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  • [Question] Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

    Is it possible that Eisner and Pressler designed DCA to fail on purpose so that Disney could claim that as proof that the US audience is only interested in Disney characters? We now have thousands of people who are convinced that original attractions cannot find an audience. Did they want to create this expectation and delivered all original crap to try and prove their belief that the public wants to see movies turned into rides?

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    Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

    sounds interesting but i doubt it

    he was being cheap and trying to please the corporate guys
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      Interesing theory, but considering how budget-conscious they are (to put it mildly) that would have been an awfully expensive experiment to conduct.
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        No unfortunately someone thought it was a good idea.
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          Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

          Not only do I doubt it, but there's really nothing to prove. Disney is a film studio, and people expect to see those films brought to life. That's a fact. They've also been successful with original ideas. That's a fact. Soarin was probably the most popular attraction in the park when it opened at that's not a tie in. The key is quality.

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            well disney did make Halloween H20 so they can spend money to experiment lol
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              Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

              You know, this reminds me of the conspiracy theory behind New Coke.

              For those that don't remember or are too young, Coke came out with a new formula in the 80's and called it New Coke. I think they were losing market share to Pepsi at the time and were pegged to be overtaken as the #1 soda producer in the world. The new formula was supposed to stave off Pepsi. Well, New Coke bombed and made EVERYONE upset. Coke brought back the original formula and was more popular than ever. They have never given up the #1 spot since nor has anyone threatened to take it.

              Some said Coke planned the events all along--that New Coke was a ploy to enrage fans and heighten popularity. An intriguing idea but makes no sense. Coke just got lucky. Same thing with Disney. DCA 1.0 stunk up the place but the pure necessity to fix it made the park much better. Remember, necessity is the mother of invention.
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                Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                Low quality attractions with Disney characters are just as bad as low quality attractions without them (which is what the original DCA got). Goofy's Sky School is a good example. It features a Disney character prominently, but few would say that the attraction is Disney quality.

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                  Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                  Originally posted by DJM View Post
                  You know, this reminds me of the conspiracy theory behind New Coke.

                  For those that don't remember or are too young, Coke came out with a new formula in the 80's and called it New Coke. I think they were losing market share to Pepsi at the time and were pegged to be overtaken as the #1 soda producer in the world. The new formula was supposed to stave off Pepsi. Well, New Coke bombed and made EVERYONE upset. Coke brought back the original formula and was more popular than ever. They have never given up the #1 spot since nor has anyone threatened to take it.

                  Some said Coke planned the events all along--that New Coke was a ploy to enrage fans and heighten popularity. An intriguing idea but makes no sense. Coke just got lucky. Same thing with Disney. DCA 1.0 stunk up the place but the pure necessity to fix it made the park much better. Remember, necessity is the mother of invention.
                  ive heard of that one and i believe it
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                    Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                    I don't think it was a conspiracy. I just think that all things DCA 1.0 scared the heck out of that company. So much so that they haven't even attempted original concepts, cheap attractions, and adult attractions since.
                    In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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                      its a conspiracy man, the oil company has a grip the government, their feeding us a bunch of lies man

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                        Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                        Fillmore!!!!
                        In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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                          Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                          Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
                          Fillmore!!!!
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                            But the rides were not original in DCA 1.0

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                              I find that very hard to believe. They were gladding pushing for more to be done with Tokyo DisneySEA at the same time.

                              Originally posted by DARTH MAUL View Post
                              Not only do I doubt it, but there's really nothing to prove. Disney is a film studio, and people expect to see those films brought to life. That's a fact.
                              If that is a fact it is one that has only recently been established. After the opening of Disneyland, WED Enterprises moved more and more towards original attractions, even going so far as to do an entire park without them. EPCOT Center was not a failure like has been portrayed, it was misunderstood by the movie executives who came in and deemed that theme parks are not a valid creative medium and began the process of making them subservient to other forms of media, namely film but also television. Disney's California Adventure was the ultimate expression of this misunderstanding, a park that openly mocked its medium and its fans.

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                                Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                                I find that very hard to believe. They were gladding pushing for more to be done with Tokyo DisneySEA at the same time.
                                I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you explain further?

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                                  Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                                  Originally posted by Uncle Bob View Post
                                  I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you explain further?
                                  There is this misconception out there that the Oriental Land Company has some sort of dedication to Walt's vision and the "Disney Way." This is not entirely the case, The Walt Disney Company will gladly engage in double talk to push for the company to do/spend more, especially with new attractions, because they must maintain Disney's "high" standards and hire only Walt Disney Imagineering. Yes, the Oriental Land Company passed on Disney-MGM Studios Japan and wanted something more original, but The Walt Disney Company was plenty encouraging of something new and different in Japan because it meant more money.

                                  I think if there was a true concern regarding the viability of original attractions, there would have been some holding back the Oriental Land Company. The last few attractions at Tokyo Disney Resort have been franchise based and even franchise attractions. This fits with Iger's stated position regarding the role of franchises within the Disney empire and its parks.

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                                    Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                                    I think if the current DCA was the original people would be up in arms about a couple things.

                                    BVS is a rip off of Main Street, it's just 30 year newer copy. CL is a version of Frontierland with horseless wagons and stone buildings. The fountain show is only so they don't have to copy the firework show.

                                    ---------- Post added 06-22-2012 at 02:09 AM ----------

                                    Originally posted by lazyboy97O View Post
                                    but The Walt Disney Company was plenty encouraging of something new and different in Japan because it meant more money.
                                    How does Disney make more money selling something new? A car company does not make a different model for every individual, they make several models for thousands to choose from. At McDonalds they don't ask you how to make your order, they have you order from a pre designed menu of items.
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                                      Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                                      Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
                                      I think if the current DCA was the original people would be up in arms about a couple things.

                                      BVS is a rip off of Main Street, it's just 30 year newer copy. CL is a version of Frontierland with horseless wagons and stone buildings. The fountain show is only so they don't have to copy the firework show.
                                      wow... just wow :rant:
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                                        Re: Was the original DCA a Disney Conspiracy?

                                        Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
                                        I think if the current DCA was the original people would be up in arms about a couple things.

                                        BVS is a rip off of Main Street, it's just 30 year newer copy. CL is a version of Frontierland with horseless wagons and stone buildings. The fountain show is only so they don't have to copy the firework show.

                                        ---------- Post added 06-22-2012 at 02:09 AM ----------



                                        How does Disney make more money selling something new? A car company does not make a different model for every individual, they make several models for thousands to choose from. At McDonalds they don't ask you how to make your order, they have you order from a pre designed menu of items.
                                        Your comparison is not comparable in any way. WDI serves as a consultant to OLC as a theme park design firm. So the more money OLC spends on its parks, the more consulting fees WDI can charge them. Additionally, any new technologies that WDI creates on OLC's dime remains Disney property, allowing them to use these technologies on their own attractions.

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