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  • #21
    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Originally posted by sleepybear View Post
    I don't think Anaheim is the place for this. When people think Anaheim they think Disneyland and Mickey Mouse. Look at what they learned from the 50th anniversary and from DCA 1.0. I believe that regardless of the popularity of this franchise (and I love Marvel), a park like this would be empty. And we Micechatters would call it DCA--Redux.

    Take the money you want to spend on this and further improve what we have. There are plenty of projects to be done.
    I would have to disagree with you on that.

    Southern California is one of the largest hot-spots as far as the comic book generation is concerned. I believe if its done right you could hit every demographic out there. Young, old, family, boys, girls, teens, and everything else in between. Marvel has been around since 1961 (1939 if you count Timely Publications) so I think it has the potential of grabbing and keeping an audience.

    If hundreds of thousands of people flock to Comic-con every year in San Diego I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for a park dedicated to the Marvel Universe. That is, of course, if it was built and themed right (obviously why DCA 1.0 didn't work, not because it was geared towards the older generation but because it was built CHEAP). For this to be done right it would have to be WWoHP but on mass amounts of steroids and HGH...and maybe a little creatine just for fun
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    • #22
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      ^^i could see them using the Asgard palace from Thor as the parks icon... There are so many different settings for marvel outside of the mundane New York setting that most associate with super heroes.
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      • #23
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        ^I was about to say...Comic Con sells out in less then a day...I am very sure that there are comic fans here...and heck very big movie fans


        Still have no clue why we don't have Star Wars Weekends here..they'd be huge
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        • #24
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          Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
          Im most worried about what the park as a whole will look like. Harry potter has the awesome wizarding world to flesh out. Cars land had the giant rock formations and the cute town of RS...but what about marvel? What are the marvel lands going to look like? The only marvel land I can think that will be pleasant to be in will be stark expo. Everything else takes place in a boring generic city. Xaviers mutant school might be cool.
          There are tons of locations reaching from space to jungles to deserts, to forests. Marvel has traveled into the past and into the future as well...I don't think that locations would be an issue

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          Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
          ^I was about to say...Comic Con sells out in less then a day...I am very sure that there are comic fans here...and heck very big movie fans


          Still have no clue why we don't have Star Wars Weekends here..they'd be huge
          They just had an "Unofficial Star Wars Day" this passed weekend but I agree with you! Bring Star Wars Weekends here!
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          • #25
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            That is, of course, if it was built and themed right (obviously why DCA 1.0 didn't work, not because it was geared towards the older generation but because it was built CHEAP).
            When you look at the amount of family and Character based rides and experiences that have been added to DCA since 2001. You know the problems were not just because it was built on the cheap. It didn't appeal or interest a lot of the people that visit Disneyland. Thats why it failed!
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            • #26
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              Originally posted by Malin View Post
              When you look at the amount of family and Character based rides and experiences that have been added to DCA since 2001. You know the problems were not just because it was built on the cheap. It didn't appeal or interest a lot of the people that visit Disneyland. Thats why it failed!
              The only time I noticed DCA doing ANYTHING was after they initiated the remake of the park. Once that was annouced everything started changing. Of course NOW DCA is seeing HUGE numbers because BVS and CL are the climax to this billion dollar renovation.

              Before that DCA was an Eyesore that was built cheaply and very Pun-centric and it seemed like something spewed out of the 90's and not in a good way. The only ride added that made any kind of impact before the remodel was ToT. So I stick true to my original assesment that DCA was built on the extreme cheap side of things...people can smell B.S. a mile away and knew that from the begining and there was nothing there to hold your attention for more than 3 hours out of your day only to head back into Disneyland.
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              • #27
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                Let them do another park, just don't put the attractions in Disneyland. I know all the arguments (Star Wars, Indy) but those are classic and timeless. Not sure Avengers will be in 25 years from now.

                If they do another park, it clearly has to be supremely themed and immersive. Otherwise you just have another Six Flags or Islands of Adventure. That's not Disney IMO.

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                • #28
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                  ^Pirates...the Matterhorn...HM....Big Thunder Space...the Subs....Space Mountain...the classic's are not based on movies yet people still like them

                  DCA had only a few things it really did right...THAT is why it failed not because Mickey was not on the funwheel....I like many just like Carsland because of its Quality not the characters
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                  • #29
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                    I'm not against a Marvel Park but I have to recall how many people felt California was too restrictive of a theme for a Disney Park. I would have bet everything I owned on a 3rd gate having a theme where Disney could add more Pixar attractions.

                    Although I am intrigued by the thoughts of a Marvel park and I do agree there are a lot of fans out there but will it draw 8-9 million people annually solely on Marvel? I'm not sure. I would love to see what they have up their sleeve though. Again, if they go all out, maybe it will be amazing. But it's a risk for sure.

                    Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
                    Still have no clue why we don't have Star Wars Weekends here..they'd be huge
                    I feel the same way. As someone who just came back (suffered) from SWW, it would be amazing to have that experience without wilting in a Florida steambath so I could actually enjoy it and not fear of passing out from the heat. I was told the Build a Droid factory should be coming to Disneyland soon. I always thought SWW would be a great thing to add to Disneyland like weekends in February to drive up a slow time of the year.

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                    • #30
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                      Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
                      What are the marvel lands going to look like? The only marvel land I can think that will be pleasant to be in will be stark expo. Everything else takes place in a boring generic city.
                      I would assume some kind of city would be the 'Main Street' of a Marvel park. I dunno, I'd look forward to a boring, generic city if they gave it the BVS treatment. The city sets in DHS are nice enough, I bet they could take it to an entirely different level.


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                      • #31
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                        The only time I noticed DCA doing ANYTHING was after they initiated the remake of the park. Once that was annouced everything started changing. Of course NOW DCA is seeing HUGE numbers because BVS and CL are the climax to this billion dollar renovation.

                        Before that DCA was an Eyesore that was built cheaply and very Pun-centric and it seemed like something spewed out of the 90's and not in a good way. The only ride added that made any kind of impact before the remodel was ToT. So I stick true to my original assesment that DCA was built on the extreme cheap side of things...people can smell B.S. a mile away and knew that from the begining and there was nothing there to hold your attention for more than 3 hours out of your day only to head back into Disneyland.
                        If that was the only reason it failed. Why did WDI not just continue to build thill rides and non Character themed attractions to that park like Tower of Terror. Because the Guests survey's indicated people wanted more family attractions and Characters.
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                        • #32
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                          I would hope only $200... I would guess a 50% increase.

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                          • #33
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                            Originally posted by Malin View Post
                            If that was the only reason it failed. Why did WDI not just continue to build thill rides and non Character themed attractions to that park like Tower of Terror. Because the Guests survey's indicated people wanted more family attractions and Characters.
                            So family attractions is why Maliboomer, Orange Stinger, Pizza Ooo Mow Mow, Burger Invasions, The Sunglass Shack, The Golden Dreams, and the Sunshine Plaza was taken out? Because only two of those were rides

                            The problem didn't seem to be family attractions and characters. the GLARING problem was QUALITY and VALUE, simply put...there was none. People are excited about DCA more because of the fact that there is life finally breathed into it. BVS seems alive and energetic and there are no family rides there. Cars Land is huge not just because of the rides but because the quality and value put into that sections blow away anything DLR has done since Indiana Jones. Its a living and breathing enviroment and THAT will bring people into a park. That is why people want to go see it and experience it. To me the rides are almost secondary compared to the lavish set piece that is built around it
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                            • #34
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                              a marvel park wouldn't work. but! a land in dca would do of the avengers for a prototype.
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                              • #35
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                                Originally posted by Malin View Post
                                Marvel is popular but is it popular enough to have its own park. Targetting males and you are missing a huge number of your audience. With Disneyland now wanting to be the Westcoast Disney World. Its going to have to appeal and provide multiple day experiences for all Members of the Family. A family with two young Princesses are not going to want to be taken around a Marvel themed thrill park. And so will visit DL & DCA and avoid spending an extra day here for this proposed other park.
                                And a family w/ two young, thrillseeking Avengers will not want to be taken around DL & DCA. This is why a third theme park is the only feasible solution.
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                                • #36
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                                  Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
                                  ^Pirates...the Matterhorn...HM....Big Thunder Space...the Subs....Space Mountain...the classic's are not based on movies yet people still like them

                                  DCA had only a few things it really did right...THAT is why it failed not because Mickey was not on the funwheel....I like many just like Carsland because of its Quality not the characters
                                  Not sure where you were going with this in reference to my quote. The rides you listed are still among my favorites, with Pirates being at the top.

                                  My point was solely around movie franchises and I was not calling ST and IJA the only classic rides in DL. In my opinion, Star Wars and Indiana Jones (their rides are classic as well as those you listed) will be remembered and loved well after people start forgetting about the Avengers (and Avatar as far as that goes).

                                  I would love if Disney would come up with original attractions without a movie/franchise tie in but I think that is less likely in today's environment.

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                                  • #37
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                                    So family attractions is why Maliboomer, Orange Stinger, Pizza Ooo Mow Mow, Burger Invasions, The Sunglass Shack, The Golden Dreams, and the Sunshine Plaza was taken out? Because only two of those were rides
                                    I would not consider the Maliboomer a family attraction. It was a thrill ride which is not something the whole family could enjoy like for instance Pirates of the Carribean.

                                    Orange Stinger was not taken out. Its still at the park but has been given a Character makeover. Golden Dreams was taken out and replaced by the family and Character driven Under the Sea Attraction.

                                    BVS seems alive and energetic and there are no family rides there.
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                                    • #38
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                                      Originally posted by Broadway Guru View Post
                                      And a family w/ two young, thrillseeking Avengers will not want to be taken around DL & DCA. This is why a third theme park is the only feasible solution.
                                      I would somewhat disagree with both of you, but moreso this latter quote. Assuming by Avengers you mean boys, I can pretty much guarantee young boys will enjoy Disneyland (as they have for decades) and DCA (especially DCA 2.0).

                                      I will agree that a third park is an option but I don't see Disney building a park that alienates a significant target audience, families (with little boys or little girls).

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                                      • #39
                                        Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                                        Originally posted by Malin View Post
                                        I would not consider the Maliboomer a family attraction. It was a thrill ride which is not something the whole family could enjoy like for instance Pirates of the Carribean.

                                        Orange Stinger was not taken out. Its still at the park but has been given a Character makeover. Golden Dreams was taken out and replaced by the family and Character driven Under the Sea Attraction.



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                                        So you would agree with me that the quality of those that were either taken out or re-themed lacked quality, correct?

                                        Red Car Trolley is a mode of transportation. You can call it a ride but I see it in the same aspect as the Omnibus
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                                        • #40
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                                          Originally posted by Broadway Guru View Post
                                          And a family w/ two young, thrillseeking Avengers will not want to be taken around DL & DCA. This is why a third theme park is the only feasible solution.
                                          This is why you recreate a park that appeals to all audiences and not just one. Both Disneyland and DCA cater to this audience. A teen and adult park featuring just Marvel Superhero's would not appeal to everyone. Disney California Adventure has the thrill rides like Screamin, Tower of Terror and Grizzly. But is also features more family fun attractions like Mermaid and Toy Story. It has something that will appeal to everyone.
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