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    Does anybody know if the circular theaters are still in place at the Red Rockets Pizza Port? Or did they demolish them to put in that resteraunt?

  • #2
    Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy
    Does anybody know if the circular theaters are still in place at the Red Rockets Pizza Port? Or did they demolish them to put in that resteraunt?
    sadly I think they were demolished :\

    this is why I dislike Rocket Reds the most

    if we'd gotten Alien Encounter at least we would've gotten some nifty effects added and the theators and everything would've been kept intact
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    • #3
      The theaters are gone...One is now the Main Dining room... The other was where the serving/kitchen area is... The restaurant was going to be much more detailed with vintage TLand vehicles and pieces around it including the front car of the old monorail. The large circular ring over the dining area symbolicly represents the circular room that once existed in that spot.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jspider
        if we'd gotten Alien Encounter at least we would've gotten some nifty effects added and the theators and everything would've been kept intact
        And an unpopular show with a big operation and maintenance budget that runs at low capacity, in desperate need of a makeover... and the WDW version seemed to get no more popular, even with its recent makeover.

        Disneyland doesn't need "attractions" that suck money from the budget, need redone every 5-10 years, and don't add any real capacity because hardly anyone visits them.

        Too much has been done to try to "reuse" old facilities in Tomorrowland... It is time for bull dozers to come in and make way for new construction rather than continuing to try to reuse existing facilities.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dshimel
          And an unpopular show with a big operation and maintenance budget that runs at low capacity, in desperate need of a makeover... and the WDW version seemed to get no more popular, even with its recent makeover.

          Disneyland doesn't need "attractions" that suck money from the budget, need redone every 5-10 years, and don't add any real capacity because hardly anyone visits them.

          Too much has been done to try to "reuse" old facilities in Tomorrowland... It is time for bull dozers to come in and make way for new construction rather than continuing to try to reuse existing facilities.
          I heard that AE's problems were mostly in the fact that it scared young children and got people complaining about it

          and yes if they needed to they could have gutted teh building and tried for something else, Teleportation is still an interesting theme even if it wasn't executed right

          my main dissapointment is that they literaly gutted an attraction and replaced it witha resturant (of all the talk of Pressler doing this Rocket Reds shows it litteraly)

          Disney should've just left the Lunching Pad open, of course it's now empty after Radio Disney flopped
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jspider
            I heard that AE's problems were mostly in the fact that it scared young children and got people complaining about it
            Scaring young children was a big part of it... The other part was that it wasn't good enough for the adults... so like Rocket Jets, has no real target audience.

            They sit you in this seat... Then lock you in with an over the shoulder restraint. Then the show starts... The lights go out. The monster is loose.... Loud sound effects... vibro noise effects like those that made it feel like you are getting your hair cut in Mr. Lincoln. restraint bounces down against your shoulders, repeatedly squishing you into the chair... Lights come back on and it's over.

            Scary for kids, uncomfortable for people that dislike the dark, uncomfortable for people that don't like being trapped in a seat.... Just "engh, I guess it is okay" for most of the rest.


            The problem with Disneyland remains the lack of walkway space to move everyone around. Just adding more rides won't increase the park's capacity.

            Well, the problem is made worse by the lack of attractions in Tomorrowland right now. Hopefully that can be corrected with Buzz, Space, and subs. If those 3 attractions are hits, then another show for Red Rockets would not help long term....

            I'm still holding out hope that the law suit will be setteld and we'll get Mission:Space in place of Innoventions.

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            • #7
              I dunno, I've heard lots of teens liked the ride, and several adults also enjoyed it

              I think it depends on your taste

              I've heard stitch is far less successfull as it removes more of the audience from liking it rather then windening the ride's appeal


              anywho I do think that actualy Disneylands capacity could be raised up a bit higher then what it is now, the crowding tends to happen more around the Rivers of America then in Tomorrowland (probably because of that dead end they have in Critter Country)

              I think if the new attractions are hits we will see maybe the peoplemover return

              I do doubt the return of Rocket Reds as an attraction but it WOULD be nice, I also understand that restruant dooesn't have bathroom facilities, this is were I think it would've been wiser to use the Starcade as resturant space

              Rocket Reds would be a bit redeamable if they added more atmospheric touches or maybe some animatronic entertainment
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              • #8
                Mission Space would't be going into DL... Now enough room for 4 centrifuges and a huge empty queue.. (thanks to the efficient ride system and billions of warnings..) I would love to see the ride built.. mabey DCA.... Their is a Nasa Training center/Research center there right?? It would work.... (just jazz up the ride to be unique to california... like hmm.... a lift off and landing training cenario rather than a practice trip to mars....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by figment1986
                  Mission Space would't be going into DL... Now enough room for 4 centrifuges and a huge empty queue.. (thanks to the efficient ride system and billions of warnings..) I would love to see the ride built.. mabey DCA.... Their is a Nasa Training center/Research center there right?? It would work.... (just jazz up the ride to be unique to california... like hmm.... a lift off and landing training cenario rather than a practice trip to mars....
                  actualy there were plans for puting it were Innoventions is before the lawsuit thing was kicked up

                  you have to remeber that Innoventions is about the same size as Space Mountain in DLR

                  I really dislike the idea of Mission Space in DCA, it just wouldn't fit in thematicaly if you ask me. yes I've heard the arguement that space is connected with california but lets face it everyone thinks of the shuttles as liftoff and that's something that happens in florida not california

                  if they were going to put mission space in DCA retheme it to look totaly different and be about Spaceship 1 or something
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by figment1986
                    (just jazz up the ride to be unique to california...)
                    Like, add an avocado? That's how they make things "Californian" in the restaurant biz...
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                    • #11
                      But if you put it into the COPbuilding.. You would loose COP building... The ride would destroy it.... I would favor an original building for it....

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                      • #12
                        THey should put red rockets in the INNOVENTIONS building, and have some ride vehicles to boot. Have them revolving around, like have a couple of skyway buckets going back and forth, have the old Rocket Jets going around each table, have part of an old monorail go by simuntaneously. And for the water area outside of the building (directly underneath the INNOVENTIONS clock/sign), have it go inside: 8 yellow submarines that you can control.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jspider
                          I really dislike the idea of Mission Space in DCA, it just wouldn't fit in thematicaly if you ask me. yes I've heard the arguement that space is connected with california but lets face it everyone thinks of the shuttles as liftoff and that's something that happens in florida not california

                          if they were going to put mission space in DCA retheme it to look totaly different and be about Spaceship 1 or something
                          I think it could work in the condor flats area from a theme perspective. not sure where they would get the room though...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by figment1986
                            Mission Space would't be going into DL... Now enough room for 4 centrifuges and a huge empty queue..
                            According to Marcie at Mouseinfo, there was indeed plans to put Mission: Space into Tomorrowland where Innoventions now is. That was before the total cost of development rose to nearly half a billion dollars, and then the law suits. Of course, that cost estimate may just have been "leaked" to help with the law suit.

                            There is still a strong possibility of the ride coming to Tomorrowland if the law suit is settled in Disney's favor.


                            And, yes, that would replace Innoventions... Big whoop. The building housed 2 huge budget AA shows, neither of which lasted 15 years (CoP = 6 years (67-73) and America Sings = 14 (74-88) ). Disney is sick of redoing Tomorrowland every 10-15 years. Mission:Space is something that could be popular for many decades.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy
                              THey should put red rockets in the INNOVENTIONS building, and have some ride vehicles to boot. Have them revolving around, like have a couple of skyway buckets going back and forth, have the old Rocket Jets going around each table, have part of an old monorail go by simuntaneously. And for the water area outside of the building (directly underneath the INNOVENTIONS clock/sign), have it go inside: 8 yellow submarines that you can control.
                              And have a big giant "moonliner" rocket in the center. Maybe steal the one outside of Red Rockets. You would, of course eat inside retrofitted peoplemover cars and/or peoplemover themed tables. Maybe even sell Rocket Rod remote controll cars to remind people of that old ride.

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                              • #16
                                AE wasn't such a bad attraction. Especially in comparison to, say, the Time Keeper. Oof. I think the main problem was the X-S Tech angle. But it appeals to the same demographic as ToT, and that helps balance out the ride mix a bit.'

                                Mission:Space, on the other hand, isn't just unfortunate because it replaced one of the best Disney attractions ever. I had been to WDW January before the ride opened, and had an AP so I could return later in the year, and when I found out M:S would be opening later in the year, that confirmed that I'd be coming back. Next trip out there, I was at the Swan the first half of the trip so I could spend more time at Epcot, and get in a lot of time on M:S. The first day of my trip, I hurried over to get my FastPass, figuring it would be one of many that trip. Later, I returned and rode... and was bored to tears. The "interactivity" was a let-down. The ride itself wasn't more exciting than the old Gravitrons at a carnival. So, I guess right now, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a lengthy lawsuit.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by figment1986
                                  I would love to see the ride built.. mabey DCA.... .
                                  The Shuttle was designed in California and it lands at Edwards. KSC is the prep area for them, not the manufacturing center. True, we see it launch from there. DCA needs something else and why not use Condor Flats?
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Cousin Orville
                                    The Shuttle was designed in California and it lands at Edwards. KSC is the prep area for them, not the manufacturing center. True, we see it launch from there. DCA needs something else and why not use Condor Flats?
                                    I'd rather see something more "Californian" go there, people don't romantisize the landings (though we're glad the astronats are safe) people don't pay attention to manufacturing (I don't think there are new shuttles in our fleet, arn't we just rehashing the same old ones again and again). the most remeberd part is the countdown and liftoff

                                    I would like a tribute to Spaceship one in Condor Flats though

                                    I do think Condor flats could've been part of many things, but it's an area that's mostly sealed off and boxed in

                                    one of the big problems with DCA is the way it's land is layed you have plenty of room for adding completly new land but it'll be awkward if you ever want to expand an existing land
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Cousin Orville
                                      The Shuttle was designed in California and it lands at Edwards. KSC is the prep area for them, not the manufacturing center. True, we see it launch from there. DCA needs something else and why not use Condor Flats?
                                      MAYbe, some day in the future. But here are the three problems:
                                      1) GRR/CF, though it only has two rides, is one of the best areas of the park, largely because of the success of the theming. But it only really has room for two rides. Shoving more in would harm one of the virtues of the area.

                                      2) M:S is essentially more show than ride. HPB has one E ticket and is hoping to fool us into thinking Monsters will be a decent C. PP has one E ticket. Everything else in the park are cheap carnival rides, plus shows and exhibits. The ride mix needs dark e tickets, more water rides, maybe something like Knott's old Soap Box Racers. And, for that matter, the ride mix needs to include rides along the perimeter of the park that can double as a berm.

                                      3) It's a clone. And, unlike something like Hunny Hunt which could be used to make all manner of other rides that only share some technology, there are very limited applications for M:S. You can gussy it up all you want, make it more California, but it will be pretty obviously an M:S clone. And what we desperately need are some unique signature attractions that the OTHER parks will want to clone for a change.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy
                                        THey should put red rockets in the INNOVENTIONS building, and have some ride vehicles to boot. Have them revolving around, like have a couple of skyway buckets going back and forth, have the old Rocket Jets going around each table, have part of an old monorail go by simuntaneously. And for the water area outside of the building (directly underneath the INNOVENTIONS clock/sign), have it go inside: 8 yellow submarines that you can control.
                                        And instead of having peoplemover themed chairs/tables, have "ATOMmobile" chairs. FOr the tables, you could have a mockup of the Rocket Jets ride. Have a model Rocket Jets that goes around if you put a dime (No, not 2.75, a dime). THen if you want to get really detailed maybe you could have the peoplemovers go around. You could connect all the tables and have little mini peoplemovers go around. And for dining entertainment, have parts of the Carousel of Progress/America Sings re-created.

                                        I would definatly eat at this Red Rockets pizza port

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