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  • [Question] Adventureland expansion space?

    I forgot what thread I read this in, but someone said that there was space to expand adventureland in some picnin/locker area that was behind it. Is this true? Is there a way to make a path leading to that area?

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  • #2
    Re: Adventureland expansion space?

    Really the only way to make Adventureland bigger with out taking out a ride are...

    A) Destroy the stores in adventureland and move them to where the stores in Frontierland were...
    b) the Aladdin area be used for a small attraction (or a Big attraction if made into a 3 story ride/show)
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    • #3
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      At one time many said impossible. Then they built Indy with a creative queue to access it.

      It's harder to do that trick again since there is one less way to access the area behind JC.
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      • #4
        Re: Adventureland expansion space?

        At the moment, I am not sure if they could really expand or not. They might have to rip up the Jungle cruise for room.

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        • #5
          Re: Adventureland expansion space?

          As others have said, there's just no way to access that land outside the berm anymore. On top of that, the lockers and picnic area are needed, the space isn't all that big in the first place, they'd be cutting into the esplanade and they'd have to reroute the backstage road somehow.

          If they want to expand Adventureland, it won't be outside the berm.

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            Re: Adventureland expansion space?

            Originally posted by imaginashton View Post
            I forgot what thread I read this in, but someone said that there was space to expand adventureland in some picnin/locker area that was behind it. Is this true?
            Yes, the area is just south of the Jungle Cruise, between the entrance and the Indy show building:

            Disneyland Picnic area, lockers, and restrooms - Google Maps

            Would you really want to put an attraction there, though? Indy's show building is bad enough as it is. And where would you relocate these facilities?

            Originally posted by imaginashton View Post
            Is there a way to make a path leading to that area?
            I'm sure that it would be possible, but one might argue that Indy's queue and exit path are long and windy enough as it is...although maybe with some sort of themed people mover....

            Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
            b) the Aladdin area be used for a small attraction (or a Big attraction if made into a 3 story ride/show)
            Or a mine shaft ride.

            Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
            At one time many said impossible. Then they built Indy with a creative queue to access it.
            Who said it was impossible? It's basically the same thing that was done with the Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, and It's a Small World, for example, only with a longer walk involved. And the Jungle Cruise had to be modified somewhat, but then again the train tracks were moved to provide space for the other rides I just mentioned.

            Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
            It's harder to do that trick again since there is one less way to access the area behind JC.
            Maybe the other (east) side of Jungle Cruise through Aladdin's Oasis, next to and underneath the backstage area behind Main Street. It would be difficult and probably expensive, but given the right budget and motivation, Disneyland is like wet clay. Then again, it's hard to imagine a small ride, since there isn't a large amount of space available, that would be worth the effort (Indy was another matter).

            Originally posted by Spongeocto4 View Post
            At the moment, I am not sure if they could really expand or not. They might have to rip up the Jungle cruise for room.
            They could divide this huge attraction up instead of replacing it or another attraction, but I wouldn't want to see this happen, and I don't think that it's going to happen in the foreseeable future.

            Originally posted by Mojave View Post
            As others have said, there's just no way to access that land outside the berm anymore. On top of that, the lockers and picnic area are needed, the space isn't all that big in the first place, they'd be cutting into the esplanade and they'd have to reroute the backstage road somehow.

            If they want to expand Adventureland, it won't be outside the berm.
            Yeah, it's not going to actually happen. It was different back when they had a large expansion area in the old Eeyore lot, and big plans for a big (1.5 acres for the show building) ride there, but none of that is true anymore. Fortunately, Disneyland does have more room for expansion internally in other areas, but we're talking room for maybe about three major rides at the most, without replacing anything major, and I'm willing to wait for the right ideas to come along (as long as they come along within my lifetime, that is ).

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            • #7
              Re: Adventureland expansion space?

              There is room for a walk through attraction if they opened up the upstairs above the shops or even took out one or two of the shops. If Adventureland is in dire need of an attraction, that might be the only alternative that doesn't involve altering jungle cruise (it would not be a very large attraction, however). I wouldn't mind Disney adding a small walk through attraction with spiders, jungle birds, and other small wildlife on exhibit. It could also be cool if they did an Aladdin walk through attraction similar to Sleeping Beauty. It wouldn't be a huge attraction but it would be a nice little attraction for the hot times of the day.
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              • #8
                Re: Adventureland expansion space?

                Robert Cook, can you explain which parts can be taken down for an adventureland expansion?I have an idea for a ride but no space for it.

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                • #9
                  Re: Adventureland expansion space?

                  There is no room for a large attraction. They could possibly fit a small dark ride where Aladdin's is, at the expense of the Tiki Room. That'll never happen. So no. No more room.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Adventureland expansion space?

                    As has been said, Adventureland is the least expandable land in the park. It simply is surrounded by used space on all sides and filled with attractions. Indy and Jungle are so close they half overlap, the tree house is over top of other things, and the shops back onto their Frontierland counterparts.

                    Every other land has space somewhere to go, except Adventureland.

                    Main Street
                    -East into the parade queue area

                    NoS.
                    -West/South into relocatable backstage (imo the second hardest)

                    CC
                    -Rumor has it that the garbage area behind Splash could move one day

                    Frontierland
                    -North

                    Fantasyland
                    -Motorboat lagoon
                    -Fantasyland Theater

                    Toontown
                    -West "easily"
                    -North harder

                    Tomorrowland
                    -Also could take the parade queue loop
                    -Could canabalize backstage to the East but it would be hard
                    -Underutilized in space areas
                    -Motorboat lagoon.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Adventureland expansion space?

                      As said,
                      prior to DTD
                      I could see it
                      but now
                      that's a lot of cash to kick out
                      for something that might be a small attraction.
                      I also agree the picnic area is needed.
                      I also don't want to see JC moved around or brought down in size.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Adventureland expansion space?

                        People are cranky enough about the APs bringing food into Disneyland without ripping out the designated picnic area.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by imaginashton View Post
                          Robert Cook, can you explain which parts can be taken down for an adventureland expansion?I have an idea for a ride but no space for it.
                          Without taking away existing attractions from this or other themed areas, there is really no room for Adventureland to expand into--as others have already pointed out, Adventureland is the most boxed-in land of all. You've already mentioned the only remotely feasible area--the picnic area and its immediate surroundings--but it's hard to get to and is only large enough for something like a spinner ride, small exhibit hall (both of which could possibly be accommodated within the current confines of Adventureland), or maybe a very dinky dark ride. It would hardly be worth the effort it would take, it's probably not nearly large enough for whatever it is that you have in mind, and then you'd have to find an alternative location for the picnic area.

                          By the way, parks that struggle with space constraints have sometimes resorted to building attractions on top of one another, such as Silver Bullet at Knott's Berry Farm, but that's something you'd have to be extremely careful about at Disneyland, for obvious reasons (Cedar Fair should have been careful at Knott's, too ). There have been some examples, such as the Monorail and PeopleMover, but those were deliberately and carefully designed as area tour and kinetic elements, while others such as the Autopia and Submarine Voyage share much of the same area without most people even realizing it. Unfortunately, it is unclear where such things could be done in Adventureland feasibly and without ruining the ambiance of the land and its existing attractions.

                          Perhaps these examples could help you or somebody else think of something, though. I can come up with ideas for attractions that would fit Adventureland, but nothing that requires a sizable area that would presumably be out in the open. I seriously doubt that, say, a Tarzan-based tree-themed standing roller coaster that swivels to simulate the character's "tree surfing" (Disney's version, anyway) winding around above the Jungle Cruise would be acceptable, since it would be rather intrusive, to say the least. Maybe Cedar Fair would go for something like that, but not WDI.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          As has been said, Adventureland is the least expandable land in the park. It simply is surrounded by used space on all sides and filled with attractions. Indy and Jungle are so close they half overlap, the tree house is over top of other things, and the shops back onto their Frontierland counterparts.
                          That's right, although you could do small things, like putting in an additional treehouse-type attraction where Aladdin's Oasis currently stands, for example.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          Every other land has space somewhere to go, except Adventureland.

                          Main Street
                          -East into the parade queue area
                          I guess the parade floats could be turned around if they're given a broad enough street in part of that area--either that or I suppose they could be taken around the east perimeter of the park, back to their Fantasyland staging area.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          NoS.
                          -West/South into relocatable backstage (imo the second hardest)
                          The cooling plant and/or large ODV facility would have to be relocated--I'd say that's a daunting challenge, albeit not impossible.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          CC
                          -Rumor has it that the garbage area behind Splash could move one day
                          Even if you moved the access road right next to the parking tram road, there is not a large amount of space back there, though. Sometimes backstage areas need a little "elbow room" for certain purposes as well, I'd imagine.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          Frontierland
                          -North
                          Frontierland used to be larger when it made use of the area west of BTMRR, which has sit unused (as far as I'm aware) since Nature's Wonderland was replaced by BTMRR. Then there is the sizable "Hunchback theater" area (currently hosts "special" events on occasion), Big Thunder Ranch, a fairly large garbage-collection area (I believe) beyond the railroad track, and the Circle D Ranch or Corral where Disneyland's horses live (and provide neighboring Toontown with its lovely aroma on warm days :yuck, but I'm not sure where these these backstage areas could be relocated (unless Disney acquires some property across Ball Rd or something drastic like that).

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          Fantasyland
                          -Motorboat lagoon
                          -Fantasyland Theater
                          -Toontown :whistling

                          Just kidding, it's a real "people-eater" for some reason.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          Toontown
                          -West "easily"
                          Is the Circle D currently oversized? It does seem pretty large for its purpose, but I'm no rancher.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          Tomorrowland
                          -Also could take the parade queue loop
                          -Could canabalize backstage to the East but it would be hard
                          There's not much space to the east, is there? Basically just a needed backstage road squeezed between the park and Harbor Blvd most of the way, and other facilities farther south that would be hard (as you noted) to relocate.

                          Originally posted by Trevor View Post
                          -Underutilized in space areas
                          But wouldn't countless millions grieve bitterly for the demise of Innoventions? :crybye:
                          Last edited by Robert Cook; 04-09-2012, 06:48 PM.

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