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  • The Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect Thread 7: Further Realms of Fright

    For the convenience of foolish mortals and happy haunts, all, here is a listing of the previous editions of The Thread:

    T1: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...on-effect.html

    T2: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...hread-2-a.html

    T3: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...hread-3-a.html

    T4: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...-new-hope.html

    T5: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...hread-5-a.html

    T6: http://micechat.com/forums/disneylan...relenting.html




    Welcome, foolish mortals, once more....I do hope it is not minded I got the ball rolling (sorry, Temple of the Forbidden Eye) on this newest incarnation of The Thread in it's latest corporeal form.

    It has been a delight and honor to participate in this epic series of threads thus far, and thank you to everyone....still active and wandered away....who has shared and contributed to them. And now, to start us off: the subject of the statuary on the Mansion's grounds. I choose not to delve into the residents of the "pet cemetery", myself, in this instance.

    I have noticed, however, in the "fastpass garden" (seldom used for the stated purpose), one of the statues is photographed far less than the others. And this includes my own photos: I have taken seemingly one shot of it, and not a very good one either.

    Let's run through them, shall we?

    First off, there is the shy gargoyle atop the entry pillar....


    (my photo)


    By user "Quadfire" on deviantART: really? by ~Quadfire on deviantART


    by user "amithystblade" on dA: One of those days by *amithystblade on deviantART

    Nest up, we have the very glower-y bust I call Horatio.




    (both photos mine)

    After him (and he is rather creepy, isn't he?), we have the sort of standard "aloof woman holding flowers", a more standard garden statue type (we can call her Eliza)





    My personal favorite of my own Mansion grounds photo represents her:


    (all photos mine)

    After her, there is the most widely-photographed statue I call "The Hooded Watcher":






    (photos mine)

    This is followed by the one I mention as being somewhat neglected: The Griffin


    (photo mine)


    By user "minystock" on dA (Griffin statue by ~minystock on deviantART)

    It seems a little curious to me why this one is passed over. True, it isn't a showy piece, but it is centrally located right as you enter, and it is larger than all the rest. Perhaps it is a cousin to the staircase guardian griffins inside? One can imagine it's head slowly turning to watch as people enter the garden...or I can, at any rate...

    Outside the "garden", there is one other statue of note, and a interesting case it is, to me anyway.

    As part of the pet cemetery, but placed higher up and visible from the back queue, you will find this carving...


    (photo mine)

    It is close to the rest, I believe, but you can see it from the rear switchback area the best as I recall..did it migrate? It is another of the seldom-photographed elements, or perhaps less endearing than the quirkier/comical statues in the main pet plot...


    By user "BugSaysMeep" on dA: Raven Statue by ~BugSaysMeep on deviantART


    By user "iGoBrullen" on dA: Flying Stone by ~iGoBrullen on deviantART

    That concludes this post, and just a little, relaxing, slow intro to the new Thread...I am glad to be here, and look forward to all that trickles in, in the days and weeks to come. Hope it is alright with all I got this started...there's no turning back, now....

    *

    *(on a side note, that photo always makes me wish perhaps the Mansion entrance was more like this...a bit more ominous yet simple. But of course, shall not complain of the current setup...it works very well indeed)
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  • Scream! Or Sugar?
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    Originally posted by Grinning Ghost View Post

    The playback speed is slower at WDW on those two tracks. The same foyer organ recording is used in all three Mansions. The music room piano is also the same as the one in Tokyo, but they corrected the playback speed there.
    The Foyer Organ in Florida is actually slightly different, the one note at the end "hangs on" for a bit. Guess they dragged it out to make it loop like they did with the Attic Piano.

    The Music Room piano WAS at the correct playback speed after the ReHaunting in '07, but they changed it shortly after to match the lower-key Foyer Organ. Def has a more sinister sound to it.

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  • Scream! Or Sugar?
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    Originally posted by FoxxFur View Post

    It's definitely going to look weird for a bit until WDI is able to go in and balance everything, but once they're done, it should look exactly the same. The WDW stretch room has been LED since it was redone in 2007, and it looks fine - honestly, probably better than the florescent tubes ever did. I believe the Ballroom has also been mostly LED since then too. MK Pirates has been LED-only for several years now and you'd never know.

    Last I heard, and honestly I'm very out of the loop on this, WDI has still not been pleased with the way that LEDs look when they are run through a flicker circuit, so much of the practical lights in the Mansion should remain incandescent for now. I'm not sure if this has changed recently, but they would definitely need to bring the show down if they were planning on switching all of those flickering lights over to LEDs, which is why they're messing about with the general fill lights instead.
    The Ballroom went LED only in the last couple years, ever since about 2016 or so the whole ride has been in a gradual transition of being upgraded to all LEDs... The exterior lighting was the first they did right before that year's MNSSHP IIRC. You are correct about the "flicker circuit theory," which is why stuff like the Caretaker's lantern and hallway light fixtures remain incandescent.

    The Attic portraits are still the same as they were, no new upgrades there. And Little Leota has also always been a standard definition digital video projection, even though she did get a new projector about a year ago or so. Constance also got a new projector recently, and the carpet will gradually be replaced inside the ride as well. The Library will eventually glow like Tokyo's (probably for WDW's 50th). And the drapes covering the new portraits in the Gallery are to obscure the recently-installed camera system.

    ALSO... Thought it was worth mentioning since no one else did, legendary servant Ginger Honetur passed away about a week ago or so, as some of you may already know. May she Rest in Peace.

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  • HMPOTCPurist
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    BTW only one pop-up ghost in the graveyard was working. Just One Ghost...

    The opera singers were still missing. I suppose that's because It Ain't Over Till The Fat Lady Sings...

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  • HMPOTCPurist
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    The happy haunts have received your sympathetic vibrations, and are beginning to materialize...

    They're assembling for a..."swinging" wake...and they'll be expecting ME...

    I'll see you ALL...a little laterrr...

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  • FigmentJedi
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    Interesting tweet on the Tokyo Haunted Mansion from Marc Sasaki's #TDRHistory posts. The Tokyo Haunted Mansion's main reason for being in Fantasyland was that it was kicked out of Westernland so they could have the space to build Big Thunder Mountain as a Phase 2 project.

    https://twitter.com/MarcSasaki/statu...02835230244864

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  • Manicotti_legs
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    Originally posted by Grinning Ghost View Post

    The playback speed is slower at WDW on those two tracks. The same foyer organ recording is used in all three Mansions. The music room piano is also the same as the one in Tokyo, but they corrected the playback speed there.
    Ah okay. Well, I hope they leave it that way. Another difference I’ve noticed from watching videos of the Tokyo mansion is that the load area music continues until the conservatory. I think that the slightly slowed organ track sounds a little more ominous during the portrait hall and library scenes, but that may just be because I distinctly remember riding through the WDW portrait hall with the sinister 11 staring at me with glowing red eyes and the organ track in the background when I was 6 or 7 years old. I’m still upset about the relocation of the sinister 11 for that reason.

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  • Thaddeus Twain
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    Originally posted by DLHMFAN View Post

    More than likely the Opra singers are being fixed somewhere. Animatronics break down from time and need to be repaired.
    Probably. I'm more curious on this additional Gus.

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  • Grinning Ghost
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    Originally posted by Manicotti_legs View Post
    This is something very trivial I've always wondered: does anyone know why the entire soundtrack for WDW up until the Seance Circle plays a half-step lower than at Disneyland? The original recordings I can find of all of the tracks on youtube, including the ones unique to WDW (e.g. the conservatory piano), play in A minor, but in the ride, everything (at least up to the Seance Circle IIRC) plays in Ab minor. The difference is especially noticeable if you listen very closely to the foyer organ soundtrack. I believe that the playback speed is the same, so someone somewhere had to have made the conscious decision to play the music a semitone lower at WDW. I prefer it a semitone lower, as Ab minor sounds darker than A minor, but I've always wondered who made that decision and why. I do hope that they keep it a semitone lower even as they continue to Disneyland-ify the rest of the mansion.

    I know that this topic is very trivial, but I've always paid very close attention to the music in the ride since the Haunted Mansion is what sparked my interest in the theater organ when I was a kid; in a way, the Haunted Mansion changed the trajectory of my life.
    The playback speed is slower at WDW on those two tracks. The same foyer organ recording is used in all three Mansions. The music room piano is also the same as the one in Tokyo, but they corrected the playback speed there.

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  • DLHMFAN
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    Originally posted by Thaddeus Twain View Post
    Hey, so apparently the Phantoms of the Opera haven't come back to the Graveyard after they took off the Holiday Overlay? I heard they put back an additional Gus figure in their place to fill the empty space. The opera-singing is still on the ride audio, though. So hopefully they're not going Hatbox Ghost on us.
    More than likely the Opra singers are being fixed somewhere. Animatronics break down from time and need to be repaired.

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  • Manicotti_legs
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    This is something very trivial I've always wondered: does anyone know why the entire soundtrack for WDW up until the Seance Circle plays a half-step lower than at Disneyland? The original recordings I can find of all of the tracks on youtube, including the ones unique to WDW (e.g. the conservatory piano), play in A minor, but in the ride, everything (at least up to the Seance Circle IIRC) plays in Ab minor. The difference is especially noticeable if you listen very closely to the foyer organ soundtrack. I believe that the playback speed is the same, so someone somewhere had to have made the conscious decision to play the music a semitone lower at WDW. I prefer it a semitone lower, as Ab minor sounds darker than A minor, but I've always wondered who made that decision and why. I do hope that they keep it a semitone lower even as they continue to Disneyland-ify the rest of the mansion.

    I know that this topic is very trivial, but I've always paid very close attention to the music in the ride since the Haunted Mansion is what sparked my interest in the theater organ when I was a kid; in a way, the Haunted Mansion changed the trajectory of my life.

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  • HMPOTCPurist
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    Good News, Every ONE!

    I AM Working On A Top Secret (SHADOW) Government Project Connected To The Haunted Mansion.

    IT Is A Very Special Film And It's In BREATH-TAKING 5D! !!II11oo00oo11!! No Glasses Required! (Glasses Aren't Real ANY WAY...)

    Anyway...

    I AM Putting IT Together On THE FINAL CUT PRO. I've Been Working On It For A Couple Milleniums. Or A Week. Or 13 Hours. Whatever. Same Thing.

    THE THING (lol) About The HM (hmmm) Ride That I Have Recently Discovered Is That It Accurately Depicts The True Nature Of Reality.

    If You Don't Believe In GHOSTS Already, You Will... Very Soon...... Hm hmm hmmm......... zzz... zzz... zzz... Sorry About That. I'm Awake.

    WEEEIIIRRRD IS The New NORMAL.

    FEAR NOT!

    Have A Frightfully GOOD TIME. And Be Nice. We're Watching...lol...

    --LOVE--

    MICHAEL CHARLES SWINEHART (R.I.P.)
    Legendary Hollywood Actor + 0 Budget Movie Maker
    Completed Suicide At 32 Via Strangulation


    "In My Father's house there are many mansions."

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  • Thaddeus Twain
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    Hey, so apparently the Phantoms of the Opera haven't come back to the Graveyard after they took off the Holiday Overlay? I heard they put back an additional Gus figure in their place to fill the empty space. The opera-singing is still on the ride audio, though. So hopefully they're not going Hatbox Ghost on us.

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  • poltergeist
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    It's Mr Drucker from Petticoat Junction.

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  • sourdough
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    [QUOTE=Thaddeus Twain;n8578602]Hey, anyone agree with me that the Crowned Ghost in the ballroom looks a lot like Peter Cushing?

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    For me, it was always Charlie Callas who was a popular comedian in the 1960's.

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  • Kreepy Karl
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    Originally posted by Thaddeus Twain View Post
    Hey, anyone agree with me that the Crowned Ghost in the ballroom looks a lot like Peter Cushing?

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    (I incidentally made a whole tumblr post of trying to match HM spooks with actors who have played the title part in Doctor Who, for no other particular reason than personally being fond of both. Cushing is the only one who could plausibly have maybe possibly been on the edge of Gibson & Co.'s mind so it's the one I selected for here, but if you're interested, see here. Madame Leota is a spookily great match, and there's a few other surprises along the way.)
    That is a fun list. I only just discovered Dr. Who. When it was on TV when I was young, it was always part 9 of 12 so I never got into it.
    I haven't heard anything in a long time about the Haunted Mansion movie. I know Del Torro had other projects to do first and I think he's done at least some of them.

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  • Thaddeus Twain
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    Hey, anyone agree with me that the Crowned Ghost in the ballroom looks a lot like Peter Cushing?

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    (I incidentally made a whole tumblr post of trying to match HM spooks with actors who have played the title part in Doctor Who, for no other particular reason than personally being fond of both. Cushing is the only one who could plausibly have maybe possibly been on the edge of Gibson & Co.'s mind so it's the one I selected for here, but if you're interested, see here. Madame Leota is a spookily great match, and there's a few other surprises along the way.)

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  • Kreepy Karl
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    Originally posted by yensidtlaw1969 View Post

    I think the thing about LED's is that they can work in a setting like The Haunted Mansion if used properly.
    ...

    There's a difference between UVA, UVB, and UVC wavelengths and how they get things to fluoresce, and the new lighting tech that's come in the last decade seems to have muddied the waters at Disney a little. LED's are cheap and last seemingly forever, so they're appealing to use, but they generally don't suit older scenes that were reliant on fluorescent tubes. Hopefully we won't find changes like this coming over to the Mansion and causing lighting issues - but then, most of the Mansion's effects are a lot less reliant on blacklight than the average person would assume. Mainly the Graveyard ghosts use them, the Seance Circle, and Little Leota, but not too much else.
    Balance is everything.
    It has to look natural but also have enough light to make it possible to see the details. It would also be nice if they could make the emergency lighted signs more discrete.

    My broad point was the balance between updating to make things relevant to the modern audience while keeping the charm or the original. Some rides have gone extinct because they were no longer relevant to the times. I don't think that is the case with the Haunted Mansion but I don't have any proof of that.

    *********

    Wow, it is great to see the mystery of the location of the original graveyard finally revealed. There aren't that many things left (that we know of) still to discover or get photo evidence of. It is interesting to see how much we have unearthed in the decade I've been part of this thread.

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  • HBG2
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    If you're trying to orient by what's there now, figure that the Cousin Victor stone stood very roughly where the new Rolo Rumpkin stone stands.

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  • HBG2
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    A rough recreation.

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