Star Tours Shouldn't Be in Tomorrowland

[Gemini Cricket]

I was just thinking that technically, Star Tours should not be in Tomorrowland because the movies start 'A long time ago...'.

That means it takes place in the past.

Okay, I'm kidding, but I thought that was funny. Too much time to think about trivial things I guess.

:monkey:

[Jspider]

you'd better be kidding :P

it's too futurisitc to match anywere else

and people need to stop bringing up how MGM's is were it is, from what i hear they just tacked a cheap soundstage to the front of it and make it look more real as you walk in, I don't really consider that good theming seems like they just edged it in to get the ride count up

[Disneyfreak]

I also would ask if you were kidding because it is way more futuristic then buzz lightyear they are putting in there or their idea of the finding nemo sub attraction they want there.

[Alan]

But remeber, today is the future and the now is the past. It may be in their past but it is representative of our future. If we applied the rule that it must be our future, Buzz should not have been built. Space Mountain is also out of plce because it still represents basic space flight that hqs existed fo 30 years. The subas of xourse run on diesel and the monorail still uses wheels for propulsion.

[Gemini Cricket]

Yes, I am kidding.

I'm just making light of the fact that the movie is set in the past...

[figment1986]

but if you think of it like this... TL is the future that was imagined long long long time ago.... thus Star Wars was still future.. this it is a future that never happened.. thus it fits in perfect with the palce.... Buzz was also (in a way) the same way... Space rangers have been in books by assiac azimov.....(hought it doesn't fit perfect..) and how are we going to be speeking with fish.. why in the past they thought we would have invented this gadget.. thus it works perfectly...

[dshimel]

The "long time ago...." thingy with Star Wars was just to make sure the audience knew it was a fairy tale set in space and not to be taken as serious sci-fi. Star Wars is much more "Sleeping Beauty" than "Star Trek".

[dfox]

i am new, and just got back from another day at disney. can i get the download on what the heck is happening in tmrw land? i miss TL from 1977. white and retro modern.
i miss the people mover, the rockets above it, and the mb murals. am i alone here?

[ModHatter]

"A long time ago..." is inconic of Star Wars. That's why I always felt uneasy about it being in Tomorrowland. For a while, it was more appropriate because it represented a futuristic new technology, the motion simulator. But that's certainly not very futuristic anymore either.

I'm still rooting for the ride to end up in the huge empty lot that is the north side of HPB. Yes, DMGM missed a few opportunities, but the idea of presenting the Star Tours ride concept in a more immersive environment has its value, especially if it means better opportunities to do the sort of fan events DMGM does. I think people would like the ability to walk onto the Mos Eisley "set" and feel like they are in the movie.

[Ascendant]

The past is future. The future is past. All are one.

Time is a great wheel, ever spinning. In our distant future, humanity will evolve to the Omega Point, where concepts like space and time and individuality are meaningless. We will become God, reversing the travel and the degredation of the stars and planets, winding back the clock to the point at which we first entered the universe.

And slowly but surely we will manipulate matter on the submolecular scale, setting the great universal machine in motion once again in a way that will ensure our own creation. Concepts like "fate" and "destiny" will be created by the lightest touch of our hand. And when humanity is ready to evolve once more, we will vanish into the ether from whence we came to explore the great Beyond, so that they might find the Omega Point themselves.

The past is future. The future is past. All are one.



.....................Gotcha. :lol:

[niki0619]

hmmm... maybe we can have it magically moved to Fantasyland, like the Matterhorn? :P

[yensid98]

Time is realtive. Your future is someone elses past. Accept it.

[dshimel]

hmmm... maybe we can have it magically moved to Fantasyland, like the Matterhorn? :P

Subs, autopia, the train station.... all strong candidates for "relocation" to Fantasyland.... Star Tours, Star Traders, Buzz.... Heck, add a cartoon overlay to monorail, and you could push Tomorrowland all the way back to being just Space Mt and Innoventions.

[Jspider]

The "long time ago...." thingy with Star Wars was just to make sure the audience knew it was a fairy tale set in space and not to be taken as serious sci-fi. Star Wars is much more "Sleeping Beauty" than "Star Trek".

very true, Star Wars basicaly rids itself of trying to be Sci Fi and is a made up universe all it's own

the long time ago makes it so Lucas doesn't have to deal with earth or our own cutlures are all of that stuff that Gene Rodenberry had to deal with in creating Star Trek (I've noticed that earth is never really seen very much with the exception of a few of the Star Trek movies, most of the time they'd rather concentrait on cultures and places outside our own it matches the story but also helps to keep away from being too specific about exactly how human society has changed back home, we only see the society humans have created onboard the starships)

[Ascendant]

the long time ago makes it so Lucas doesn't have to deal with earth or our own cutlures are all of that stuff that Gene Rodenberry had to deal with in creating Star Trek

Yeah, but it's not in any way easier. I've been working on a sci-fi story for the past year and a half and...boy, it would make everything sooooo much easier if I had it take place in our galaxy. Earth gives you a foundation, a springboard for what to base your civilizations on. Creating a universe all from scratch (while maintaining originality) is about the hardest thing that you can do, since you basically have to create the entire past history of your fictional galaxy with nothing to base it on. It's really necessary, though. Earth's future is SUCH an overused milieu when we have an entire universe to tell stories in.

[ModHatter]

rather than relocatrion, renewal.

Most of these rides can be pushed forward through design and upgrades to tomorrow. But Star Tours, even with a new queue and new films, would still be based on A Long Time Ago, and anyone who has ever seen one of those movies probably knows that, though they may not necessarily think about it.

It's the same problem with the CoP show. About the only way to make that undeniably fit Tomorrowland is to have the first room start in, say, 2075, and have each subsequent scene advance ten more years. You just have to get a real visionary in charge, and if you're representing what life will be in 2075, predict 3005 and call it 2075, just to stay that far ahead of the times.

Right now we're aiming for Mars. So have Tomorrowland aim even further, because our Mars predictions will get dated faster.

But unless Lucas decides to greenlight a Star Wars, the Next Generation, Star Wars will never be tomorrow. It was yesterday in 1977, which makes it even more yesterday today.

[Jspider]

Yeah, but it's not in any way easier. I've been working on a sci-fi story for the past year and a half and...boy, it would make everything sooooo much easier if I had it take place in our galaxy. Earth gives you a foundation, a springboard for what to base your civilizations on. Creating a universe all from scratch (while maintaining originality) is about the hardest thing that you can do, since you basically have to create the entire past history of your fictional galaxy with nothing to base it on. It's really necessary, though. Earth's future is SUCH an overused milieu when we have an entire universe to tell stories in.

I dissagree in that sci fi based around earth you have to have a pretty good knowledge of the cultures on earth and make explinations for what happend to "X" country and other such things

I think a blank slate is pretty easy to deal with if you have characters and concepts already layed out

heck my name comes from a SciFi ish concept that I've developed

it's mostly comprised of tons of differnt story's and characters I developed as a kid but they're all redeveloped into one cohesive ulternate universe (long story not relevent to Disney message boards )

[Jspider]

Subs, autopia, the train station.... all strong candidates for "relocation" to Fantasyland.... Star Tours, Star Traders, Buzz.... Heck, add a cartoon overlay to monorail, and you could push Tomorrowland all the way back to being just Space Mt and Innoventions.

fantasyland is based on european fairytales it's not really based on the whole subject of catagory

when you think about it everything about Tomorrowland is just a big FANTASY of what it will be like because last time I checked nobody came back from the future and told us how it WILL be, so then the only difference is how based in reality is this fantasy of ours?

[Ascendant]

I dissagree in that sci fi based around earth you have to have a pretty good knowledge of the cultures on earth and make explinations for what happend to "X" country and other such things

Heh...that's prescisely the problem. When you're starting from a blank slate, you not only have to have a "pretty good knowlege" of the cultures you're dealing with (including history, geography, religions, etc.), but you have to CREATE the cultures as well, based on their necessity in your story Then you have to reverse-evolve their development based upon what you know of the evolution of Earth's cultures, making sure to account for the full spectrum of human (or alien) religions, arts, politics, and technological achievement.

Say, for example, you have a galaxy at about the developmental stage of Star Wars, where humans don't really have a homeworld or a set culture but share the galaxy about 50-50 with aliens. Why? What happened in the distant past to set off this situation? Was there some sort of vast human empire in a time that time forgot, explaining their existence in this world of long ago and far away? Did the first appear on one world, or many? Are solar systems with habitable planets inherently prone to a human evolutionary form, or is there a larger power at work - like a god that favors creating humans above all other intelligent creatures? If so, why do aliens even exist in this universe - a rival god, perhaps, with a more creative mind? Or are aliens and animals the only creatures that are naturally evolved?

When you're working from Earth, most of these things are known and you can simply extrapolate based on our current condition. Not only that, but it gives you an easy vantage point as well - Earth is gonna be the most important planet to us if it's in the story, no matter what. Those who fight for her are gonna be the "good guys". When you ditch her, it's hard to tell what's important...do we root for a certain planet, or a certain governmental force (i.e. Rebellion versus Empire)? Or do we root for a specific religion or anti-religion (i.e. Jedi versus Sith)?

Complexity up the wazoo. :confused:

[MrLiver]

I don't think Star Tours belongs in Tomorrowland, but Tomorrowland stopped being about Science Fact a long time ago. This is why the Tomorrowland 98 theme change made sense. Tomorrowland is no longer about the future itself, but rather about creative visions of the future - from visionaries all the way from daVinci and Verne to Disney and Lucas. That ties the area together much better than some fake premise of presenting an actual futurescape.