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  • #21
    Originally posted by MiceMan
    What are the lawsuits about?
    Disney hired a sub-contractor to work on the project. It was a time and materials contract, meaning Disney pays costs + a mark-up. Well, it wasn't long before the costs climbed from... can't remember the exact amounts... like from $20 million up to $30 million.

    Disney and the company (ETC) renegotiated the contract from time+materials to fixed bid at something like $30 million for the company's part of the work...

    Well, the company claims Disney then changed the requirements, and owes them another $17 million because of scope changes. Plus they claim they own intellectual property rights on a part of the technology, so should get licensing fees should Disney use the ride system in other parks. In fact, they think they should be able to sell the ride to other amusement parks, as long as those parks are more than 100 miles from a Disney park.

    Disney counter-sued saying the company didn't provide anything useful and they had to redo everything themselves. Disney also claims the company doesn't own any of the rights to the ride system and Disney should be able to use the technology at any park without providing the company any more money and that the company can't sell any similar rides to any other parks since they can't separate their independant work from the work they did for Disney.

    ETC is now in bankruptcy... Not sure if that will make them interested in settling or not.

    http://www.talkdisney.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19268

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    • #22
      I'm all for a return in CoP or Mission:Space; but I'd also like to see a revamped Adventures thru Innerspace... or it could be a loading area for Submarine Voyage? too many possibilities.

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      • #23
        First of all, good post idea! Innoventions is pretty weak and is in dire need of a replacement. As far as what that replacement may be, definately something that utilizes and conforms with the current structure. My idea was a test track. Maybe not cars like at Epcot, since it is "Tomorrowland", but maybe something else more futuristic?
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        • #24
          Better article on the lawsuits. Page 2 spells it out.

          http://orlando.bizjournals.com/orlan...08/story4.html

          The contract rose from $25 million to $30 million, then renegotiated to lock it in at $35 million. When the company couldn't finish the project for $35 million, Disney paid them the flat $35 million for work done to that point, then completed the project in-house.

          The company says it is owed another $15 million, plus should get to see all of Disney's in-house work to make sure it is "safe", plus owns the basic ride system just not any of the changes made for Disney. Disney says the company has been paid in full and that the company signed over all rights to Disney, not just the enhancements.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by SurfedUpDane
            First of all, good post idea! Innoventions is pretty weak and is in dire need of a replacement. As far as what that replacement may be, definately something that utilizes and conforms with the current structure. My idea was a test track. Maybe not cars like at Epcot, since it is "Tomorrowland", but maybe something else more futuristic?
            Rumor is that Test Track ride system is going into DCA as a "Cars" themed attraction.

            Make the most of the Pixar contract before losing it... or being forced to renegotiate.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by ModHatter
              The problem with M:S is that it is neither edu- nor -tainment. It has the same problems AE had, in that it's not exactly kid-friendly, or particularly adult-friendly, AND it has the added benefit of making lots of people physically sick.
              Not edu.... good. tainment... many reviews are very positive.


              Originally posted by ModHatter
              Besides, just because a ride is about something other than spacejunk doesn't mean it's "edutainment-y."
              As other lands of Disneyland prove very well. But Tomorrowland seems to break into two camps... SciFi/SpaceFantasy, or edutainment-y look at a possible future.

              Originally posted by ModHatter
              I think the same people who love to compete on a ride like Buzz will love to compete with a faster-paced gameshow attraction.
              Still WAY disagree. Buzz is a one-on-one competition within a family. It is a kenetic ride with lots of stuff to look at and play with.... It's not one-vs.-the rest-of-the-audience. It's not watching one guest out of an audience of hundreds get on stage.

              The one show every couple hours is what allowed them to keep question generation costs down... but not nearly enough to keep the show alive. I can't imagine the costs associated with constant, continuous showings in multi-theaters.

              It was tried... it lasted only a couple years.... That is a flop, regardless of whether you personally liked the concept or not, it flopped.

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              • #27
                My one hope if/when Innoventions is closed for a new attraction is that the building is demolished and the land is opened up ofr an all new experience that can be built fom the ground up. No forcing a retro fit. That only limits the imgination. Pooh was a BAD retrofit, Buzz was a good one, Nemo is a yet to be seen retro fit. But, the last 3 "new" rides have all been "forced" into exisitind infrastructure. Lets see a fresh new building in Tomorrowland.

                That said, I would be VERY happy with an all new Carousel Theater show produced with the same type of ultra-high Disney standards that brought us the CoP and America Sings. Pletu's Galactic Revue could still be a great show for this facility, especially now since Paul Pressler killed the Country Bears at DL. What could be cooler than a bunch of silly aliens performing for us? Plus, this type of attraction would not date as quickly either.
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                • #28
                  I'd replace it with one big revolving Starbucks.


                  Again, a joke. I'm in a weird mood today...

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Gemini Cricket
                    I'd replace it with one big revolving Starbucks.


                    Again, a joke. I'm in a weird mood today...
                    Then, replace HISTA with yet another starbucks....
                    Marge: Barnacle Bill's Home Pregnancy Test? Homer, shouldn't we have gone with a better-known brand?
                    Homer: But Marge, this one came with a corn-cob pipe!
                    Marge: [reading from the test box] "Ahoy, Maties! If the water turns blue, a baby for you! If purple ye see, no baby thar be!"
                    Homer: So, which is it? Blue or purple?
                    Marge: Pink.
                    Homer: D'oh!
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                    • #30
                      Of course, DCA's wharf needs a History of Starbucks movie featuring What-upy Goldburg, plus a Starbuck's factory tour.

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                      • #31
                        What'd ya got?

                        An empty building and a rock would be more entertaining.
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by dshimel
                          Not edu.... good. tainment... many reviews are very positive.

                          Still WAY disagree. Buzz is a one-on-one competition within a family. It is a kenetic ride with lots of stuff to look at and play with.... It's not one-vs.-the rest-of-the-audience. It's not watching one guest out of an audience of hundreds get on stage.

                          The one show every couple hours is what allowed them to keep question generation costs down... but not nearly enough to keep the show alive. I can't imagine the costs associated with constant, continuous showings in multi-theaters.

                          It was tried... it lasted only a couple years.... That is a flop, regardless of whether you personally liked the concept or not, it flopped.
                          Just as many reviews of M:S are very positive, many reviews of Millionaire are positive. That's just statistics. But most reviews I've seen have avoided the pure hate that M:S has gotten on the other end of the bell curve.

                          All a CoP gameshow would need are individual scores displayed on your keypad. Then you could compete with the members of your party just as easily.

                          With just an ounce of imagination, it could be done in a fun way. We're not re-inventing Millionaire in a new space, after all. We're just acknowledging that Millionaire was a lot of fun for a lot of people, and the CoP provides unique oppurtinities to use the gameshow idea again, but with a much higher capacity, and more interactivity. And let's face it, calling anything in DCA a flop is redundant. But Millionaire does well at MGM, and they had the brains to use it for special events like tapings of the actual show, and special themed shows for events like the Star Wars weekends.
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                          • #33
                            updated Adventure Thru Inner Space

                            GPS Flying Saucers in space environment

                            ride/show based on Ward Kimball's Mars and Beyond

                            return of Walt's Carousel of Progress

                            TRON Gladiator arena/holodeck

                            CircleVision using the turntable to enhance viewing experience

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by merlinjones
                              updated Adventure Thru Inner Space

                              GPS Flying Saucers in space environment

                              ride/show based on Ward Kimball's Mars and Beyond

                              return of Walt's Carousel of Progress

                              TRON Gladiator arena/holodeck

                              CircleVision using the turntable to enhance viewing experience
                              Scary, we almost always seem to be on the same wavelength.

                              One of my favorite ideas for redoing Tomorrowland is to have Tomorrowland represent the game grid of Tron 2.0. Increase the "play at home" capabilities being talked about for Buzz... From the comfort of home, we can log on to disney.com and drive a guest's Autopia car. We could pick a Saucer and "ride" thanks to a hood-mounted webcam. You can view a band's set list and vote on the songs you want them to perform at Tomorrowland Terrace's Custom Concert, and for a dollar you can order an MP3 of the live performance, the studio cut, or a DJ remix...
                              See, George Lucas? I'm not the only one! [<-- i.e. this is not my site]
                              78 Reasons To Hate Star Wars Episode 1

                              "There are fashions in reading, even in thinking. You don't have to follow them unless you want to."

                              "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

                              -- Walt Disney

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                              • #35
                                I'm only for a COP type attraction if it was new & innovative.. The old COP belongs in Yesterland if you ask me.. Walt always said that when something new is built, something old must go. COP is a step backwards guys..

                                I would really like to see the technology that was created by Mission Space - Usually, WDI re use new technology & only change the styles or theming. This would work PERFECTLY here - the building is even the right shape! As M:S is a little more informative in style, a DL equivelant could see much more immersive Theming than the EPCOT original + they could improve on the technology/show as they always do.
                                I'm just a bit more than Just Really Nice!

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                                • #36
                                  I think an updated Dreamfinder and Figment ride would be good for the building, since they messed up in Florida might as well make up for it here in Anaheim.

                                  Or a ride based on The Blackhole where one actually survives a trip through a black hole.

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                                  • #37
                                    WDW gets to keep COP...

                                    If DL wants Mission Space.. they can pay for a new program/movie too... we dont want clones...

                                    if DL wants a new ride... get it sponsored by starbucks... they have lods of cash.. and you can server starbucs coffee to guests for free.... hehe

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by figment1986
                                      we dont want clones...
                                      Clones are a fact of life, and the sooner we accept that, the happier we'll all be.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by dshimel
                                        Clones are a fact of life, and the sooner we accept that, the happier we'll all be.
                                        No, the happier Disney will be. The rest of us will be bored and dissatisfied. Unless we quit rolling over, and start demanding better than clones, especially of inferior rides.
                                        See, George Lucas? I'm not the only one! [<-- i.e. this is not my site]
                                        78 Reasons To Hate Star Wars Episode 1

                                        "There are fashions in reading, even in thinking. You don't have to follow them unless you want to."

                                        "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

                                        -- Walt Disney

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                                        • #40
                                          21st century Adventure Through Inner Space.

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