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  • [Fun] Hoth breaks the Star Wars timeline in Star Tours

    The battle at Hoth should not be included in the ride as it is out of time.

    Star Tours takes place between Ep. 3 & 4. The rebel base on Hoth isn't discovered by the Empire until Empire Strikes Back.

    So the ship must have a Flux Capacitor aboard or something!

    PS: Sorry if someone already mentioned this on the forum
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    well naboo doesnt fit either. i stopped caring after a while
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      If you take a really close look at C-3PO's instrument panel in the queue, you'll see something written in Aurebesh (the star wars language) that translates into FLUX CAP. An inside joke perhaps that acknowledges the break in space time continuum?

      I've asked several imagineers this question and it basically comes down to this. There was no way they were making this ride without Hoth. George Lucas wanted it. When Imagineers came back to him about the timeline he said he didn't care. This isn't the movies. It's Disneyland. Let the guests have fun.

      So that's why it's there. We aren't meant to take it literally and yes, I know.. I'm kind of annoyed by it too somewhat but it's also one of my favorite destinations.


      I actually have a bigger issue with Yoda being in the holoprojections. He should have escaped to Dagobah by now.

      ---------- Post added 06-22-2012 at 02:09 AM ----------

      See the picture of the Flux Cap. from the screen here:

      Last edited by Coheteboy; 06-22-2012, 01:11 AM.


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      • #4
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        Sometimes fun should be a higher priority than accuracy, this is one of those cases. If they axed Hoth we would be missing out on a scene people have been craving for years.

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          maybe the transmission was from where yoda exiled too
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            none of the star tours should be considered canon at all (although i know the expanded universe tried to shoehorn in the starspeeders and even posited a 3rd death star that you blew up in the original star tours). anyway in keeping with the expanded universe spirit of retconning everything and coming up with laughable explanations, i present to you:

            Battle of Hoth (0 BBY) - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

            yes there was a battle BEFORE yavin apparently. chronologically it happend after princess leia got captured. rebel assualt the video game tossed this gem into the continutiy. keep in mind everything that gets published gets thrown in the expanded universe, and ppl do their best to make everything fit. basically there was a base on hoth, imperails found out and chased off the rebels, who then fled to yavin. after yavin they came back to hoth. why the imperals forgot about this base a scant 2 years later is beyond me. also seems questionable to make your secret base the previous base that you had. nothing in the expanded universe makes much sense.

            so what does this mean to star tours 2? it means that it actually takes place right before yavin. keep in mind the official crawl stated "it has been a long time since the end of the clone wars, and the galaxy moves closer to the brink of a great civil war". all those space battles you see are full fledged rebel attacks (on naboo, chewieplanet, and coruscant), and why the empire is so anti-rebel alliance at that point in time. also it means that the deathstar around geonosis must have been finished in record time. like literally 'hey we have a lot of battles, we need that fully operational space station, so uh finish up now'. so as princess leia got captured, she was being transported to the deathstar being finished. that's when star tours 2 happens. so hence you might end up in hoth (during the battle), or during the finishing of the first death star (ya very impressive how they finsihed that in literally a day or two) or during one of the random rebel battles.

            does this make sense? no. but this is what you get if you want to shoehorn everything in. or u can be like me and just ignore the expanded universe alltogether and just enjoy star tours as ride and not as anything remotely canon.

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              well there we go
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                Technically speaking, every time you travel at or faster than the speed of light, you are time traveling. With R2 being VERY irresponsible with all the lightspeed jumps in the ride, really every scene we visit shouldn't fit the time line, and everyone we know and love died years ago. Thanks R2. Thanks.

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                  Originally posted by Pizzapants View Post
                  Technically speaking, every time you travel at or faster than the speed of light, you are time traveling. With R2 being VERY irresponsible with all the lightspeed jumps in the ride, really every scene we visit shouldn't fit the time line, and everyone we know and love died years ago. Thanks R2. Thanks.
                  so rename it Back to the Future lol
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                  • #10
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                    This was addressed hilariously in the latest Some Jerk With a Camera review (which I can't post unfortunately due to site rules). But basically there's a scene where the Imagineers are talking to George Lucas and Lucas asks "How come we don't go to Hoth?" The Imagineers explain it wouldn't make sense due to the film's setting to which Lucas replies "Who cares?" )

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by toonaspie View Post
                      This was addressed hilariously in the latest Some Jerk With a Camera review (which I can't post unfortunately due to site rules). But basically there's a scene where the Imagineers are talking to George Lucas and Lucas asks "How come we don't go to Hoth?" The Imagineers explain it wouldn't make sense due to the film's setting to which Lucas replies "Who cares?" )
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                        Originally posted by Coheteboy View Post
                        If you take a really close look at C-3PO's instrument panel in the queue, you'll see something written in Aurebesh (the star wars language) that translates into FLUX CAP. An inside joke perhaps that acknowledges the break in space time continuum?

                        I've asked several imagineers this question and it basically comes down to this. There was no way they were making this ride without Hoth. George Lucas wanted it. When Imagineers came back to him about the timeline he said he didn't care. This isn't the movies. It's Disneyland. Let the guests have fun.

                        So that's why it's there. We aren't meant to take it literally and yes, I know.. I'm kind of annoyed by it too somewhat but it's also one of my favorite destinations.


                        I actually have a bigger issue with Yoda being in the holoprojections. He should have escaped to Dagobah by now.

                        ---------- Post added 06-22-2012 at 02:09 AM ----------

                        See the picture of the Flux Cap. from the screen here:

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                        Thats cool, but its SO freakin small. How in the heck is anyone supposed to see that? I sure would not have noticed it.
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                        • #13
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                          I never put too much stock into the timeline. Once Hoth was announced I knew it was going to be out of the timeline. I still love the attraction. And OMG imagine that George Lucas not caring about screwing up his universe!!!! The same guy who is on record saying greedo always shot first /barf
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                          • #14
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                            ^I was thinking the same. I assume the Imagineers had to point it out.
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                              Originally posted by biggsworth View Post
                              And OMG imagine that George Lucas not caring about screwing up his universe!!!! The same guy who is on record saying greedo always shot first /barf
                              Also he refuses to release the original versions of the movies. Sigh.

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                                Re: Hoth breaks the Star Wars timeline in Star Tours

                                There is a video on the Star Wars Blu-ray set... but this was a George Lucas decision. When imagineers pitched the idea to him... he said what about Hoth? And they said well we have great ideas for it, but it would be breaking the timeline... George Lucas sort of said... who cares?

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Hoth breaks the Star Wars timeline in Star Tours

                                  Originally posted by explodingboy View Post
                                  Also he refuses to release the original versions of the movies. Sigh.

                                  If you haven't seen "The People vs. George Lucas" it's incredible. You can stream it on Netflix. It's a must watch for any Star Wars junkie.

                                  Oh yeah I own that one. It's great and sad at the same time!!! And not to go way off topic but I really hate the prequels. You ever seen the Vader noooooo added to other movies you can find it on youtube it is hilarious!!!!
                                  Last edited by biggsworth; 06-22-2012, 09:55 AM.
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                                  New DCA trip report
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                                  HKDL trip report

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                                    I don't worry about timeline. Otherwise I would be spending many a sleepless night pondering on how two droids, who are supposedly stationed on Tantive IV under Commander Antilles' watch, can acheive the liberty to go out and work side-jobs for Star Tours.

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                                      Re: Hoth breaks the Star Wars timeline in Star Tours

                                      Originally posted by Linus View Post
                                      The battle at Hoth should not be included in the ride as it is out of time.

                                      Star Tours takes place between Ep. 3 & 4. The rebel base on Hoth isn't discovered by the Empire until Empire Strikes Back.

                                      So the ship must have a Flux Capacitor aboard or something!

                                      PS: Sorry if someone already mentioned this on the forum
                                      You're totally right, but Ive started thinking of the new Star Tours as a tribute to the entire trilogy (and the Original Star Tours) instead of a logical sequel to Episode 3.
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                                      • #20
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                                        Dont think the original intention was for the ride, old or current version, to fit into movie cannon.
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