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  • Let's Enunciate
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    Re: Somewhat confirmed but not official

    Originally posted by Monorail Man View Post
    Call me in the minority, but I like this idea, for a handful of reasons:

    First of all, it will solve the problem of parents not understanding that their children shouldn't be sitting near the edges, should make dispatches faster.

    Second, the problem with people exiting the wrong side will be gone. Those doors don't get opened.

    Third, when they close the doors, there will be no more boarding. As it stands now, they make the call, but they still have to wait if people just keep continuing to board (this is especially a problem at WDW).

    This all seems logical to me.


    I'd have to concur with you Monorail Man. As silly as this case-study sounds, (Three elderly asian women fall off Disneyland tram when one of them falls asleep. Also, the woman who suffered the fractured skull was not the one who fell asleep) the doors on the trams seem to be a feature long overdue. If one asks the elderly to walk for up to ten hours in an amusement park, especially when having to care for a child (in the case of this most recent lawsuit, the woman's niece) one must assume that as soon as they can rest their feet, said elderly person will be inclined to dreariness. Personally, I know my parents can doze off quite easily in a movie theatre. I'd have to assume that they'd easily try to catch a nap on a tram after a long day at Disneyland. I'd be shocked if this was the first case of someone falling asleep on the trams. Disneytwins noted earlier in this thread that they themselves are inclined to a little post-park nap on occasion. Frankly I'm surprised Disney hasn't rectified this potential hazard already. With all the other logical reasons that Monorail Man posted, and yours truly quoted, why haven't the doors been added? My mother and father are in their sixties and seventies respectively. I know I'd feel significantly better about attending the parks with them, knowing the trams had doors. Sure I can keep an eye on pops, making sure he doesn't nod off. However, after a long day at the big D, I might be too tired to notice.

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  • Athlonacon
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    PeopleMover... the tram has always been an inefficient and outdated method of transporting people from the parking structure to Disneyland. They needed to make it a temporary setup while the real transportation system, the Walt Disney PeopleMover, was installed. It's way more efficient and looks better as it glides overhead, and they have a captive audience for a while so they can use an in-car speaker system to announce stuff and tell people what's going on nowadays at the Resort.

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  • techskip
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    I think this will be a lot like the various station gates found on some of the attractions. Initially there was a learning curve for both the public and the CM's. People got caught in the gates. CM's didn't know how to time the opening/closing of the gates. Chaos and slow load/unload/dispatch times. Eventually a pattern emerged as more and more people went through the process. Once the majority of individuals figured it out and the bugs were worked out things went back to a normal pace. Now we have gates and for the most part don't even think about it.

    So initially I think the doors will be a delay. However in the long run I think it will be something like what Monorail Man described.

    As to the lawsuit I believe the point of contention was the speed of the vehicle and not the actions of the individual. If you read the article, the one suing was not the one who fell asleep. She is the one who grabbed the sleeping person attempting to save them and in the process also fell out (thereby hitting her head on the pavement). The injuries were initially treated at a local hospital (if I had to guess it would be St Joe's) and from the description her injuries were pretty serious. The legal question posed was in regards to the safety of traveling in a moving vehicle without doors irrespective of the speed. the trams sit pretty high up, and I've had to grab my own kids on the curve to keep them from sliding. I really think from a safety standpoint this is a good step.

    If the install point is a tent in the parking lot then I question just how many "bells and whistles" will be included in these doors. My "guess" is that this may be a "test and adjust" point and not necessarily an install point. Eventually it would be nice to have automatic doors with magnetic locks. I don't know if Disney will foot the bill for it, but from an efficiency/safety standpoint they may not have a choice.

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  • Scurvy Pirate
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    Re: Somewhat confirmed but not official

    Originally posted by Joshnyah View Post
    Someone falls out of the tram every night?

    No. Absolutely not.

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  • OC2Epcot
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    Re: Somewhat confirmed but not official [doors on trams]

    Originally posted by Monorail Man View Post
    Call me in the minority, but I like this idea, for a handful of reasons:

    First of all, it will solve the problem of parents not understanding that their children shouldn't be sitting near the edges, should make dispatches faster.

    Second, the problem with people exiting the wrong side will be gone. Those doors don't get opened.

    Third, when they close the doors, there will be no more boarding. As it stands now, they make the call, but they still have to wait if people just keep continuing to board (this is especially a problem at WDW).

    This all seems logical to me.
    These all seem logical, but it will certainly add to the time of loading and unloading trams, thus creating much longer lines. I agree with people needing to take some responsibility for their own actions. If someone falls over a railing into the water are they going to sue Disney saying the railing was tall enough, or should have been a fence?

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  • ChessurInWonderland
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    I don't think someone falls out of the tram every night or claims they do. Some people can be mean or rude, like these people who blamed Disney because they fell asleep on a moving tram and fell off, but I don't think there are people who would actually step off and say they "fell". If there are, anyway, I don't think they're all there every night.

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  • Joshnyah
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    Originally posted by salasavandy View Post
    no it is not stupid every nite there is someone that "falls" out of the tram and it does create safety issues.This wouldn't be necessary if guest would actually follow the rules.It may be inconvenient to some but its the result of others careless acts.

    Someone falls out of the tram every night?

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  • MonstersGoBoo!
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    Originally posted by salasavandy View Post
    Notice the "" with the word "fall". And there is in fact at least one person that gets off a moving tram and later says they fell. Read before judgment is passed. weither its liked or not, it is happening and if people dont like it, then park somewhere else to avoid the tram ride.
    Read before judgement is passed? Oh ok, I'm sorry that I see the good in people before the bad and I that I don't believe that everyone who goes to the parks lies and says they "fell". Stuff like that happens, but it's not as often as you think. Someone out there is also going to start complaining that a CM closed their leg, arm, hand, or foot with the door... If we're going to use your logic.

    What if the door breaks, doesn't close, or lock? Then you're stuck there at the tram stop until they fix it or until a new tram comes. Something like this is going to cause headaches for Parking CMs.

    This really has more cons than pros. It's pointless money spending for something that CAN be prevented.

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  • TacAlert
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    Originally posted by Monorail Man View Post
    Call me in the minority, but I like this idea, for a handful of reasons:
    "In the minority".....you said to call you it.

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  • salasavandy
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    Originally posted by MonstersGoBoo! View Post
    Do you actually go to the parks every night and see that someone falls off the tram? No, and I'm pretty sure if this were the case, the trams would not be running as much as they do. So, before making up something completely false please back it up with a legitimate reason.

    The idea of the doors is stupid because it'll take too long. A lot of people really don't have the patience to wait, especially after a long day of being at the parks. It takes responsibility from everyone aboard a tram to be safe, and also to follow directions. I've seen a couple times where a family sat their child on the end of the row, and a Parking CM walked right on by and didn't say a word. So before installing doors to solve a problem that can be prevented, Disney needs to really start cracking down on the safety and the guests need to be alert.

    Thank you, let me get off my soapbox now

    Notice the "" with the word "fall". And there is in fact at least one person that gets off a moving tram and later says they fell. Read before judgment is passed. weither its liked or not, it is happening and if people dont like it, then park somewhere else to avoid the tram ride.

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  • MonstersGoBoo!
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    Re: Somewhat confirmed but not official [doors on trams]

    Originally posted by salasavandy View Post
    no it is not stupid every nite there is someone that "falls" out of the tram and it does create safety issues.This wouldn't be necessary if guest would actually follow the rules.It may be inconvenient to some but its the result of others careless acts.
    Do you actually go to the parks every night and see that someone falls off the tram? No, and I'm pretty sure if this were the case, the trams would not be running as much as they do. So, before making up something completely false please back it up with a legitimate reason.

    The idea of the doors is stupid because it'll take too long. A lot of people really don't have the patience to wait, especially after a long day of being at the parks. It takes responsibility from everyone aboard a tram to be safe, and also to follow directions. I've seen a couple times where a family sat their child on the end of the row, and a Parking CM walked right on by and didn't say a word. So before installing doors to solve a problem that can be prevented, Disney needs to really start cracking down on the safety and the guests need to be alert.

    Thank you, let me get off my soapbox now

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  • dland_lover
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    This is one of the stupidest things, ever. Sheesh.

    Just install a peoplemover system, and be done with it. Get rid of the trams altogether.

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  • Quacky4Donald
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    Originally posted by DLFreak71 View Post
    true
    but no matter what language you speak
    do you always take sit next to an opening (w/ no door),
    while the vehicle is moving and decide to take a nap
    knowing (not think, knowing) that you will fall out?
    That's like sitting in the back seat of your car, opening the door, taking of your seat belt and thinking you'll be fine and never fall out while taking the nice nap (and there's no safety spiel above your car door warning you--why? common sense).
    This.

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  • DLFreak71
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    Originally posted by mac81962 View Post
    It's possible that the injured person didn't understand English and are suing Disney because they didn't give a warning in a language that the person could understand.
    true
    but no matter what language you speak
    do you always sit next to an opening (w/ no door),
    while the vehicle is moving and decide to take a nap
    knowing (not think, knowing) that you will fall out?
    That's like sitting in the back seat of your car, opening the door, taking of your seat belt and thinking you'll be fine and never fall out while taking the nice nap (and there's no safety spiel above your car door warning you--why? common sense).
    Last edited by DLFreak71; 12-23-2009, 03:23 PM.

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  • k_peek_2000
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    Originally posted by Fantasmanatic View Post
    I hope the doors automatically close and they should be sure to have a proximity sensor on them so they don't slam peoples fingers etc. At least then 90% of the doors would close and only a few would need to be closed by CM.
    I have enough problems with my garage door. That would be a nightmare.

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  • NeverNeverland
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    Originally posted by Fantasmanatic View Post
    I hope the doors automatically close and they should be sure to have a proximity sensor on them so they don't slam peoples fingers etc. At least then 90% of the doors would close and only a few would need to be closed by CM.
    OMG how much time will that add?People are dumb.

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  • ChessurInWonderland
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    All I can say is...wow. :lol:
    We usually walk when the trams too packed, like at night, after closing or fireworks.

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  • Fantasmanatic
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    I hope the doors automatically close and they should be sure to have a proximity sensor on them so they don't slam peoples fingers etc. At least then 90% of the doors would close and only a few would need to be closed by CM.

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  • Aladdin
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    adding doors would be insane.


    Now look for lawsuits from people injurying themselves because of the doors, slamming on their hands, and other body parts.

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  • mac81962
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    Originally posted by renthead09 View Post
    And how many languages are there?

    If this is true, then the tram ride just got a whole lot longer as they cover every possible language before the tram would be able to go.
    They already accomodate spanish speaking guests with every announcement in spanish as well as English. From a liability standpoint, they have set the precedent and can be held liable for not informing the injured person in a language they understand.

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