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  • [Chat] Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

    This is not an actual idea. Just for fun! If money were not a problem at all would the best way to fix DCA be to destroy it and rebuild a new version of it or a completely new theme park? Your thoughts?
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    • #3
      Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

      only destroy and rebuild PP.

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      • #4
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        Well, if that's it then I guess we'll have to take it!

        --Mike

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        • #5
          Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

          well yeah if money were no issue at all
          and they could rebuild the park overnight
          then yeah tear it down! :lol:
          Originally posted by JungleCruiseFan
          You know what they say- The party don't start 'til Jordon walks in.
          Originally posted by penguinsoda

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          • #6
            Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

            Well after you get somewhere around $10-15 billion, remove DCA and the 3 Hotels the ideal resort would be something like:
            • A New Disneyland Hotel where the current bus roundabouts are.
            • Destruction of the hotels on Harbor Blvd and Disney purchases Gardenwalk
            • Disney builds new transportation center where the Howard Johnson and Fairfield are right now with a walkway acorss Harbor Blvd to the parks
            • A hotel similar to Tokyo Disneyland's Ambassador Hotel by the Garden Walk with a walkway and busses to the parks.
            • A new 14,000 spot parking structure across Harbor Blvd with walkway to parks
            • A new massive theme park with a layout similar to Tokyo DisneySea's (water ways) themed to legends and myths with a plenty of original attractions and some movie based attractions as well
            • Disney buys the Convention Center and the hotels surrounding it and makes a new convention center at towards the end of Downtown Disney with new partner hotels (Hilton, Sheraton, Marriott)
            • Make the esplanade much larger with a fountain between the two parks.

            Don't blame a guy for dreaming...

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            • #7
              Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

              My thought is I've seen this same thread 10 million times. Perhaps we should bulldoze IT.

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              • #8
                Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                hey we don't blame you

                i like the parking lot idea
                and the fountain between the two parks
                that would be really cool
                Originally posted by JungleCruiseFan
                You know what they say- The party don't start 'til Jordon walks in.
                Originally posted by penguinsoda

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                • #9
                  Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                  I never understood who the target audience for DCA is. Whether you're a resident or tourist, the real California is all around DCA, so what do you need a fake one for? It seems like DCA would have been more appropriate for one of the overseas parks, so that people there could get a taste of California without paying the cost of actually going to California. There was once a concept for a small Chinatown within Disneyland, which I think would make an interesting addition. The flip side of course, would be having a "California Land" in one of the parks in Tokyo or Hong Kong. But to have one in Anaheim still seems odd. Would you build a "Disney's France Adventure" in Paris?

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                    Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                    Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
                    I never understood who the target audience for DCA is. Whether you're a resident or tourist, the real California is all around DCA, so what do you need a fake one for? It seems like DCA would have been more appropriate for one of the overseas parks, so that people there could get a taste of California without paying the cost of actually going to California. There was once a concept for a small Chinatown within Disneyland, which I think would make an interesting addition. The flip side of course, would be having a "California Land" in one of the parks in Tokyo or Hong Kong. But to have one in Anaheim still seems odd. Would you build a "Disney's France Adventure" in Paris?
                    This is an old, dead horse but let's beat it just a little more.

                    Bob, I couldn't agree with you more. I have never been able to understand the original concept either. I get that they wanted to build a second park to make Anaheim more of a tourist/extended stay destination. But it came right down to it they built something on the cheap, with off-the-shelf unimaginative attractions because the Parks leadership at that time, Mr. Pressler and Ms. Harris, saw the whole are as nothing more than a glorified shopping mall.

                    And after the paying public saw it for what it was, it became a very expensive fix.

                    Ironically, after all the emphasis on making it an extended-stay resort, they've put as much or more emphasis on AP's, 2-fers and the like, and getting repeat one-or-two-day visits from locals.
                    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                      Yes, I realize this is a dead horse and people here are probably completely sick of talking about it. But since they are in the process of expanding it what about the possiblity of repackaging the whole park with a new concept? Is adding Radiator Springs Racers, The Little Mermaid and World of Color really enough to make the park as successful as they want it to be?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                        My thoughts on whether or not the California concept is valid have varied, Bob and Barry. I think my current opinion is that a California theme could have worked splendidly - specifically, one that didn't seek to cheaply replicate famous landmarks, fill valuable space with restaurants and shops instead of engaging attractions, and focus more on the experiences one can easily have within the state today.

                        The DLR's second gate should have been the perfect California-specific corollary to Disneyland - here you leave today and enter the California of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy. Not that every land and attraction should have been duplicated in Californian form or anything like that, but the overall approach should have been the same. You provide immersive experiences that people cannot safely and conveniently have anywhere else, focusing on California's rich past, the spirit of innovation that's constantly building a new future, and all the mythology that surrounds the state. That's not to say that the present would have to be entirely neglected - clearly, Soarin' embraces a realistic look at modern times and justly brings in a lot of excited guests. But when Disney was originally designing and building DCA, the emphasis should have been on creating a framework that would allow the later construction of countless fun, unique adventures in the history, future, and mythology of the golden state. That would have clearly differentiated it from the authentic but necessarily realistic experiences that guests can have in the "real world" of California.

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                          Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                          Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
                          Yes, I realize this is a dead horse and people here are probably completely sick of talking about it. But since they are in the process of expanding it what about the possiblity of repackaging the whole park with a new concept? Is adding Radiator Springs Racers, The Little Mermaid and World of Color really enough to make the park as successful as they want it to be?
                          Those aren't the only changes, of course. I think over time that is exactly what they are doing, and I think the name of the park should and will eventually change.

                          It just shows you how expensive and time-consuming the "fix" is, when you build something unimiganitive and on the cheap, the first time.

                          Once upon a time, we were getting "Westcot". If I had to give up Disneyland's old parking lot, I would rather they had built that.

                          But that's in the past, so we do our best to embrace what is now and to come, and move on.
                          God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                            Can someone please start the discussion regarding Carsland and whether it is in California? It has been months since we have had one, and I don't we should deprive ourselves of that gem.
                            Originally posted by SummerInFL
                            Jesus, even I wouldn't eat that.

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                              Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                              Originally posted by Datameister View Post
                              My thoughts on whether or not the California concept is valid have varied, Bob and Barry. I think my current opinion is that a California theme could have worked splendidly - specifically, one that didn't seek to cheaply replicate famous landmarks, fill valuable space with restaurants and shops instead of engaging attractions, and focus more on the experiences one can easily have within the state today.

                              The DLR's second gate should have been the perfect California-specific corollary to Disneyland - here you leave today and enter the California of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy. Not that every land and attraction should have been duplicated in Californian form or anything like that, but the overall approach should have been the same. You provide immersive experiences that people cannot safely and conveniently have anywhere else, focusing on California's rich past, the spirit of innovation that's constantly building a new future, and all the mythology that surrounds the state. That's not to say that the present would have to be entirely neglected - clearly, Soarin' embraces a realistic look at modern times and justly brings in a lot of excited guests. But when Disney was originally designing and building DCA, the emphasis should have been on creating a framework that would allow the later construction of countless fun, unique adventures in the history, future, and mythology of the golden state. That would have clearly differentiated it from the authentic but necessarily realistic experiences that guests can have in the "real world" of California.
                              I vote for this.

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                              • #16
                                Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                                Originally posted by mousechild View Post
                                Can someone please start the discussion regarding Carsland and whether it is in California? It has been months since we have had one, and I don't we should deprive ourselves of that gem.
                                Personally, I'd be more interested in hearing from someone who thinks other posters are wasting their time and thus decides to waste his/her own time by telling them that, preferably with some unpleasant form of sarcasm. I've really been missing those.

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                                  Originally posted by Datameister View Post
                                  But when Disney was originally designing and building DCA, the emphasis should have been on creating a framework that would allow the later construction of countless fun, unique adventures in the history, future, and mythology of the golden state. That would have clearly differentiated it from the authentic but necessarily realistic experiences that guests can have in the "real world" of California.
                                  You'd think that after 40-plus years of theme park experience at that point, they would have handled it that way.

                                  Alas, they didn't because of the short-sighted management of that time, and again they are paying - dearly.
                                  God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                                    I posted this in another thread yesterday, but I think it applies here.

                                    "Fantasy" DCA entrance:

                                    Taking up a portion of current esplanade, over where the current DCA entrance is and the Soarin' building as well as a portion of the Hollywood pictures backlot area would be The Disneyland Resort Hotel, and would be built in a Mediterranean Revival style.



                                    image from City of Pasadena

                                    The hotel and entrance area would rap around a large(main) lagoon to be constructed where the current 'hub cap' plaza area and the It's Tough to be A Bug theater, as well as portions of Grizzly Peak. The first floors of the hotel on the DCA side would contain shops and restaurant locations, with the entire area reminiscent of Catalina Island. A scale recreation of the 'Casino' would be located in this area.



                                    image from The Official Catalina Island Website

                                    To the right as one enters the park would be an expanded and relocated version of the Pacific Wharf, Turtle Talk and a smalled version of the Seas from Epcot would be located here, along with the current Tours. Downtown Disney would be located roughly where it is currently, behind this area. The architecture in the area would act as a transition between a 1920's/1930's Mediterranean coastal feel from the entrance plaza and hotel to an 1800's San Francisco motif.

                                    The Seas facade would be based on the Monterey Bay aquarium:


                                    From Monterey Bay Aquarium - EHDD - Great Buildings Online

                                    The San Francisco area would take up the entirety of the area from the RedWood Creek Challenge Trail to the current World of Color viewing area and would rap around the main lagoon. Located here would be a 1906 San Francisco Earthquake attraction, as well as a version of Mystic Manor from Hong Kong Disneyland. "Mystic Manor" would act as a transition to a "Discoveryland" area, located where the current Pacific Wharf/Paradise Pier entrance is, all the way up to the Screamin'/TSMM Area. Located here could be any of the planned Discovery Bay concepts from Disneylands past. Think Steampunk San Francisco, edgy, wild and untamed. The main path through this area would feed guests into the a new Grizzly Peak area, to be built on the current Timon lot, on the opposite side of the main lagoon.


                                    image from Jim Hill : Let's take a trip to "The Island at the Top of the World"

                                    The Grizzly roller coaster, also from Hong Kong Disneyland(a rethemed Expedition Everest) would replace Grizzly River Run and would wrap around the new Grizzly Peak. A frontier town would be built at the base, and would include the Country Bear Jamboree from Disneyland.

                                    As guests continue through the area, they would enter a desert themed area taking up the remaining portions of Timon and the newly acquired hotels located outside the current Disney property. The E-ticket attraction here would be the Salt Flat racers, essentially a scaled down version of Radiator Springs Racers. Soarin would be relocated here as well, and with a more industrial feel, act as a transition to a much smaller Hollywood/Los Angeles area, which would complete the loop back to the the entrance plaza.

                                    Located here would be the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror and Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin. Essentially a smaller Sunset Boulevard from DHS with a toon town area. Not sure if there would be room left, but if so, then the Great Muppet Movie Ride would also reside here.

                                    My estimated cost: 4-5 billion.

                                    Attraction list:
                                    Catalina Island entrance:
                                    Shops and Restaurants
                                    Launches to Grizzly Peak and San Francisco areas.

                                    Pacific Wharf:
                                    The Seas
                                    Turtle Talk

                                    San Francisco:
                                    "Mystic Manor"-rethemed to fit the San Francisco Setting
                                    San Francisco Earthquake thrill ride
                                    Launches to Catalina Entrance and Grizzly Peak

                                    Discoveryland/Bay
                                    Fireworks Factory darkride(think Toy Story Midway Mania)
                                    Jules Verne Laboratory 3-D film

                                    Grizzly Peak:
                                    Grizzly Coaster
                                    Country Bear Jamboree

                                    Desert Area:
                                    Salt Flat Racers
                                    Soarin'

                                    Hollywoodland/Los Angeles
                                    Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin
                                    The Great Muppet Movie Ride
                                    Tower of Terror

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                                      When DCA first opened I thought that they were really limiting themselves in the theming department and as Barry has pointed out - management was very short-sighted. I couldn't understand why they didn't create something more along the lines of Disney's US Adventure. They could have done something to include some of the many great moments from U.S. history. This (to me) would have been a much better way to promote a new gate. Now that we have DCA and the fixes are on the way we can only hope for the best. I think they are making strides in the right direction ...

                                      And I also agree that the name of the park probably should and will be changed at some point in the future.

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Bulldozers. The Best Way to Fix DCA.

                                        I like the California Park, but that's just me.
                                        Yaye!

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