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    Disneyland Lover
    Sock Puppet

  • Disneyland Lover
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    I hear that they were all torn down, except for the part on the floor that you can look down into. I hear, that flooring was just placed on top!

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  • figment1986
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  • figment1986
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    hmm.. Spaceship one themed Mission space?? in condor Flats??

    (it is different and yet not a clone..)

    I would want to see a interactive show/ride built again in tomorrowland.... heck you people got the better buzz.. (thought WDW's was the prototype..)

    How about one where Stitch gets killed in an accident and you are to be celebrating untill XS tech comes and shows off their newest teleporter and somehow your mother in law comes back!!!!(inside joke... listen to the AE audio)...)

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  • Ascendant
    Hero-in-Training

  • Ascendant
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    Yeah. I mean, I love Redd Rocket's, but I'd love it just as much on the bottom floor of Innoventions. Open up the walls around that floor to let in some light and fresh air and have a little Peoplemover come around a track to bring your food, like the little wooden boats in those Japanese resturants. They could even keep Tom Morrow as entertainment - though quieted so that he's not annoying for people who don't want to hear him. From there we have a couple options:

    1.) The Starcade machines go on the top floor. We carve a big circular skylight in the roof to shine through both floors and make the dining experience even more pleasant and airy.

    2.) The top floor houses something like the CoP (focusing more on the future than the past), a planetarium (complete with fiber optics and a huge minature model of a future city, perhaps Walt Disney's original plan for Epcot), a new loading area for the Peoplemovers. Possibly included with one of these could be the Flying Saucers ride.

    3.) We switch the floors so that Redd Rockets can be on top and the bottom can be used for any of the above, or can be included in a the E-ticket.

    Yep, A the E-Ticket using all three or three and a half of the unused buildings. Perhaps a muchly upgraded Adventure Thru Inner Space (with minor thrill spots like Pirates of the Carribean), Journey to the Center of the Earth, or some really elaborate show and story elements for the return of the Peoplemover. It would be great to make something very Atomic Age and retro-modern.

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  • mp3piratesavvy
    the subs were cool maan

  • mp3piratesavvy
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    Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy
    THey should put red rockets in the INNOVENTIONS building, and have some ride vehicles to boot. Have them revolving around, like have a couple of skyway buckets going back and forth, have the old Rocket Jets going around each table, have part of an old monorail go by simuntaneously. And for the water area outside of the building (directly underneath the INNOVENTIONS clock/sign), have it go inside: 8 yellow submarines that you can control.
    And instead of having peoplemover themed chairs/tables, have "ATOMmobile" chairs. FOr the tables, you could have a mockup of the Rocket Jets ride. Have a model Rocket Jets that goes around if you put a dime (No, not 2.75, a dime). THen if you want to get really detailed maybe you could have the peoplemovers go around. You could connect all the tables and have little mini peoplemovers go around. And for dining entertainment, have parts of the Carousel of Progress/America Sings re-created.

    I would definatly eat at this Red Rockets pizza port

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  • ModHatter
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  • ModHatter
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    Originally posted by Cousin Orville
    The Shuttle was designed in California and it lands at Edwards. KSC is the prep area for them, not the manufacturing center. True, we see it launch from there. DCA needs something else and why not use Condor Flats?
    MAYbe, some day in the future. But here are the three problems:
    1) GRR/CF, though it only has two rides, is one of the best areas of the park, largely because of the success of the theming. But it only really has room for two rides. Shoving more in would harm one of the virtues of the area.

    2) M:S is essentially more show than ride. HPB has one E ticket and is hoping to fool us into thinking Monsters will be a decent C. PP has one E ticket. Everything else in the park are cheap carnival rides, plus shows and exhibits. The ride mix needs dark e tickets, more water rides, maybe something like Knott's old Soap Box Racers. And, for that matter, the ride mix needs to include rides along the perimeter of the park that can double as a berm.

    3) It's a clone. And, unlike something like Hunny Hunt which could be used to make all manner of other rides that only share some technology, there are very limited applications for M:S. You can gussy it up all you want, make it more California, but it will be pretty obviously an M:S clone. And what we desperately need are some unique signature attractions that the OTHER parks will want to clone for a change.

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  • Jspider
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  • Jspider
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    Originally posted by Cousin Orville
    The Shuttle was designed in California and it lands at Edwards. KSC is the prep area for them, not the manufacturing center. True, we see it launch from there. DCA needs something else and why not use Condor Flats?
    I'd rather see something more "Californian" go there, people don't romantisize the landings (though we're glad the astronats are safe) people don't pay attention to manufacturing (I don't think there are new shuttles in our fleet, arn't we just rehashing the same old ones again and again). the most remeberd part is the countdown and liftoff

    I would like a tribute to Spaceship one in Condor Flats though

    I do think Condor flats could've been part of many things, but it's an area that's mostly sealed off and boxed in

    one of the big problems with DCA is the way it's land is layed you have plenty of room for adding completly new land but it'll be awkward if you ever want to expand an existing land

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  • Cousin Orville
    Boss Angeles, CA

  • Cousin Orville
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    Originally posted by figment1986
    I would love to see the ride built.. mabey DCA.... .
    The Shuttle was designed in California and it lands at Edwards. KSC is the prep area for them, not the manufacturing center. True, we see it launch from there. DCA needs something else and why not use Condor Flats?

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  • ModHatter
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  • ModHatter
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    AE wasn't such a bad attraction. Especially in comparison to, say, the Time Keeper. Oof. I think the main problem was the X-S Tech angle. But it appeals to the same demographic as ToT, and that helps balance out the ride mix a bit.'

    Mission:Space, on the other hand, isn't just unfortunate because it replaced one of the best Disney attractions ever. I had been to WDW January before the ride opened, and had an AP so I could return later in the year, and when I found out M:S would be opening later in the year, that confirmed that I'd be coming back. Next trip out there, I was at the Swan the first half of the trip so I could spend more time at Epcot, and get in a lot of time on M:S. The first day of my trip, I hurried over to get my FastPass, figuring it would be one of many that trip. Later, I returned and rode... and was bored to tears. The "interactivity" was a let-down. The ride itself wasn't more exciting than the old Gravitrons at a carnival. So, I guess right now, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a lengthy lawsuit.

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  • mp3piratesavvy
    the subs were cool maan

  • mp3piratesavvy
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    Originally posted by mp3piratesavvy
    THey should put red rockets in the INNOVENTIONS building, and have some ride vehicles to boot. Have them revolving around, like have a couple of skyway buckets going back and forth, have the old Rocket Jets going around each table, have part of an old monorail go by simuntaneously. And for the water area outside of the building (directly underneath the INNOVENTIONS clock/sign), have it go inside: 8 yellow submarines that you can control.
    And have a big giant "moonliner" rocket in the center. Maybe steal the one outside of Red Rockets. You would, of course eat inside retrofitted peoplemover cars and/or peoplemover themed tables. Maybe even sell Rocket Rod remote controll cars to remind people of that old ride.

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  • dshimel
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  • dshimel
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    Originally posted by figment1986
    Mission Space would't be going into DL... Now enough room for 4 centrifuges and a huge empty queue..
    According to Marcie at Mouseinfo, there was indeed plans to put Mission: Space into Tomorrowland where Innoventions now is. That was before the total cost of development rose to nearly half a billion dollars, and then the law suits. Of course, that cost estimate may just have been "leaked" to help with the law suit.

    There is still a strong possibility of the ride coming to Tomorrowland if the law suit is settled in Disney's favor.


    And, yes, that would replace Innoventions... Big whoop. The building housed 2 huge budget AA shows, neither of which lasted 15 years (CoP = 6 years (67-73) and America Sings = 14 (74-88) ). Disney is sick of redoing Tomorrowland every 10-15 years. Mission:Space is something that could be popular for many decades.

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  • Whatever
    I like Cheese...

  • Whatever
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    Originally posted by Jspider
    I really dislike the idea of Mission Space in DCA, it just wouldn't fit in thematicaly if you ask me. yes I've heard the arguement that space is connected with california but lets face it everyone thinks of the shuttles as liftoff and that's something that happens in florida not california

    if they were going to put mission space in DCA retheme it to look totaly different and be about Spaceship 1 or something
    I think it could work in the condor flats area from a theme perspective. not sure where they would get the room though...

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  • mp3piratesavvy
    the subs were cool maan

  • mp3piratesavvy
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    THey should put red rockets in the INNOVENTIONS building, and have some ride vehicles to boot. Have them revolving around, like have a couple of skyway buckets going back and forth, have the old Rocket Jets going around each table, have part of an old monorail go by simuntaneously. And for the water area outside of the building (directly underneath the INNOVENTIONS clock/sign), have it go inside: 8 yellow submarines that you can control.

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  • figment1986
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  • figment1986
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    But if you put it into the COPbuilding.. You would loose COP building... The ride would destroy it.... I would favor an original building for it....

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  • Flint
    MiceChatter

  • Flint
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    Originally posted by figment1986
    (just jazz up the ride to be unique to california...)
    Like, add an avocado? That's how they make things "Californian" in the restaurant biz...

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  • Jspider
    Senior Member

  • Jspider
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    Originally posted by figment1986
    Mission Space would't be going into DL... Now enough room for 4 centrifuges and a huge empty queue.. (thanks to the efficient ride system and billions of warnings..) I would love to see the ride built.. mabey DCA.... Their is a Nasa Training center/Research center there right?? It would work.... (just jazz up the ride to be unique to california... like hmm.... a lift off and landing training cenario rather than a practice trip to mars....
    actualy there were plans for puting it were Innoventions is before the lawsuit thing was kicked up

    you have to remeber that Innoventions is about the same size as Space Mountain in DLR

    I really dislike the idea of Mission Space in DCA, it just wouldn't fit in thematicaly if you ask me. yes I've heard the arguement that space is connected with california but lets face it everyone thinks of the shuttles as liftoff and that's something that happens in florida not california

    if they were going to put mission space in DCA retheme it to look totaly different and be about Spaceship 1 or something

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  • figment1986
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  • figment1986
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    Mission Space would't be going into DL... Now enough room for 4 centrifuges and a huge empty queue.. (thanks to the efficient ride system and billions of warnings..) I would love to see the ride built.. mabey DCA.... Their is a Nasa Training center/Research center there right?? It would work.... (just jazz up the ride to be unique to california... like hmm.... a lift off and landing training cenario rather than a practice trip to mars....

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  • Jspider
    Senior Member

  • Jspider
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    I dunno, I've heard lots of teens liked the ride, and several adults also enjoyed it

    I think it depends on your taste

    I've heard stitch is far less successfull as it removes more of the audience from liking it rather then windening the ride's appeal


    anywho I do think that actualy Disneylands capacity could be raised up a bit higher then what it is now, the crowding tends to happen more around the Rivers of America then in Tomorrowland (probably because of that dead end they have in Critter Country)

    I think if the new attractions are hits we will see maybe the peoplemover return

    I do doubt the return of Rocket Reds as an attraction but it WOULD be nice, I also understand that restruant dooesn't have bathroom facilities, this is were I think it would've been wiser to use the Starcade as resturant space

    Rocket Reds would be a bit redeamable if they added more atmospheric touches or maybe some animatronic entertainment

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  • dshimel
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  • dshimel
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    Originally posted by Jspider
    I heard that AE's problems were mostly in the fact that it scared young children and got people complaining about it
    Scaring young children was a big part of it... The other part was that it wasn't good enough for the adults... so like Rocket Jets, has no real target audience.

    They sit you in this seat... Then lock you in with an over the shoulder restraint. Then the show starts... The lights go out. The monster is loose.... Loud sound effects... vibro noise effects like those that made it feel like you are getting your hair cut in Mr. Lincoln. restraint bounces down against your shoulders, repeatedly squishing you into the chair... Lights come back on and it's over.

    Scary for kids, uncomfortable for people that dislike the dark, uncomfortable for people that don't like being trapped in a seat.... Just "engh, I guess it is okay" for most of the rest.


    The problem with Disneyland remains the lack of walkway space to move everyone around. Just adding more rides won't increase the park's capacity.

    Well, the problem is made worse by the lack of attractions in Tomorrowland right now. Hopefully that can be corrected with Buzz, Space, and subs. If those 3 attractions are hits, then another show for Red Rockets would not help long term....

    I'm still holding out hope that the law suit will be setteld and we'll get Mission:Space in place of Innoventions.

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  • Jspider
    Senior Member

  • Jspider
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    Originally posted by dshimel
    And an unpopular show with a big operation and maintenance budget that runs at low capacity, in desperate need of a makeover... and the WDW version seemed to get no more popular, even with its recent makeover.

    Disneyland doesn't need "attractions" that suck money from the budget, need redone every 5-10 years, and don't add any real capacity because hardly anyone visits them.

    Too much has been done to try to "reuse" old facilities in Tomorrowland... It is time for bull dozers to come in and make way for new construction rather than continuing to try to reuse existing facilities.
    I heard that AE's problems were mostly in the fact that it scared young children and got people complaining about it

    and yes if they needed to they could have gutted teh building and tried for something else, Teleportation is still an interesting theme even if it wasn't executed right

    my main dissapointment is that they literaly gutted an attraction and replaced it witha resturant (of all the talk of Pressler doing this Rocket Reds shows it litteraly)

    Disney should've just left the Lunching Pad open, of course it's now empty after Radio Disney flopped

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  • dshimel
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  • dshimel
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    Originally posted by Jspider
    if we'd gotten Alien Encounter at least we would've gotten some nifty effects added and the theators and everything would've been kept intact
    And an unpopular show with a big operation and maintenance budget that runs at low capacity, in desperate need of a makeover... and the WDW version seemed to get no more popular, even with its recent makeover.

    Disneyland doesn't need "attractions" that suck money from the budget, need redone every 5-10 years, and don't add any real capacity because hardly anyone visits them.

    Too much has been done to try to "reuse" old facilities in Tomorrowland... It is time for bull dozers to come in and make way for new construction rather than continuing to try to reuse existing facilities.

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