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  • Vasooki
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    No, I don't think so.

    One of the main reasons, in being a local, is its something everyone can relate to. Its not like you can walk up to someone (in Socal) and they have never heard of Disneyland. Everyone has their own unique stories, and experiences.

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  • sunrider
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    so i guess magical is in the eye of the beholder...whats magical for one isnt for another...but that being said..we all agree that some areas have lost their magic..or loseing it..tommorowland.. looseing it quick.. even with star tours 2.0 and the finding nemo mobile movie ride..iit needs help stat. frontierland has lost it completely...IMO

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  • Bob Weaver
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    It's true, Disneyland stopped being original in the 1980s and never really started back up. Eisner had a huge influence in that. The Pressler years became "it's a mall world" and the brief tenure of Matt Ouimet only helped stave off the complete destruction of the Disneyland we knew. Hopefully George Karagridis will be more like Matt Ouimet than Eisner/Pressler/Harriss.

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  • Mr Wiggins
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    Originally posted by bfdf55 View Post
    When Disney was in it’s prime, there WAS no comparison to any other park. However, in the past decade or so, the competition has been making significant inroads against Disney, actually outdoing them in some areas, like Spiderman at IOA. And, during that same period, Disney has let it’s creative quality and integrity slip. In the past, no one would EVER consider a Disney park as being “worst”. But, since DCA, they now have three that compete for that “title”.

    So, while Disneyland is still ahead of Knott’s and Magic Mountain, the combination of other parks striving to become better, and Disney letting their quality slip, may well indeed result in Disney’s “magic” being superseded by that of their competition.
    Very true -- with the exception that Disney started dropping the quality of Disneyland almost 20 years ago, not ten. The replacement of unique merchandise with generic plush, the decline in the quantity and quality of entertainment, the decline in number and quality of restaurants, the decline in maintenance, and the monumental decline in Disneyland-quality rides all began in the late 80's/early 90's -- the result of Eisner's demand for double-digit profits at any cost.

    The decline of Disneyland's quality was noticeable years before the competition's improvement revved up.


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  • 4Apples4Disney
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    Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
    Some non-Disney parks have some top-quality rides but no other park that I know of has the same gestalt, mood and atmosphere of Disneyland. "The park is the ride."
    That was said very well!

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  • Usul831
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    Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
    For the magic to continue everyone involved must fully participate, including executives of the company, Imagineers, cast members and guests. Everyone must bring imagination and the right attitude, for it to work. The first principle of "The Disney Way" is "Make Everyone's Dream Come True" and the goal of it is to foster creativity in all company employees, not just Imagineers. What can impair the magic is when one piece of the puzzle falls out or one participant lacks imagination or takes the wrong attitude, such as a guest who misbehaves, a cast member who in a stressful moment loses his/her cool, an Imagineer who loses originality, or if the company were to hire a CEO who values short-term profit over long-term goals, or a President who emphasizes marketing over a quality experience... oh, wait.
    Great stuff Bob! Theme parks are a reflection of society and our young little country has changed tremendously since naive little ole 1955. We live in much more complex times and "building your dreams" hasn't gotten any easier (or cheaper!)

    I'd like to see Disneyland reflect more positive trends in post Y2K USA like the green movement. Tomorrowland going eco would be very fitting and create a lot of cool rides. A solar powered electromagnetic people mover sounds guuud!

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  • Bob Weaver
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    For the magic to continue everyone involved must fully participate, including executives of the company, Imagineers, cast members and guests. Everyone must bring imagination and the right attitude, for it to work. The first principle of "The Disney Way" is "Make Everyone's Dream Come True" and the goal of it is to foster creativity in all company employees, not just Imagineers. What can impair the magic is when one piece of the puzzle falls out or one participant lacks imagination or takes the wrong attitude, such as a guest who misbehaves, a cast member who in a stressful moment loses his/her cool, an Imagineer who loses originality, or if the company were to hire a CEO who values short-term profit over long-term goals, or a President who emphasizes marketing over a quality experience... oh, wait.

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  • bfdf55
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    Originally posted by sunrider View Post
    that is a good question..and one day it could be a possability maybe not in our lifetime but think about it..disneyland is one of a kind due to the fact that it was the first theme park,therefor its placed on a pedastell and set the standard that others have to match, that being said(and i love DL and DCA,)with todays changeing tastes and demographics, it could be tougher for disneyland to compete and maintain its number one position.forever doing this balanceing act between what was , what is, and what could be....purists (like my self) think they miss the mark alot nowadays,..but to a diffrent set of individuals..that havent been to the park befor or as many times as I or never grew up with disney as it used to bewill think im nuts and love buzz in tommorowland and so on..and i bet they will even love MILF...
    diluted form will find it easier to compare them to other parks that have been improving. When there is little or no difference between Disney and other parks, it will be easier for them to go elsewhere for their entertainment.

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  • bfdf55
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    Originally posted by Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Bo View Post
    Whoa, you can't compare those two places to Disneyland! That couldn't happen, ever!

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  • sunrider
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    Originally posted by Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Bo View Post
    Whoa, you can't compare those two places to Disneyland! That couldn't happen, ever!
    maybe not on the whole..but never say never...

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  • TheGlassSlipper
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    Originally posted by bfdf55 View Post
    And, what happens when Disneyland has deteriorated to the point where it feels less "magical" than Knott's or Magic Mountain?
    Whoa, you can't compare those two places to Disneyland! That couldn't happen, ever!

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  • sunrider
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    Originally posted by bfdf55 View Post
    And, what happens when Disneyland has deteriorated to the point where it feels less "magical" than Knott's or Magic Mountain?
    that is a good question..and one day it could be a possability maybe not in our lifetime but think about it..disneyland is one of a kind due to the fact that it was the first theme park,therefor its placed on a pedastell and set the standard that others have to match, that being said(and i love DL and DCA,)with todays changeing tastes and demographics, it could be tougher for disneyland to compete and maintain its number one position.forever doing this balanceing act between what was , what is, and what could be....purists (like my self) think they miss the mark alot nowadays,..but to a diffrent set of individuals..that havent been to the park befor or as many times as I or never grew up with disney as it used to bewill think im nuts and love buzz in tommorowland and so on..and i bet they will even love MILF...

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  • Ortizmo2000
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    Not as long as there is imagination left in the world.

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  • bfdf55
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    Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    no even if you dont feel all the magic when your there if I go anywhere else it does not feel anything like Disneyland.
    And, what happens when Disneyland has deteriorated to the point where it feels less "magical" than Knott's or Magic Mountain?

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  • CASurfer65
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    Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
    The magic is in you. Disneyland simply provides the environment where it can be expressed and enjoyed.
    Well said.

    IMO, it totally depends on the person.

    I worked as an Attractions CM from '83 through '94 so it was my home away from home for years.

    I never lost that sense of what Disneyland was all about.

    I recently purchased an AP, and still look forward to my trips to the park. Though I live locally, I really don't go as often as many....maybe once every few months or so....but it is still very special to me.

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  • mycroft16
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    Originally posted by Usul831 View Post
    For children the magic will never fade since they are still full of imagination and not yet jaded. )
    Adults don't have to lose their imagination nor do they have to become jaded.

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  • Usul831
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    Just like life itself, the magic can and will fade with age. You could get dementia and never even remember you spent an hour in the parks... ouch that would suck!

    For children the magic will never fade since they are still full of imagination and not yet jaded. )

    However, bad management with bad ideas will go far in reducing the level of magic for adults. Particularly the more jaded ones. :argue:

    Tivoli Gardens is now over 160 years old and all the travel reports and videos and pictures I've ever seen of the place show it's as magical as ever.

    My own opinion is that DL and even DCA are fantastic parks that reflect many of the current cultural and social trends. I do not like many of those trends but rather than shout "get off my lawn" I smile as I see all the other people enjoying it (ie: High School Musical :thumbdown)

    There are also trends in business management. Disney is a public company in a free market society. If you want to do something about the magic you are free to buy a majority stake in the company. None of us could afford that so your alternative is to take ownership of the park in your heart and mind. Thus the pain as things change in the park and ones heart feels betrayed by the company. That's life! :yea:

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  • Bob Weaver
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    Some non-Disney parks have some top-quality rides but no other park that I know of has the same gestalt, mood and atmosphere of Disneyland. "The park is the ride."

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  • TheGlassSlipper
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    Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    no even if you dont feel all the magic when your there if I go anywhere else it does not feel anything like Disneyland.

    So true, so true....

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  • JerrodDRagon
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    no even if you dont feel all the magic when your there if I go anywhere else it does not feel anything like Disneyland.

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