hoping the third gate will be a Westcot combined with Disney characters and other comic and movies characters.

[WestsideCM99]

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Here's a rough outline of the expansion areas that I think that can be utilized in a FL expansion:



Yes, I realize that I demolished BTRBBQ but would anyone be concerned if it was replaced by a new attraction marquee/show building?