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  • dland_lover
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    It's a really good looking roller coaster, to boot!

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    Originally posted by Tomorrowland_1967 View Post
    Thank you!
    I appreciate that.
    My friendly gesture stops short of saying that it is hopeless or themeless though because from the last few pages of this thread I have a novel on its theme in the works, and how it can and most likely will become even greater as a ride and experiance.

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  • dland_lover
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    Originally posted by BrodyDanger View Post
    Well said, DP.

    And has anyone ever BEEN on a standard wooden roller coaster... because they suck. The Giant Dipper, Grizzly, Collossus... booooring. A wooden roller coaster at DCA would be a disaster. In fact, considering that the Matterhorn was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world, you could argue that Screamin' IS appropriate for a Disney pier. I don't know... it's all opinion. It's a fun roller coaster. Not the best ride in either park by any means, but fun.
    Yeah. I've been on many woodies, and I prefer them over steel. They have so much more personality, and don't rely on going upside down, like so many steel coasters do, nowadays. Have you been on a modern woody, I wonder? Magic Mountain just built a new one, and it couldn't be described as sucky. It ROCKS!

    I really wish Disney would build a wooden roller coaster. I'd love to see how they'd develop it.

    WOW! Have we ever gotten off-topic. :razz:

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  • Tomorrowland_1967
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    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    Throughout all of the debating on this thread, nobody claimed that Screamin' was award winning, and everybody agreed that it can be improved.
    Thank you!
    I appreciate that.

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    Originally posted by Matterhorn Boy View Post
    Why was it "unfeasible"? Budget constraints? An old-fashioned woodie just wasn't hip enough for the kids? Pretty weak arguments for justifying a rollercoaster that simply doesn't belong in its themed environment.

    Other than taking the whole thing out and replacing it with a period accurate wooden roller coaster, there's no feasible way to convert it to the new theme. What you have is a modern steel rollercoaster with some wooden supports. It even lacks the one thing that for me defines a wooden rollercoaster...a chain lift. Instead it has a gimmicky "scream tube" that takes away whatever small semblance of theme those wooden supports provide.

    Funny, but perhaps they could have avoided those ugly views by building the rollercoaster away from the edge of the park?
    As just stated, wooden rollercoasters dont bring returns, they are expensive to build and maintain, and even that wouldnt quench your thirst for a flooded anahiem to provide your perfect views (get it? quench your thirst?). Now sure the launch removes the chain lift (even though there actually is one later in the ride, but I see this as a harmonizing of the two ideas where thrills are given on the ride while asthetics were attempted from the outside. It belongs thematically, it delivers thrills and lots of people love it. Lots to improve on, but the base is there and it works.

    The whole point of Screamin was to build it on the outside of the park to act as a berm btw. Thats one of the reasons it has its wooden theming, so that it is opaque. The scream tubes block the view (but could be improved) and it works. Remove the tubes, add a pretty victorian roof, some flags and voila! Once it looks across the water to paradise park, it will be even better too! Oh, and were going to have to tear down the matterhorn, ToT, the Train, the monorail and BTMRR because they all offer unsightly views of the real world and backstage too. Wrecking balls will be in thursday..

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  • Baloo
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    I have not read through the whole thread but if i remember correctly this is not the first time an attraction from DCA won a THEA award. Another one that i remember of clearly is the Animation attraction.

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  • ChessurInWonderland
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    Originally posted by BrodyDanger View Post
    Well said, DP.

    And has anyone ever BEEN on a standard wooden roller coaster... because they suck. The Giant Dipper, Grizzly, Collossus... booooring. A wooden roller coaster at DCA would be a disaster. In fact, considering that the Matterhorn was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world, you could argue that Screamin' IS appropriate for a Disney pier. I don't know... it's all opinion. It's a fun roller coaster. Not the best ride in either park by any means, but fun.
    Thanks.

    And yes, I think it's really fun, too. I think it doesn't have as much detail or story as other rides in the park, but it's one of the funnest, and it does fit in with the Paradise Pier theme.

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  • Matterhorn Boy
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    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    That is the theme it was built to represent, and therefore I am actually quite right. As for the reasons I have previously mentioned, it was unfeasable to build a real woodie and therefor we got Screamin which is a great ride, that looks the part and offers a great time.
    Why was it "unfeasible"? Budget constraints? An old-fashioned woodie just wasn't hip enough for the kids? Pretty weak arguments for justifying a rollercoaster that simply doesn't belong in its themed environment.

    Also the date argument doesnt stand quite so strongly because that was not the exact period specified when PP was originally built, and Screamin has not yet been adressed to convert it to the new theme.
    Other than taking the whole thing out and replacing it with a period accurate wooden roller coaster, there's no feasible way to convert it to the new theme. What you have is a modern steel rollercoaster with some wooden supports. It even lacks the one thing that for me defines a wooden rollercoaster...a chain lift. Instead it has a gimmicky "scream tube" that takes away whatever small semblance of theme those wooden supports provide.

    As for those views, thats what the scream tubes are for. And Im sure Disney wanted to theme Anaheim as an ocean but DOSH blocked the flooding of 2 million homes for safety concerns.
    Funny, but perhaps they could have avoided those ugly views by building the rollercoaster away from the edge of the park?

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  • BrodyDanger
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    Originally posted by ♥disney.princess♥ View Post
    Yeah, I really wondered what it was doing there before I came on MiceChat. Now that I see it really does have some theming, I appreciate it. I feel the same way about the bashing but toward Toy Story Mania, I'm sick of people bashing that, and in defending that, I forgot what makes Screamin' so special, and while trying to defend one ride I bashed another. My apologies =)
    Well said, DP.

    And has anyone ever BEEN on a standard wooden roller coaster... because they suck. The Giant Dipper, Grizzly, Collossus... booooring. A wooden roller coaster at DCA would be a disaster. In fact, considering that the Matterhorn was the first tubular steel roller coaster in the world, you could argue that Screamin' IS appropriate for a Disney pier. I don't know... it's all opinion. It's a fun roller coaster. Not the best ride in either park by any means, but fun.

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    Originally posted by Tomorrowland_1967 View Post
    I have not read all the "Screamin' " comments yet ....
    but take note TEA has recognized Soarin', and Animation ... but never Screamin'. That should say something .. especially when they hand out multiple awards in the same category.
    Throughout all of the debating on this thread, nobody claimed that Screamin' was award winning, and everybody agreed that it can be improved.

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  • Tomorrowland_1967
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    I have not read all the "Screamin' " comments yet ....
    but take note TEA has recognized Soarin', and Animation ... but never Screamin'. That should say something .. especially when they hand out multiple awards in the same category.

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    Originally posted by CinderellaStory View Post
    Noticed all the conversation about Screamin', thought I would include this link as I think this person had some decent ideas about how to make the ride fit more in the theme of the overall area.

    http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...ncept-art.html
    I posted there too.

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  • Tomorrowland_1967
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    Lastly .. I just want to say ..... I understand and appreciate the original poster's (maybe somewhat zealous) .. but enthusiastic support of DCA. But just to be technically correct ... TEA is not recognizing DCA .... but rather a specific attraction, which happens to be in DCA.

    I think I have a bit of an understanding of how TEA recognizes projects around the world ... I've been personally associated with them.

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    Originally posted by Matterhorn Boy View Post
    You could, and you would be wrong. Screamin' is nothing like the wooden roller coasters of the 20's...the era that Paradise Pier is designed to evoke. The only time that Screamin' sends anyone back to is 2001. As a themed experience...it fails miserably.

    The fact that you'd compare Screamin' (A rollercoaster with literally NO theming at all) to something like the Matterhorn is mind boggling. Perhaps your argument would have merit if the Matterhorn had never had all of the interior stuff added in the 70's, but we're talking about a fully themed environment on both the interior and exterior compared to a steel rollercoaster that only offers views of the tops of buildings and modern Anaheim all around it. Give me a break.

    And the "unbiased argument" stuff is a joke. We all have viewpoints here, and they're all biased.
    That is the theme it was built to represent, and therefore I am actually quite right. As for the reasons I have previously mentioned, it was unfeasable to build a real woodie and therefor we got Screamin which is a great ride, that looks the part and offers a great time.

    You could say that screamin' has no theamin but youd be wrong, it has a support structure built to look wooden which makes it one of the parks main icons. Your right though, that can just be ignored in order to keep the arguement going.

    Also the date argument doesnt stand quite so strongly because that was not the exact period specified when PP was originally built, and Screamin has not yet been adressed to convert it to the new theme.

    I am not comparing the two rides in quality, i was just showing that they both dont have a narration, but the rides themselves represent what they are. The matterhorn is a bit more abstract but they are both rollercoasters made to represent something else. (turns out Screamin is made to represent a rollercoaster of a different style and era thematically, while being a fun ride. It sucks when context ruins an arguement doesnt it!

    As for those views, thats what the scream tubes are for. And Im sure Disney wanted to theme Anaheim as an ocean but DOSH blocked the flooding of 2 million homes for safety concerns.

    As for the "unbiased nonsense." What is more biased, a post where exadurating and the labeling of a ride as "plain boring" seems more biased then a post which defends it for its qualities, while asessing where it could be improved. I am very happy with the balance that has been struck between myself and the person who stated those things though and although we may not see eye to eye, there is an understanding there and valid points were exchanged on both sides. Speaking of unbiased, beginning an argument by stating that if someone thinks something, their wrong is a really good way to loose reliability. Unless of course its a fact such as 1+1=3 in which a definite answer can be given.
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  • dland_lover
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    Originally posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
    Didnt the WDW version open a couple months before DCA's version? If that is correct then wouldn't WDW's version be the original one?
    It was originally developed for DCA, but towards the end of the design process, the Suits wanted it put in DHS, too. So they threw that into the works, too, but not until closer to the finish.

    Why did theirs open first, then, you say? Simple- does theirs have this as the on-stage building?




    With this level of detail?


    (and remember that these are individual wood roof shingles, not some plastic vacuum-formed... thing, and it's only one small section of the dang building)

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI_0XMaDb-U]YouTube - Toy Story Midway Mania! Station[/ame]
    (video and pictures all belong to me)


    Theirs was built into the old WWTBAM-PI! building. Not to mention the fact that our "version" wraps around, under, and through another attraction, with games and stores attached to it, in a busy section of the park, and without closing said surrounding venues (much) for construction.


    Yeah... can you tell I'm biased towards ours? )
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  • CinderellaStory
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    Noticed all the conversation about Screamin', thought I would include this link as I think this person had some decent ideas about how to make the ride fit more in the theme of the overall area.

    http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...ncept-art.html

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  • ChessurInWonderland
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    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    Exactly. It could have been done better, but there it is. I would assume that a real woodie would be far to expensive to both build, maintain and insure so they build Screamin' which looks the part, offers thrills and is one damn good rollercoaster.



    I find that we are in agreement on the fact it can be plussed definitly (wood grain and trellises for the win!). But I just feel that after so much Screamin bashing, I had to show that it might be more in theme than people think. I would continue to fight for it in saying that it represents more than a fairground ride, but a seaside pier rollercoaster which as an icon is actually quite fameous.

    I also think that the way the imagineers took what everyone quotes Walt on, and made it for families (the good old Disneyland is for families instead of the amusement parks he took his daughers too arguement that is). Sure the little ones cannot ride screamin or ToT but ive seen little kids run off of the FW and the OS with their parents smiling and happy. That is what Disney is trying to do, and with some plussing, I feel that PP is a great theme to do just what Walt wanted, with what it was he wanted to fix.
    Yeah, I really wondered what it was doing there before I came on MiceChat. Now that I see it really does have some theming, I appreciate it. I feel the same way about the bashing but toward Toy Story Mania, I'm sick of people bashing that, and in defending that, I forgot what makes Screamin' so special, and while trying to defend one ride I bashed another. My apologies =)

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  • Tomorrowland_1967
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    Just for clarification – The category of the win is – Attraction

    Themed Entertainment Association (TEA) Announces 16th Annual Thea Award Recipients

    16th Annual:
    THEA AWARDS FOR OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT (AOA)
    ATTRACTION
    Toy Story Midway Mania, Disney's California Adventure and Hollywood Studios at Walt Disney World, USA
    A second award in the same category went to …………

    ATTRACTION
    Dragon’s Treasure Show, City of Dreams Casino, Macau

    Past Recipients for “Attraction”:

    15th Annual - The Simpsons Ride, Universal Studios Hollywood CA & Orlando, FL
    14th (2008) - Shuttle Launch Experience, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
    13th (2007) – Expedition Everest, Animal Kingdom, WDW, Florida
    12th (2006) – Curse of DarKastle: The Ride, Busch Gardens, Williamsburg, VA
    11th (2004) - * Revenge of the Mummy, Universal Orlando
    * The Challenge of Tutankhamon, Walibi Belgium, StarParks Europe
    10th (2003) * Cinema Magique, Walt Disney Studios, Disneyland Resort Paris
    * Templo del Fuego, Universal's Port Aventura, Spain
    * Tomb Raider: The Ride, Paramount's Kings Island, Cincinnati, Ohio
    9th (2002) - * Animation Celebration, Universal Studios Japan
    * Disney Animation, California Adventure
    * Soarin' Over California, California Adventure
    8th (2001) - * Millennium Village Event, EPCOT, WDW, Florida
    * Pirates of the Caribbean: Battle of the Buccaneer Gold, Disney Quest, WDW, Florida
    * Nickelodeon Flying Super Saturator, Carowinds amusement park, Charlotte South Carolina.
    * Men in Black Alien Attack, Universal Studios, Florida
    7th (2000) – The Stone Forest, Kunming, PR China
    6th (1999) - * "It's Tough To Be A Bug," Animal Kingdom
    * Journey to Atlantis, SeaWorld, Orlando
    5th (1998) - * Ripley’s Aquarium, Myrtle Beach
    * Star Trek: The Experience, Las Vegas Hilton
    4th (1997) - * Terminator 2: 3D, The Battle Across Time, Universal Studios, Florida
    * Villa Volta, Efteling, Holland
    3rd (1996) – * Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, EPCOT
    * Indiana Jones Adventure, The Temple of the Forbidden Eye, Disneyland
    * Mystery Lodge, Knott�s Berry Farm
    * Space Mountain, From The Earth to the Moon, Disneyland Paris


    As you can see .....T.E.A. is fairly liberal on how they award themed entertainment projects from year to year. Sometimes giving the same level award to not just one but several attractions, depending on the year.



    ALSO…………………..
    Walt Disney Imagineering Earns Top Award from Themed Entertainment Industry
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    Originally posted by DarkSideoftheMouse View Post
    You can argue that Paradise Pier didn't belong in a Disney Park, I don't necessarily agree with that statement, but the fact is that if Disney is going to recreate a Pier, they must created with it a Classic wooden roller coaster, the iconic image of any respectable pier (That and the Ferris Wheel, Check and Check). California Screamin' is just that. It's a Steel Roller Coaster, given a fake wooden treatment to make it appear as though it is the Wooden Roller Coaster that is associated with a Pier. Just because there's no narrative doesn't mean there is no theme.
    Exactly. It could have been done better, but there it is. I would assume that a real woodie would be far to expensive to both build, maintain and insure so they build Screamin' which looks the part, offers thrills and is one damn good rollercoaster.

    Originally posted by ♥disney.princess♥ View Post
    But exactly, you just said it represents an amusement park ride, which I believe don't belong in Disney theme parks, because I believe in what Disneyland was originally intended to be. I'm not saying that today Disneyland has no similar amusement park attractions, I'm just saying that, though Screamin' is a fun ride(I really enjoy the actual track of it, like the loop, turns, speed, etc.), I just wish it had something more to it, something to make it a little more interesting. I didn't mean to get in an argument with anyone, and I'm sorry if I came across that way. You put up a good argument, and I agree, some Disneyland attractions have poor themes and stories, I just feel that both parks could need some improvement. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, though. A need for improvement is important for learning.
    I find that we are in agreement on the fact it can be plussed definitly (wood grain and trellises for the win!). But I just feel that after so much Screamin bashing, I had to show that it might be more in theme than people think. I would continue to fight for it in saying that it represents more than a fairground ride, but a seaside pier rollercoaster which as an icon is actually quite fameous.

    I also think that the way the imagineers took what everyone quotes Walt on, and made it for families (the good old Disneyland is for families instead of the amusement parks he took his daughers too arguement that is). Sure the little ones cannot ride screamin or ToT but ive seen little kids run off of the FW and the OS with their parents smiling and happy. That is what Disney is trying to do, and with some plussing, I feel that PP is a great theme to do just what Walt wanted, with what it was he wanted to fix.

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  • Matterhorn Boy
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    Originally posted by TrevorD View Post
    I too could state that "California Screamin' represents the romantic and ideal seaside amusement park rollercoaster.
    You could, and you would be wrong. Screamin' is nothing like the wooden roller coasters of the 20's...the era that Paradise Pier is designed to evoke. The only time that Screamin' sends anyone back to is 2001. As a themed experience...it fails miserably.

    The best ride to help me in my unbiased argument though is the matterhorn. It is a rollercoaster that represents boblseding down a mountain. Screamin' is a rollercoaster made to represent a rollercoaster on a seaside pier. Sure that isn't as far of a strech as a rollercoaster which is supposed to be about bobsledding down a mountain, but it still represents something its not, and it is actually quite a thrilling ride that many many many people enjoy. To say that it is just a rollercoaster is to deny all of the details such as the fake wooden look it was given, and to simply hate it. If it was installed at any other amusement park, it would just be a standard steel coaster with column supports.
    The fact that you'd compare Screamin' (A rollercoaster with literally NO theming at all) to something like the Matterhorn is mind boggling. Perhaps your argument would have merit if the Matterhorn had never had all of the interior stuff added in the 70's, but we're talking about a fully themed environment on both the interior and exterior compared to a steel rollercoaster that only offers views of the tops of buildings and modern Anaheim all around it. Give me a break.

    And the "unbiased argument" stuff is a joke. We all have viewpoints here, and they're all biased.

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