[Chat] This is me, not complaining.

[Alex E]

I'm just starting this thread because sometimes when I log in, all I see are threads complaining about this, or wanting this to come back, or save this, or they need to fix that...

Disney makes some stupid choices sometimes, sure. There are some things they do that disappoint me. But I don't care that much. I'm the consumer, not the company. I pay for the product because I still want it. Does my opinion matter? Of course it does. But unless there's a huge outrage on several different Disney forums, I don't think anyone is going to listen. They saved the Rainforest and they saved the Magic shop. Great, those were significant things that were possibly saved because of fans. But I'm so sick of everyone complaining about almost everything. I moved here to Southern California from Upstate New York nearly a year ago. We would make trips here once a year. I'd sit in my room staring out the window thinking what I'd give to spend 60 seconds in the park. I've gone over 30 times this year I think, and It's still that special. I mean sure, it's not like I'd give everything to spend one minute inside, but whenever we drive across the Orange County line, I still get a special feeling, like I'm almost there again for the first time in a year. It's going to take a lot more than plastic plates and unconfirmed rumors to make that go away.

/rant

[aashee]

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This is me, not responding.

[Alex E]

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lol oops, fixed

[BC_DisneyGeek]

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Your perspective is valid, but so are complaints. Well, not always I suppose, but you know what I mean. The tone of your thread certainly seems to be complaining about the complainers.

Forums like this tend to skew negative, imo, because people are less likely to post about how much they love Disneyland for the umpteenth time.

I'd say, even someone who seems to complain a lot, does so because they do love Disney, even if they don't always explicitly say so. That is why we're here after all, because we love Disney.

Now, can we please bring back the Adventurer's Club and do something about HISTA?

[Datameister]

Re: This is me, not complaining.

Posts like these always elicit mixed feelings from me. On the one hand, there is a LOT to be said for appreciating the park...for remembering that in spite of whatever mistakes Disney has or hasn't made, the place still holds more manmade magic per cubic foot than any other place I've ever been to. As a general life principle, I think being genuinely grateful for whatever you've got is something everyone should shoot for. In the specific case of Disneyland, I know firsthand what it's like to live hundreds of miles from the park and only get to visit once every 2-3 years. That was my life up until just a couple of years ago. The magic was so incredibly intense, and I wanted to treasure every moment spent in the parks because they were such a precious commodity. And I don't think that sort of appreciation for Disneyland should decrease just because we're fortunate enough to go more often than that. (I still only go once every 2-6 months, mind you, and it'd be less if not for the fact that some of those visits have been paid for.)

But...and it's a big "but"...I see absolutely nothing wrong with having frank conversations about what works and doesn't work in the parks. There's a difference between honestly analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of an attraction/land/park/restaurant/restroom/trash can and just whining for the sake of whining about how the theme-park-related world is coming to an end. Both happen on MiceChat, for sure, and I can appreciate frustration with the latter, but not with the former. It's possible - and, IMO, quite healthy - to have true gratitude for any opportunity to visit and enjoy the parks while still participating in respectful, intelligent discussions of our opinions.

Just my 2 cents. Speaking of which, it would be awesome if I actually got 2 cents every time someone offered their 2 cents online...

[micahglitters]

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maybe we should just re-do this thread as a positive: eveyone say something good!

the xmas wreaths in new orleans square are beautiful!

[SnorkletsMom]

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this is me, noticing that in your post about not complaining, you too complained.

"But I'm so sick of everyone complaining about almost everything"

so there you go. Everyone's got a complaint. Not that I'm complaining about that. :-)

[Eagleman]

Re: This is me, not complaining.

Posts like these always elicit mixed feelings from me. On the one hand, there is a LOT to be said for appreciating the park...for remembering that in spite of whatever mistakes Disney has or hasn't made, the place still holds more manmade magic per cubic foot than any other place I've ever been to. As a general life principle, I think being genuinely grateful for whatever you've got is something everyone should shoot for. In the specific case of Disneyland, I know firsthand what it's like to live hundreds of miles from the park and only get to visit once every 2-3 years. That was my life up until just a couple of years ago. The magic was so incredibly intense, and I wanted to treasure every moment spent in the parks because they were such a precious commodity. And I don't think that sort of appreciation for Disneyland should decrease just because we're fortunate enough to go more often than that. (I still only go once every 2-6 months, mind you, and it'd be less if not for the fact that some of those visits have been paid for.)

But...and it's a big "but"...I see absolutely nothing wrong with having frank conversations about what works and doesn't work in the parks. There's a difference between honestly analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of an attraction/land/park/restaurant/restroom/trash can and just whining for the sake of whining about how the theme-park-related world is coming to an end. Both happen on MiceChat, for sure, and I can appreciate frustration with the latter, but not with the former. It's possible - and, IMO, quite healthy - to have true gratitude for any opportunity to visit and enjoy the parks while still participating in respectful, intelligent discussions of our opinions.

Just my 2 cents. Speaking of which, it would be awesome if I actually got 2 cents every time someone offered their 2 cents online...

Hey I give you 1 1/2 cents ,you still want more?

[The Forbidden Eye]

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Everyone has different views on things that we see at Disneyland. And I've noticed that people are either positive, negative or neutral. It's common to find someone who doesn't like whats there at Disneyland becuase of thematic and show value it has to it's location.

To make things easier to understand: Everyone loves Disney in their own unique way. And thats really shown with Disneyland.

The people that i've seen on these boards have their own opinions on Disneyland today and I respect them.

As Data said, we can all get a little carried away on things like new rides and enhancements that tend to have mixed reviews. Not to mention talking about the things at Disneyland that shouldn't have left the park. How many people have yearned for the return of the Skyway? Peoplemover? Mine Train through Natures Wonderland? Well, I say theres plenty of those people on here because those things were what made Disneyland unique and they left an impact on their lives and wanted their children to experience it. And now with them gone, all that they can do, is to tell them their experience with Disneyland as children.

And we have people that don't like certain things because they just don't fit into the themed land or ride there in. I mean, we practically have a sizable group of people that don't like Fantasmic! because of various reasons. They typically have their own reasons for not liking it and putting their opinion on here on Micechat is just a way of saying: "I wish this was never planned.". And when Small World returned with the new Disney Characters. That drew a lot of anger here on Micechat.

And there were things that was first hated, but then was eventually liked once it opened. Like when they added Jack Sparrow to POTC. People didn't like it at first but then accepted it when they saw that it was in fact, an enhancement and not a complete change of the ride.

For everyone though, Disneyland is a place where we can call home anytime of the week. Even if there are some things that fit or don't. For most, we have that luxury of going there anytime because we are not far from there. For others, it's always a special trip because they don't go there often (like Data) and things ususally change between there recent and current trip.

As for me. Well, I don't mind what they do to DL as long as they don't overdo it (like they are putting Pixar stuff into DCA). As Walt said "As long as there is Imagination left in the World, Disneyland will never be complete."

[DLandFansAZ]

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You can please all of the people some of the time,
some of the people all of the time,
but never all of the people all of the time.

Heck, we can't even agree to disagree on this board (or any others) for that matter, so there is no way Disney is going to ever win this battle. There will always be someone that likes and someone that dislikes everything that Disney does. Everyone has a better idea, concept or thought and MiceChat gives them a place to throw their ideas out to a group of fans. I think everyone here could take just about every ride in the park and give you something they think would plus the show.

[Datameister]

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And there were things that was first hated, but then was eventually liked once it opened. Like when they added Jack Sparrow to POTC. People didn't like it at first but then accepted it when they saw that it was in fact, an enhancement and not a complete change of the ride.

Speak for yourself...

[Eagleman]

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this is me, noticing that in your post about not complaining, you too complained.

"But I'm so sick of everyone complaining about almost everything"

so there you go. Everyone's got a complaint. Not that I'm complaining about that. :-)

That was good! LOL

[micahglitters]

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nice things??? anyone?

[Alex E]

Re: This is me, not complaining.

Posts like these always elicit mixed feelings from me. On the one hand, there is a LOT to be said for appreciating the park...for remembering that in spite of whatever mistakes Disney has or hasn't made, the place still holds more manmade magic per cubic foot than any other place I've ever been to. As a general life principle, I think being genuinely grateful for whatever you've got is something everyone should shoot for. In the specific case of Disneyland, I know firsthand what it's like to live hundreds of miles from the park and only get to visit once every 2-3 years. That was my life up until just a couple of years ago. The magic was so incredibly intense, and I wanted to treasure every moment spent in the parks because they were such a precious commodity. And I don't think that sort of appreciation for Disneyland should decrease just because we're fortunate enough to go more often than that. (I still only go once every 2-6 months, mind you, and it'd be less if not for the fact that some of those visits have been paid for.)

But...and it's a big "but"...I see absolutely nothing wrong with having frank conversations about what works and doesn't work in the parks. There's a difference between honestly analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of an attraction/land/park/restaurant/restroom/trash can and just whining for the sake of whining about how the theme-park-related world is coming to an end. Both happen on MiceChat, for sure, and I can appreciate frustration with the latter, but not with the former. It's possible - and, IMO, quite healthy - to have true gratitude for any opportunity to visit and enjoy the parks while still participating in respectful, intelligent discussions of our opinions.

Just my 2 cents. Speaking of which, it would be awesome if I actually got 2 cents every time someone offered their 2 cents online...

Well said, well said!

[Alex E]

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That was good! LOL

Erm I edited the title after I realized I contradicted myself, but it didn't seem to work.

[micahglitters]

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It's nice that the OP is such a good sport!

[DisneyIPresume]

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Alex, I hear what you're saying. But believe me, you think the park is still magical now? Back when I was young it was even more so. Sometimes I wonder if the younger crowd really understands just how special it was. Believe me, it was more magical than you can ever possibly imagine.

When I complain about something, in general it is to preserve that special magic and keep it from going away. Or I want something brought back because a big part of the magic left with it.

Believe me. If you could visit the park back then you would be amazed. It was much better by leaps and bounds than it is now. It's still good now, but back then it was much, much better.

[The Forbidden Eye]

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Speak for yourself...

LOL. So thats where you draw the line? J/K. I understand that you have your own view of the various enhacements made in the past 2-3years.

[The Forbidden Eye]

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Alex, I hear what you're saying. But believe me, you think the park is still magical now? Back when I was young it was even more so. Sometimes I wonder if the younger crowd really understands just how special it was. Believe me, it was more magical than you can ever possibly imagine.

When I complain about something, in general it is to preserve that special magic and keep it from going away. Or I want something brought back because a big part of the magic left with it.

Believe me. If you could visit the park back then you would be amazed. It was much better by leaps and bounds than it is now. It's still good now, but back then it was much, much better.

Well said DIP. Believe me, If I had the opportunity to go back in time to see the Disneyland back then, that would change my perspective on things. But it's unfortunate that people like me were born into the part of Disneyland where everything was changing so fast. And now the only way to see the Disneyland in the Past is on Youtube.

And there are reasons for things going away at DL. Wether it's rising operating costs or the need to put something else that can do better, it's bound to happen.

But I feel that they do this so that we can always dream of going back to our childhood at Disneyland even if it's been 20 or 30 years.

Ok, I'm not sure if the last 2 made sense but I hope you know what I mean.

But some of the magic that left with the departure of something isn't really gone. The magic of Disneyland doesn't just live within the rides and shows that are gone. It lives within your heart. And as long as you look back to those precious times, the magic will never fade away.

[Eagleman]

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Erm I edited the title after I realized I contradicted myself, but it didn't seem to work.

Do not worry about it.......
You know sometime we even have to laugh at our self!
What you saying does not mean you are wrong.....(to a point lol )

But I think it be more sick ,if ever one here agreed with one other or
with Disney... for we would not have to mush to chat about!

You have look at it like a DisneyFamily
.......that complaining about one other
and Disney then it not so bad!
But do not let things like this get you down!