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  • #41
    Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

    Originally posted by dland_lover View Post
    Maybe because our's is the original one? That's the only thing I can think of. Plus I'm glad that DLR got the recognition, instead of WDW, for a change.


    EDIT: It's still not working for me. :judge:
    Didnt the WDW version open a couple months before DCA's version? If that is correct then wouldn't WDW's version be the original one?

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    • #42
      Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

      Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
      Why doesn't it? What quote from Walt can I hear today that bans the idea of a Seaside amusement park from a Disney park until the end of time?

      I would suggest too that a steel rollercoaster also has no place in Space or running down and around a mountain peak as well, but yet they are there and they are classic attractions. Disney adapted a current and thrilling technology to both entertain guests and look the part that it is trying to represent. Sounds like a Disney kind of idea to me. If it were Six flags, the supports would have been round steel columns and there would be a lot less to see around it.



      Disneyland has many examples of "rides" as well... The notion that Disney cannot for some convoluted reason contain fairground baised rides is silly! The carousel, the astro oribiter, dumbo, the teacups and the shooting gallaries all of the darkrides in Fantasyland, Roger Rabbit, Autopia, casey jr circus train, the bear jamboree and others are all examples of fairground rides or rides baised on carnival dark rides.

      Now we switch to DCA and see that Disney wanted to recreate a romanticized seaside amusement park. Paradise Pier is not a seaside amusement park but it was made to recreate it, and that makes it an experiance. I think screamin' fits into this bill very well. Had the area around its queue been themed better, and the area as a whole tied together with a cohesive environment, Screamin' would even better play its part as a piece of this environment. Now, you can tell me that they could have done better, making it a big volcano and all that, but they didn't. They chose this theme and to tell you the truth, I really like the Pier idea but they just under delivered on the placemaking around the rides they offered in the first try.

      Once they get to the placemaking, it too will be a great park.

      To conclude, the notions that Disney needs to keep adding E-tickets, neglecting all other levels of attractions can't be sustained (although this was not the destinct arguement here, I feel it relates). All of the rides mentioned from Disneyland at the beginning of this post are all staples of the park, even though they are very basic in their nature (aside from HM of course). All these elements are needed in order to keep the Disneyland Resort as a whole full of depth in its offerings, and DCA is moving very quickly in this direction.
      But the fantasyland darkrides are adventures and tell stories. There's a big difference from that and Screamin'. :bang:

      Originally posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
      Didnt the WDW version open a couple months before DCA's version? If that is correct then wouldn't WDW's version be the original one?
      I thought so, too. Maybe the idea was first developed for DCA, but Walt Disney World also got it, much like The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Adventure?

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      • #43
        Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

        Originally posted by ♥disney.princess♥ View Post
        But the fantasyland darkrides are adventures and tell stories. There's a big difference from that and Screamin'. :bang:
        What story does autopia, the astro orbiter, dumbo, casey jr., the matterhorn, the jungle cruise or space mt. tell?

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        • #44
          Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

          Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
          What story does autopia, the astro orbiter, dumbo, casey jr., the matterhorn, the jungle cruise or space mt. tell?
          They're adventures. Autopia is a unique experience where young children can drive, astro orbitor is an experience where you can ride in a rocket, dumbo, you're flying along with Dumbo, learning to have faith in yourself, Casey Jr., you get to ride in a train, even in animal cages, and see a village seperate from the outside world, the matterhorn, you get to experience a bobsledding through a mountain, and even see an abominable snowman, jungle cruise, you get to see the jungle and experience life-threatening events, space mt., you get to experience future space travel.
          What about Screamin'? What experience is it? What does it mean? I mean, there's a car with some decorations that don't mean anything, some tracks, a tunnel, it's so boring. It's not an experience, adventure, or attraction. It's a plain, boring ride. Disneyland and Disney parks are not supposed to have rides, they're supposed to have adventures, experiences, and discoveries. Soarin', TOT, Monster's Inc. all have this. Even TSM is an adventure as the size of a toy, and playing fun games with toys instead of just going on some plain rollercoaster.

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          • #45
            Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

            I picture some shy kid who never wins an award coming up slowly to accept his reward and then some lively teenager barges in and shares the award and steals the spotlight.

            DHS = teenager...


            one hundred and one

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            • #46
              Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

              Originally posted by ♥disney.princess♥ View Post
              They're adventures. Autopia is a unique experience where young children can drive, astro orbitor is an experience where you can ride in a rocket, dumbo, you're flying along with Dumbo, learning to have faith in yourself, Casey Jr., you get to ride in a train, even in animal cages, and see a village seperate from the outside world, the matterhorn, you get to experience a bobsledding through a mountain, and even see an abominable snowman, jungle cruise, you get to see the jungle and experience life-threatening events, space mt., you get to experience future space travel.
              What about Screamin'? What experience is it? What does it mean? I mean, there's a car with some decorations that don't mean anything, some tracks, a tunnel, it's so boring. It's not an experience, adventure, or attraction. It's a plain, boring ride. Disneyland and Disney parks are not supposed to have rides, they're supposed to have adventures, experiences, and discoveries. Soarin', TOT, Monster's Inc. all have this. Even TSM is an adventure as the size of a toy, and playing fun games with toys instead of just going on some plain rollercoaster.
              Your telling me that autopia is more thrilling than Screamin'? The fact that you just blatantly admitted you dont like Screamin and think its boring shows that you are biased against the ride and are here to ruin it whether or not anyone presents a valid idea against you. Just as you have used clever wording to boost what autopia and the astro orbiter really are (fairground attractions plunked into Disneyland) I too could state that "California Screamin' represents the romantic and ideal seaside amusement park rollercoaster. Shimmering white it stands offering the thrills and excitement of yesteryear with a modern twist!" Wow! that sounds great. I can experiance an old rollercoaster with modern excitement!

              The best ride to help me in my unbiased argument though is the matterhorn. It is a rollercoaster that represents boblseding down a mountain. Screamin' is a rollercoaster made to represent a rollercoaster on a seaside pier. Sure that isn't as far of a strech as a rollercoaster which is supposed to be about bobsledding down a mountain, but it still represents something its not, and it is actually quite a thrilling ride that many many many people enjoy. To say that it is just a rollercoaster is to deny all of the details such as the fake wooden look it was given, and to simply hate it. If it was installed at any other amusement park, it would just be a standard steel coaster with column supports. Sure it could have woodgrain, sure it could have trellis, sure it could have flags, sure it could have a cool loading platform, but those things are all just the details we will hopefully see as Disney makes DCA great.

              Now, I know you are all going to come and yell at me saying that it is a cop out but think about it. The idea of a seaside amusement park is very romanticied in literature and it is a dying opertunity. That is why Disney chose to immortalize it in this way. As stated though, they underdelivered, but they could still improve this area and make it amazing thematically just as they have with other areas. With some TLC, the PP are could definitly be romantic, quaint and a very enjoyable place (even though It already is enjoyable).

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              • #47
                Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                You can argue that Paradise Pier didn't belong in a Disney Park, I don't necessarily agree with that statement, but the fact is that if Disney is going to recreate a Pier, they must created with it a Classic wooden roller coaster, the iconic image of any respectable pier (That and the Ferris Wheel, Check and Check). California Screamin' is just that. It's a Steel Roller Coaster, given a fake wooden treatment to make it appear as though it is the Wooden Roller Coaster that is associated with a Pier. Just because there's no narrative doesn't mean there is no theme.
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                • #48
                  Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                  But exactly, you just said it represents an amusement park ride, which I believe don't belong in Disney theme parks, because I believe in what Disneyland was originally intended to be. I'm not saying that today Disneyland has no similar amusement park attractions, I'm just saying that, though Screamin' is a fun ride(I really enjoy the actual track of it, like the loop, turns, speed, etc.), I just wish it had something more to it, something to make it a little more interesting. I didn't mean to get in an argument with anyone, and I'm sorry if I came across that way. You put up a good argument, and I agree, some Disneyland attractions have poor themes and stories, I just feel that both parks could need some improvement. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, though. A need for improvement is important for learning.

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                  • #49
                    Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                    It would serve some people well to realize that DCA is NOT Disneyland. Alone it is a very fun family park. Admitted it has some issues, but Disney has acknowledged this and is determined to make the park an amazing experience by itself. Hence the BILLION dollar renovation. I think some people just like to complain. I hate to say it... but I've noticed it a lot on this board. Never realized people could get so pissy when talking about friggin' DISNEYLAND.

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                    • #50
                      Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                      Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
                      I too could state that "California Screamin' represents the romantic and ideal seaside amusement park rollercoaster.
                      You could, and you would be wrong. Screamin' is nothing like the wooden roller coasters of the 20's...the era that Paradise Pier is designed to evoke. The only time that Screamin' sends anyone back to is 2001. As a themed experience...it fails miserably.

                      The best ride to help me in my unbiased argument though is the matterhorn. It is a rollercoaster that represents boblseding down a mountain. Screamin' is a rollercoaster made to represent a rollercoaster on a seaside pier. Sure that isn't as far of a strech as a rollercoaster which is supposed to be about bobsledding down a mountain, but it still represents something its not, and it is actually quite a thrilling ride that many many many people enjoy. To say that it is just a rollercoaster is to deny all of the details such as the fake wooden look it was given, and to simply hate it. If it was installed at any other amusement park, it would just be a standard steel coaster with column supports.
                      The fact that you'd compare Screamin' (A rollercoaster with literally NO theming at all) to something like the Matterhorn is mind boggling. Perhaps your argument would have merit if the Matterhorn had never had all of the interior stuff added in the 70's, but we're talking about a fully themed environment on both the interior and exterior compared to a steel rollercoaster that only offers views of the tops of buildings and modern Anaheim all around it. Give me a break.

                      And the "unbiased argument" stuff is a joke. We all have viewpoints here, and they're all biased.

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                      • #51
                        Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                        Originally posted by DarkSideoftheMouse View Post
                        You can argue that Paradise Pier didn't belong in a Disney Park, I don't necessarily agree with that statement, but the fact is that if Disney is going to recreate a Pier, they must created with it a Classic wooden roller coaster, the iconic image of any respectable pier (That and the Ferris Wheel, Check and Check). California Screamin' is just that. It's a Steel Roller Coaster, given a fake wooden treatment to make it appear as though it is the Wooden Roller Coaster that is associated with a Pier. Just because there's no narrative doesn't mean there is no theme.
                        Exactly. It could have been done better, but there it is. I would assume that a real woodie would be far to expensive to both build, maintain and insure so they build Screamin' which looks the part, offers thrills and is one damn good rollercoaster.

                        Originally posted by ♥disney.princess♥ View Post
                        But exactly, you just said it represents an amusement park ride, which I believe don't belong in Disney theme parks, because I believe in what Disneyland was originally intended to be. I'm not saying that today Disneyland has no similar amusement park attractions, I'm just saying that, though Screamin' is a fun ride(I really enjoy the actual track of it, like the loop, turns, speed, etc.), I just wish it had something more to it, something to make it a little more interesting. I didn't mean to get in an argument with anyone, and I'm sorry if I came across that way. You put up a good argument, and I agree, some Disneyland attractions have poor themes and stories, I just feel that both parks could need some improvement. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, though. A need for improvement is important for learning.
                        I find that we are in agreement on the fact it can be plussed definitly (wood grain and trellises for the win!). But I just feel that after so much Screamin bashing, I had to show that it might be more in theme than people think. I would continue to fight for it in saying that it represents more than a fairground ride, but a seaside pier rollercoaster which as an icon is actually quite fameous.

                        I also think that the way the imagineers took what everyone quotes Walt on, and made it for families (the good old Disneyland is for families instead of the amusement parks he took his daughers too arguement that is). Sure the little ones cannot ride screamin or ToT but ive seen little kids run off of the FW and the OS with their parents smiling and happy. That is what Disney is trying to do, and with some plussing, I feel that PP is a great theme to do just what Walt wanted, with what it was he wanted to fix.

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                        • #52
                          Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                          Just for clarification – The category of the win is – Attraction

                          Themed Entertainment Association (TEA) Announces 16th Annual Thea Award Recipients

                          16th Annual:
                          THEA AWARDS FOR OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT (AOA)
                          ATTRACTION
                          Toy Story Midway Mania, Disney's California Adventure and Hollywood Studios at Walt Disney World, USA
                          A second award in the same category went to …………

                          ATTRACTION
                          Dragon’s Treasure Show, City of Dreams Casino, Macau

                          Past Recipients for “Attraction”:

                          15th Annual - The Simpsons Ride, Universal Studios Hollywood CA & Orlando, FL
                          14th (2008) - Shuttle Launch Experience, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
                          13th (2007) – Expedition Everest, Animal Kingdom, WDW, Florida
                          12th (2006) – Curse of DarKastle: The Ride, Busch Gardens, Williamsburg, VA
                          11th (2004) - * Revenge of the Mummy, Universal Orlando
                          * The Challenge of Tutankhamon, Walibi Belgium, StarParks Europe
                          10th (2003) * Cinema Magique, Walt Disney Studios, Disneyland Resort Paris
                          * Templo del Fuego, Universal's Port Aventura, Spain
                          * Tomb Raider: The Ride, Paramount's Kings Island, Cincinnati, Ohio
                          9th (2002) - * Animation Celebration, Universal Studios Japan
                          * Disney Animation, California Adventure
                          * Soarin' Over California, California Adventure
                          8th (2001) - * Millennium Village Event, EPCOT, WDW, Florida
                          * Pirates of the Caribbean: Battle of the Buccaneer Gold, Disney Quest, WDW, Florida
                          * Nickelodeon Flying Super Saturator, Carowinds amusement park, Charlotte South Carolina.
                          * Men in Black Alien Attack, Universal Studios, Florida
                          7th (2000) – The Stone Forest, Kunming, PR China
                          6th (1999) - * "It's Tough To Be A Bug," Animal Kingdom
                          * Journey to Atlantis, SeaWorld, Orlando
                          5th (1998) - * Ripley’s Aquarium, Myrtle Beach
                          * Star Trek: The Experience, Las Vegas Hilton
                          4th (1997) - * Terminator 2: 3D, The Battle Across Time, Universal Studios, Florida
                          * Villa Volta, Efteling, Holland
                          3rd (1996) – * Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, EPCOT
                          * Indiana Jones Adventure, The Temple of the Forbidden Eye, Disneyland
                          * Mystery Lodge, Knott�s Berry Farm
                          * Space Mountain, From The Earth to the Moon, Disneyland Paris


                          As you can see .....T.E.A. is fairly liberal on how they award themed entertainment projects from year to year. Sometimes giving the same level award to not just one but several attractions, depending on the year.



                          ALSO…………………..
                          Walt Disney Imagineering Earns Top Award from Themed Entertainment Industry
                          Last edited by Tomorrowland_1967; 11-18-2009, 02:06 PM.
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                          • #53
                            Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                            Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
                            Exactly. It could have been done better, but there it is. I would assume that a real woodie would be far to expensive to both build, maintain and insure so they build Screamin' which looks the part, offers thrills and is one damn good rollercoaster.



                            I find that we are in agreement on the fact it can be plussed definitly (wood grain and trellises for the win!). But I just feel that after so much Screamin bashing, I had to show that it might be more in theme than people think. I would continue to fight for it in saying that it represents more than a fairground ride, but a seaside pier rollercoaster which as an icon is actually quite fameous.

                            I also think that the way the imagineers took what everyone quotes Walt on, and made it for families (the good old Disneyland is for families instead of the amusement parks he took his daughers too arguement that is). Sure the little ones cannot ride screamin or ToT but ive seen little kids run off of the FW and the OS with their parents smiling and happy. That is what Disney is trying to do, and with some plussing, I feel that PP is a great theme to do just what Walt wanted, with what it was he wanted to fix.
                            Yeah, I really wondered what it was doing there before I came on MiceChat. Now that I see it really does have some theming, I appreciate it. I feel the same way about the bashing but toward Toy Story Mania, I'm sick of people bashing that, and in defending that, I forgot what makes Screamin' so special, and while trying to defend one ride I bashed another. My apologies =)

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                            • #54
                              Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                              Noticed all the conversation about Screamin', thought I would include this link as I think this person had some decent ideas about how to make the ride fit more in the theme of the overall area.

                              http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...ncept-art.html

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                              • #55
                                Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                                Originally posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
                                Didnt the WDW version open a couple months before DCA's version? If that is correct then wouldn't WDW's version be the original one?
                                It was originally developed for DCA, but towards the end of the design process, the Suits wanted it put in DHS, too. So they threw that into the works, too, but not until closer to the finish.

                                Why did theirs open first, then, you say? Simple- does theirs have this as the on-stage building?




                                With this level of detail?


                                (and remember that these are individual wood roof shingles, not some plastic vacuum-formed... thing, and it's only one small section of the dang building)

                                [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI_0XMaDb-U]YouTube - Toy Story Midway Mania! Station[/ame]
                                (video and pictures all belong to me)


                                Theirs was built into the old WWTBAM-PI! building. Not to mention the fact that our "version" wraps around, under, and through another attraction, with games and stores attached to it, in a busy section of the park, and without closing said surrounding venues (much) for construction.


                                Yeah... can you tell I'm biased towards ours? )
                                Last edited by dland_lover; 11-17-2009, 11:08 PM.

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                                • #56
                                  Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                                  Originally posted by Matterhorn Boy View Post
                                  You could, and you would be wrong. Screamin' is nothing like the wooden roller coasters of the 20's...the era that Paradise Pier is designed to evoke. The only time that Screamin' sends anyone back to is 2001. As a themed experience...it fails miserably.

                                  The fact that you'd compare Screamin' (A rollercoaster with literally NO theming at all) to something like the Matterhorn is mind boggling. Perhaps your argument would have merit if the Matterhorn had never had all of the interior stuff added in the 70's, but we're talking about a fully themed environment on both the interior and exterior compared to a steel rollercoaster that only offers views of the tops of buildings and modern Anaheim all around it. Give me a break.

                                  And the "unbiased argument" stuff is a joke. We all have viewpoints here, and they're all biased.
                                  That is the theme it was built to represent, and therefore I am actually quite right. As for the reasons I have previously mentioned, it was unfeasable to build a real woodie and therefor we got Screamin which is a great ride, that looks the part and offers a great time.

                                  You could say that screamin' has no theamin but youd be wrong, it has a support structure built to look wooden which makes it one of the parks main icons. Your right though, that can just be ignored in order to keep the arguement going.

                                  Also the date argument doesnt stand quite so strongly because that was not the exact period specified when PP was originally built, and Screamin has not yet been adressed to convert it to the new theme.

                                  I am not comparing the two rides in quality, i was just showing that they both dont have a narration, but the rides themselves represent what they are. The matterhorn is a bit more abstract but they are both rollercoasters made to represent something else. (turns out Screamin is made to represent a rollercoaster of a different style and era thematically, while being a fun ride. It sucks when context ruins an arguement doesnt it!

                                  As for those views, thats what the scream tubes are for. And Im sure Disney wanted to theme Anaheim as an ocean but DOSH blocked the flooding of 2 million homes for safety concerns.

                                  As for the "unbiased nonsense." What is more biased, a post where exadurating and the labeling of a ride as "plain boring" seems more biased then a post which defends it for its qualities, while asessing where it could be improved. I am very happy with the balance that has been struck between myself and the person who stated those things though and although we may not see eye to eye, there is an understanding there and valid points were exchanged on both sides. Speaking of unbiased, beginning an argument by stating that if someone thinks something, their wrong is a really good way to loose reliability. Unless of course its a fact such as 1+1=3 in which a definite answer can be given.
                                  Last edited by Trevor; 11-17-2009, 09:13 PM.

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                                  • #57
                                    Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                                    Lastly .. I just want to say ..... I understand and appreciate the original poster's (maybe somewhat zealous) .. but enthusiastic support of DCA. But just to be technically correct ... TEA is not recognizing DCA .... but rather a specific attraction, which happens to be in DCA.

                                    I think I have a bit of an understanding of how TEA recognizes projects around the world ... I've been personally associated with them.
                                    MY SIGNATURE:
                                    Dear Peoplemover Fans, If you want to see a new attraction that at least mimics the 1967 Peoplemover in a future Tomorrowland remodel, you need to write to the powers-that-be, and let them know. If you don't - Then the next time Tomorrowland is remodeled, you will see a land barren of any "Peoplemover" type attraction.

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                                    • #58
                                      Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                                      Originally posted by CinderellaStory View Post
                                      Noticed all the conversation about Screamin', thought I would include this link as I think this person had some decent ideas about how to make the ride fit more in the theme of the overall area.

                                      http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...ncept-art.html
                                      I posted there too.

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                                      • #59
                                        Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                                        I have not read all the "Screamin' " comments yet ....
                                        but take note TEA has recognized Soarin', and Animation ... but never Screamin'. That should say something .. especially when they hand out multiple awards in the same category.
                                        MY SIGNATURE:
                                        Dear Peoplemover Fans, If you want to see a new attraction that at least mimics the 1967 Peoplemover in a future Tomorrowland remodel, you need to write to the powers-that-be, and let them know. If you don't - Then the next time Tomorrowland is remodeled, you will see a land barren of any "Peoplemover" type attraction.

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                                        • #60
                                          Re: DCA Wins an Award!!!

                                          Originally posted by Tomorrowland_1967 View Post
                                          I have not read all the "Screamin' " comments yet ....
                                          but take note TEA has recognized Soarin', and Animation ... but never Screamin'. That should say something .. especially when they hand out multiple awards in the same category.
                                          Throughout all of the debating on this thread, nobody claimed that Screamin' was award winning, and everybody agreed that it can be improved.

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