[Question] How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

[Jazziered]

I am wondering because I want to have an idea of what to expect out of a 100 million dollar ride, like the Little Mermaid. Could we get another Indy ride for that kind of money? Does anyone have the numbers on the Winnie the Pooh ride in Tokyo?

[aashee]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Wild guess; 80-85 million.

[Datameister]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

I don't have any solid numbers, so take this with several soccer-ball-sized grains of salt, but I suspect TLM will be intermediate in scale/scope/quality between Indy and Peter Pan.

[MarkTwain]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

I am wondering because I want to have an idea of what to expect out of a 100 million dollar ride, like the Little Mermaid. Could we get another Indy ride for that kind of money? Does anyone have the numbers on the Winnie the Pooh ride in Tokyo?

I've heard from Eddie Sotto himself (), who worked on the project, that the ride didn't cost more than $100 million. Keep in mind, though, that that several years ago.

These days, $100 million is a nice, solid amount for a dark ride. Monsters Inc Ride & Go Seek was $100 mil, if I remember correctly, and that turned out very well. I would expect something of about that caliber for TLM.

Wild guess; 80-85 million.

I would bet not even that much. The ride is pretty basic, hardly even featuring real AAs and using few special effects. My guess would be $60 - 70 million.

[Tomorrowland_1967]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Well .. first of all ... the dark rides in Fantasyland I consider "pint size" - All 5 of them: Snow White, Peter Pan, Pinnochio, Alice, Toad.

THEN .... rides like Indy, and Little Mermaid (said to be on the size and scale of Haunted Mansion) are in a another class of their own.

The last time Disneyland did something on the scale of Fantasyland's dark rides is Pooh in Critter Country. And from what I've read in the past ... it cost 30 million to retrofit the Country Bear Jamboree building into the dark ride .. and build out sets, and ride system.

That's 2003 dollars.

So my guess .. to do Peter Pan today would probably be in that ball park.

[Tomorrowland_1967]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Just for the hell of it:

2007 - Finding Nemo Subs (?anyone?)
2005 - Buzz Lightyear (?anyone?)
2003 - Pooh ($30m)
1998 - New Tomorrowland ($100m)
1995 - Indy ($100m)
1989 - Splash Mountain ($90)
1987 - Star Tours ($30m)
1986 - Captain EO ($20m)
1979 - Big Thunder ($15m)
1977 - Space Mountain (entire complex $22m)
1974 - America Sings ($8m)
1967 - New Tomorrowland ($23m)

[simba]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Assuming the building space was already there, and they just needed to build the ride inside and dress up the outside, I can't see Peter Pan costing more than $50M. It's small and relatively simple in terms of technology, ride system, audio, etc.

[Casey Jr]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Peter Pan would cost about 30 million today.

[ttrocc7007]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

They did a top to bottom refurb of Pan earlier this year, which even included new ride vehicles. I doubt it was anything like 100 million.

[techskip]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Better question... would Disney actually spend that much to make Pan if it was built today or would we be presented with a cheaper alternative or a different character entirely?

[skimouse]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Or, how awesomely could Peter Pan be built if you gave WDI a check for $100M and let them run with it?

I'd love to see a Pan ride where the ride vehicle was like a miniature version of Soarin'...moving along the overhead track, but with nothing between the passengers and the sets except dangling feet, and with the additional sensations of actually flying that could be created with subtle movements of the ride mechanism.

and...AA's...more capacity...longer ride...but keep the "feel" and spirit of the current ride.

Of course the problem is the current show building, not sure how that could be worked around...

[ALIASd]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

Just for the hell of it:

2007 - Finding Nemo Subs

$172 million estimated
Disneyland launches 'Finding Nemo' sub ride - USATODAY.com

[techskip]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

I read this

Or, how awesomely could Peter Pan be built if you gave WDI a check for $100M and let them run with it?

I'd love to see a Pan ride where the ride vehicle was like a miniature version of Soarin'...moving along the overhead track, but with nothing between the passengers and the sets except dangling feet, and with the additional sensations of actually flying that could be created with subtle movements of the ride mechanism.

and...AA's...more capacity...longer ride...but keep the "feel" and spirit of the current ride.

Of course the problem is the current show building, not sure how that could be worked around...

then this

$172 million estimated
Disneyland launches 'Finding Nemo' sub ride - USATODAY.com

And realized that if giving WDI $172 million couldn't produce a decent sub ride then giving them $100 million wouldn't make a good Pan ride if it was built from scratch today. We'd likely get a rehash of the Tinkerbell DVD played out on movie screens in a simulated pirate ship that reminded everyone of Star Tours.

[Nautilus]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

And realized that if giving WDI $172 million couldn't produce a decent sub ride then giving them $100 million wouldn't make a good Pan ride if it was built from scratch today. We'd likely get a rehash of the Tinkerbell DVD played out on movie screens in a simulated pirate ship that reminded everyone of Star Tours.

Of course a good chunk of that went to a complete rehab and restoration of the subs, showbuilding, lagoon, track, everything before the new Nemo stuff went in.


Plus, a couple handfuls of projectors later and you get a really high number.

[skimouse]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

And realized that if giving WDI $172 million couldn't produce a decent sub ride then giving them $100 million wouldn't make a good Pan ride if it was built from scratch today. We'd likely get a rehash of the Tinkerbell DVD played out on movie screens in a simulated pirate ship that reminded everyone of Star Tours.

It's a fair point...but...I do wonder about a couple of things:
a) If $172M (assuming it's accurate) really went to WDI, or whether it includes things like marketing expense or corporate overhead.
b) How much better WDI would perform if:

1) They were given absolutely firm budgets, as opposed to numbers that get continuously lowered by corporate bean counters
2) They were allowed to work without executive interference during the entire development process.

[techskip]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

It's a fair point...but...I do wonder about a couple of things:
a) If $172M (assuming it's accurate) really went to WDI, or whether it includes things like marketing expense or corporate overhead.
b) How much better WDI would perform if:

1) They were given absolutely firm budgets, as opposed to numbers that get continuously lowered by corporate bean counters
2) They were allowed to work without executive interference during the entire development process.

I wonder how much more could have been done if they

A) planned for the budget cuts instead of simply complaining about what everyone expected to happen

B) worked "within the box" so to speak to balance the blatant tie-in with actual creativity. For example each sub having a different Nemo character as a tour guide and telling a completely different version of "their" tour. In that respect you encourage people to ride again while marketing the more obscure characters of Nemo... bonus in both respects.

As far as I am concerned in it's current form FNSV is DOA. It is a downsized rehash of the movie in the cramped quarters of a sub complete with tiny portholes for viewing the brand new projectors. Pooh is another stunning example, what exactly is the story on that one again? Tarzan... another "missed opportunity" considering the Treehouse could have been modified to support both Swiss and Tarzan, leaving it up to the individual viewer's imagination to decide who "lived in" the place. BLAB, another stunning example... no story... just shoot at something. Somehow we are either testing a space age toy, or are toys, they really don't say.

WDI has gotten really good at rehashing movies. What they have forgotten how to do is create actual themed experiences that support richly detailed lands. Experiences that can't be found anywhere else. TSMM is great, but so was Duck Hunt in back in 1988...

[sediment]

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As far as I am concerned in it's current form FNSV is DOA. It is a downsized rehash of the movie in the cramped quarters of a sub complete with tiny portholes for viewing the brand new projectors.

I agree. I have no need to go on that attraction ever again. It joins such luminaries as IASW, HISTA, and Autopia.
Now, if my kids need to go on it, then I will endure.

[Jazziered]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

So from what I am reading, I really shouldn't expect much from TLM ride. That is sad. I mean how do they expect DCA to be great if the rides are medioric... I mean they have already made that mistake once.. I hope in this instance, that history does not repeat itself.

[GummiBears_Rock]

Re: How much do you think it would cost to build Peter Pan today?

well if they wanted peter pan to be something like Indy

then we can only "sometimes" fly