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  • timbabbcomedian
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Originally posted by Eagleman View Post
    I think I have.....
    It's still is and only my OPINION!
    Is find the way it is without 3-D
    ( I have made that very clear)
    I do think the film they useing is worn needs replace
    with a new ones.....and that it!

    I just feel impovements is not alway's a good thing!

    Again there are already many attraction in 3-D already!
    That is very clear!
    I think the question that you seem to be avoiding is: "WHY 3-D would make it worse and not better?"

    THAT is what you've been less than clear about

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  • Eagleman
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Originally posted by WDITrent View Post
    Eagleman, I don't want this to seem brusque, but you might consider rephrasing some of your posts, just for clarity. That might play a factor in getting your points across.
    I think I have.....
    It's still is and only my OPINION!
    Is find the way it is without 3-D
    ( I have made that very clear)
    I do think the film they useing is worn needs replace
    with a new ones.....and that it!

    I just feel impovements is not alway's a good thing!

    Again there are already many attraction in 3-D already!
    That is very clear!

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  • WDITrent
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Eagleman, I don't want this to seem brusque, but you might consider rephrasing some of your posts, just for clarity. That might play a factor in getting your points across.

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  • BoogaFrito
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    Yes. See the Wikipedia article and its citations for the IMAX 3D technology.
    But does it translate to OmniMax?

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  • Eagleman
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Originally posted by WestsideCM99 View Post
    IMAX movies tend to have a low quality lifespan due to the fact that it uses a special 70mm film put together into massive reels. Unless the film is kept clean and is never put at risk for de-magnetization the film quality could progressively go down the drain much faster than standard 35mm formats. Unfortunately digital technology has been resisted by many IMAX concept designers and as of today there still isnt a digital projector prototype to be found yet.

    Specifically in the case of Soarin in DCA the film suffers from major image clarity issues caused by strobing, the brightness of the film has deminished alot since SoC opened probably due to the film getting dirty and progressively burned by the concentrated light from the projector lamp tube (it's a huge lamp). In particular the San Diego scene the sky looks like it is pre-dawn when on opening day it looked like maybe 9am and sunny, with a hint of fog. And now the fog seems to blend in with the daylight making San Diego look like it's under attack by wildfires again.

    There is a current IMAX 3D format that seems to be progressing faster than digital HD is, however both would cost Disney a good chunk of change with Digital HD costing less to maintain should in the next 2 years we see a digital projector technology introduced.. hopefully Disney will have the entrapaneurship to try to invent this technology itself and not depend on the IMAX engineers instead.
    I do ageed YOU with Soarin' Over California film is not same as it was when they opening >for the reason you share above....and for the clarity
    is poor...and it does lose alot in watching it!

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  • WestsideCM99
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    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    Did the video quality really degrade or has our expecation of video quality just increased so much?

    I guess making the projection digital would get rid of the imperfections on the screen but Ive only been on three seperate occasions so I cant really remember if it was clearer in 2002 or not.
    IMAX movies tend to have a low quality lifespan due to the fact that it uses a special 70mm film put together into massive reels. Unless the film is kept clean and is never put at risk for de-magnetization the film quality could progressively go down the drain much faster than standard 35mm formats. Unfortunately digital technology has been resisted by many IMAX concept designers and as of today there still isnt a digital projector prototype to be found yet.

    Specifically in the case of Soarin in DCA the film suffers from major image clarity issues caused by strobing, the brightness of the film has deminished alot since SoC opened probably due to the film getting dirty and progressively burned by the concentrated light from the projector lamp tube (it's a huge lamp). In particular the San Diego scene the sky looks like it is pre-dawn when on opening day it looked like maybe 9am and sunny, with a hint of fog. And now the fog seems to blend in with the daylight making San Diego look like it's under attack by wildfires again.

    There is a current IMAX 3D format that seems to be progressing faster than digital HD is, however both would cost Disney a good chunk of change with Digital HD costing less to maintain should in the next 2 years we see a digital projector technology introduced.. hopefully Disney will have the entrapaneurship to try to invent this technology itself and not depend on the IMAX engineers instead.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Yea. Soarin' was done in IMAX HD.

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  • Eagleman
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    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    Yes. See the Wikipedia article and its citations for the IMAX 3D technology.
    I read what you sent to me over Wikipedia great information !

    What I got out of it that HD is better than 3 - D when comes to
    the Information you sent...on IMAX!
    Funny it also share about Soarin' Over California and was done in HD!
    Did I read that right?
    Last edited by Eagleman; 11-10-2009, 12:47 PM.

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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Originally posted by Eagleman View Post
    I a question:
    Have there been any IMAX film done in 3-D ?
    Yes. See the Wikipedia article and its citations for the IMAX 3D technology.

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  • Eagleman
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    I a question:
    Have there been any IMAX film done in 3-D ?

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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    Did the video quality really degrade or has our expecation of video quality just increased so much?

    I guess making the projection digital would get rid of the imperfections on the screen but Ive only been on three seperate occasions so I cant really remember if it was clearer in 2002 or not.

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  • WestsideCM99
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    When Soarin first opened the movie quality was fantastic and thus the perception that 3D would have made a huge difference in the ride quality probably wan't that great to justify the cost. What TDA needs to do now is ride it themselves to see how much the quality of the film as deminished and somehow try to remaster it. However if there is a new 'World' version of the ride planned I would hope that at the least they upgrade the projectors and cameras to the highest Hi Def standards to sustain the quality of the movie. Adding 3D would be nice but perhaps not necessary if the film upgraded to a more advanced digital format.

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  • simba
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    Soarin (the current film or new film) in 3D would be INCREDIBLE. The effect is already great, but putting it in 3D... the "wow" factor would be through the roof.

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  • Eagleman
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    Originally posted by WDITrent View Post
    Eagleman, what is it about 3D that you think will ruin the ride? I believe this is the unanswered question Datameister has been asking.
    I did anwer the question,
    There is alot's attraction's already in 3-D !
    I think it's well done in imax.....
    To mush 3-D is not good for the eye's any way!
    Mostly - To mush can be to MUSH......!
    Last edited by Eagleman; 11-10-2009, 12:45 PM.

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  • WDITrent
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    Eagleman, what is it about 3D that you think will ruin the ride? I believe this is the unanswered question Datameister has been asking.

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  • Eagleman
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    Originally posted by Datameister View Post
    I never suggested you were the only one with that opinion - I didn't even try to tell you that you were wrong or anything like that. I was just hoping you'd explain what you meant a bit more, since you were the most recent one to say it. I agree that Soarin' is great without 3D...but that doesn't mean 3D wouldn't be an improvement. Pirates would still be great without the big battle scene between the ship and the town, for instance, but that doesn't mean they may as well have not included it.
    Thank You for your last comment
    I seen your work and I have say I like them!
    I see your point you would like see thing's improve and I think there
    is alot to it with Disneyland and Disney Parks that needs
    improvement.
    Most of time I would agreed with you!
    But not in this case...ther is a old term I know you have hear
    If not broke why fix it.....
    I have seen to many time how Disney make things better
    and srew it up bad.......
    And I know you have too!.....and that my point!

    Question: what part in the show you like...?
    I like the ending the best ........with the fireworks at
    Disneyland..

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  • Drum-&-Train
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    You can experience it in 3-D today!!! and its free!

    There's these simple paper glasses that dims the light going into one eye slowing down the image than the other eye that's getting more light. When an object on the t.v. screen moves side to side it appears to be 3-d. It works great watching football or basketball on t.v. You can find these glasses here for free at

    Pulfrich 3D Glasses

    (only if you get one, it's free.)

    You can also try taking a pair of light shaded sunglasses and pop off one of the lenses. That gives a 3-d appearance too but its darker and the contrast is too strong.

    It may seem silly but i have tried the actual paper glasses on the ride and it works for most of the scenes.

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  • disneyfann121
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    Originally posted by Madame_Leota View Post
    I wish I could go on Spiderman, it sounds awesome.
    Yeah, it is awesome. Don't miss it if you ever visit Florida. I would definitely place it on a list of my all time top ten theme park rides.

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  • FREQDUDE
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    Spoke with my brother-in-law about this not too long ago, he designed the ride, and here was his answer in a nutshell. Number one, 3D on a curved screen would be too difficult to spend money on. Number two, you would have to reshoot the film with the 3D camera setup, less the digital enhancements (golf ball, hang gliders (yes, they are added digitally)), also talking money. FYI- they crashed a helicopter during the original filming, lots more money. Number three, the suits don't want to spend the money.
    We discussed this for quite a long time and he filled me in on many little bits of stuff. I could talk with him for hours. Based on our conversations, I am REALLY looking forward to CarsLand.

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  • Datameister
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    Re: Soarin' Over California - 3D

    I never suggested you were the only one with that opinion - I didn't even try to tell you that you were wrong or anything like that. I was just hoping you'd explain what you meant a bit more, since you were the most recent one to say it. I agree that Soarin' is great without 3D...but that doesn't mean 3D wouldn't be an improvement. Pirates would still be great without the big battle scene between the ship and the town, for instance, but that doesn't mean they may as well have not included it.

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