[Rumor] Elevated Peoplemover System from the Pond/Rail Station to Disneyland

[Dustysage]

The Starbucks news seemed to grab all the attention in Al's last update, however, I found the statement below about a "Peoplemover" used to shuttle people from a new high speed rail station to Disneyland to be the really exciting news.

Ed successfully helped patch up the relationship between Disneyland and the local community, and now George is going to need to shepherd that relationship through some important projects ahead like the big California High Speed Rail station in Anaheim, the plans for an elevated peoplemover system from that new station to Disneyland and the Anaheim Convention Center

A Peoplemover system which also stops at the new parking structure across from Garden Walk (or perhaps even at Garden Walk) would be a great way to shuttle crowds in a more environmentally friendly way than buses. Additionally a high speed rail project could help cut down on parking congestion by encouraging more guests to take the train instead of driving.

I wouldn't be surprised if such a high speed rail project also linked the Disney Cruise Line terminal with Disneyland as well.

What are your thoughts folks?

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Re: Elevated Peoplemover System from the Pond/Rail Station to Disneyland

The California High Speed Rail will not align with San Pedro or Long Beach.

But other than that, great post Dusty!

[sleepyjeff]

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I would love to see it.......maybe it would even shame the folks in Orlando into losing the buses.

[Disneytwins]

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I would love to see it.......maybe it would even shame the folks in Orlando into losing the buses.

Now that would be expensive!

[OldSchoolMickey]

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If, and that is a BIG if, the pipe dream of a high speed rail system ever actually gets built, it might be a nice idea.

But I have a feeling that my teenage kids will have grandkids before the high speed rail ever makes it into sunny California.

If at all...

[Joshnyah]

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I would love to see it. Fingers Crossed.

[Bruce Bergman]

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A Peoplemover or Personal Rapid Transit system running from Disneyland to ARTIC would work wonderfully, and could be built and running in only a few years if they got moving and got cooperation from the other stakeholders. (City of Anaheim, Orange County, and the residents along the path.)

But the High Speed Rail project isn't going to be built for a good 15 to 20 years, if at all. If they haven't noticed yet, the state is well beyond broke and looks to be that way for a while.

If they can get you from ARTIC to the Long Beach Cruise Line Terminal on an Amtrak or Metrolink train, and then a more direct connection via a dedicated regional light-rail system, that's a far more realistic and therefore better reason to build the connector. Once there is a proven demand, then they can build a more direct light-rail trolley connector that goes right to the dock.

That's the Achilles Heel of public transit - It *almost* gets you from where you are to to where you need to go, and *almost* at the times you wanted to get there and back.

It's that last mile at either end of your trip or the mile gap in the middle, or the schedule that doesn't run early enough or late enough, that are the bane of leaving your car at home and taking public transit. Taking a taxi or a shuttle-bus to cross that gap blows all the savings.

--<< Bruce >>--

[techskip]

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I would love to see a real world application for the People Mover I question how long of a trip that would be to go from station to park!

[evmo]

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While the high speed rail could be a good idea in a perfect world I just don't see it happening. We can't even get BART into San Jose from Fremont for christ's sake. How the heck is a state of the art bullet train from San Jose to LA EVER going realistically happen? Besides, a plane ticket to LA from the Bay Area is dirt cheap and faster than this new train would be anyway.

I think they should worry about putting something on the people mover track they already have as opposed to spending money designing a system for a train that may never exist.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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Actually when you factor in security checks and preboarding, plus getting in and out of the airports on both sides, San Jose to Anaheim might be faster on HSR than flying.

[Tomorrowland_1967]

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If they can get you from ARTIC to the Long Beach Cruise Line Terminal on an Amtrak or Metrolink train, and then a more direct connection via a dedicated regional light-rail system, that's a far more realistic and therefore better reason to build the connector.

--<< Bruce >>--

That's a big rigmarole path to go .. since the Amtrak/Metrolink track makes a direct path into downtown LA (kinda the same route for the Santa Ana 5 freeway) .. then .. passengers would then have to board the RED line subway - get off at the 7th Street/Figueroa station .. and THEN .. connect to the BLUE line which will take you through some "lovely" neighborhoods south to Long Beach.

Not exactly feasible.

A line would have to be built that would run due west .. from Anaheim .. straight into Long Beach.

[evmo]

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Actually when you factor in security checks and preboarding, plus getting in and out of the airports on both sides, San Jose to Anaheim might be faster on HSR than flying.

This is no CalTrain, don't think for a second that these won't exist on this new high speed rail line. I would imagine getting through the station will be very similar to what you go through in the airports. Besides, I never get held up in security lines when I fly to places like LA and Vegas anymore, I can go from the drop off to the gate in 20 minutes easy.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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What if we let you park your Kawasaki on the train, will you come then?

[evmo]

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What if we let you park your Kawasaki on the train, will you come then?

Why would I take a train when I can have a 110hp 600cc motor screaming between my legs??

Gas to LA on my Kawi is less than $20.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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We'll get you and your bike to Anaheim in 90 minutes.

[evmo]

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We'll get you and your bike to Anaheim in 90 minutes.

A big part of any vacation for me is the journey there and back.

Spending a glorious day carving canyons and redlining the motor on deserted straightaways sounds like a much better way of getting to Anaheim for someone like myself. I've got an entire route to socal that doesn't use 5 or 101 at all. Granted my route takes about 6-8 hours depending on stops speed ect.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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OK I think I know someone else who will use your HSR ticket. I tried!

[Bruce Bergman]

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Why would I take a train when I can have a 110hp 600cc motor screaming between my legs??

Gas to LA on my Kawi is less than $20.

Yeah, but burning up $20 worth of gas on a bike involves about 4 hours of 1500% intense concentration on the road, the weather, and every other vehicle within 500 feet, unless you want to be a road pizza. And there are only two types of street bike riders, the ones that have wiped out (or been wiped out by a car) bad enough to land in the hospital, and those that haven't... Yet.

Have had front-row witness experience three times in the family. And the last time he was on a Kawasaki 1100 Police Special with that funny black and white paint job... (On duty, of course.)

Evmo is right, it's Post 9/11 so there will be some security geting on the train, almost has to be. Probably not as intense as at an airport but it's not going to be drama free.

Tommorrowland_1967 - Running a light rail line due west from ARTIC to Long Beach would work, or make a spur line from the Blue Line and send it East along the same alignment, same difference. Only trick is finding a route with very moderate grades, trolleys do better than trains on hills but you still want to restrict the grade to 2% or 3%.

One huge problem with making a properly integrated transit system (again) is that each of the various light rail systems inside Los Angeles County all have slightly different train systems, other than the rail gauge they are for the most part not inter-operable.

You can't just turn back the clock to the Pacific Electric and L.A. Railway days and make a "Special" train that can go straight from the Harbor to Union Station on Blue and Red Line tracks, and then all the way out to Monrovia on the Gold Line ROW, because the signaling or catenary voltage or automatic stop systems (or a dozen other little things) are different.

They forgot the rule "Specialization is for insects." You want to accomplish new and varied tasks easily and quickly, you have to be a generalist. And they wrote standards for a reason.

--<< Bruce >>--

[techskip]

Re: Elevated Peoplemover System from the Pond/Rail Station to Disneyland

They forgot the rule "Specialization is for insects." You want to accomplish new and varied tasks easily and quickly, you have to be a generalist. And they wrote standards for a reason.

--<< Bruce >>--

They are just now learning what the Railroad industry learned generations ago... KISS... Keep it Simple Stupid!.. I can't tell you how often the specialized stuff sent to the Marines didn't work because the overly complicated thigimabob didn't connect just right to the wire on the dohiky and then the thigimijig didn't line up with the whatchamacolic... in English the designer made it too easy to fail! Meanwhile the phone bought right before Korea still works great... takes two D-Cell batteries... 1 up, 1 down.. doesn't matter which is which!

[Mojave]

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What percentage of DLR guests are local, what percentage are regional and what are distant?

A HSR network will not help local guests in the slightest. All those guests from Santa Barbara to San Diego will still come by car. It also won't help distant guests where air travel is the most convenient. Ultimately, it will only be good for those from San Francisco, San Jose, Las Vegas and Phoenix (and it doesn't even go here).

Don't get me wrong, I love the concept, I just don't see the practicality.