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  • #41
    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Im 23 and I love Disneyland and California Adventure. But if a park for Avengers was built by Disney that was somewhat like Magic Mountain I would choose that park any day of the week. I still enjoy Disneyland but when I go I usually only go on the thrill rides and a few of the kiddie rides. So a park with all thrill rides would do it for me

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    • #42
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      So you would agree with me that the quality of those that were either taken out or re-themed lacked quality, correct?
      Not really I would not dispute the park lacked quality themed areas. But it was not the sole reason why the park failed. Characters and the lack of family attractions were two massive reasons it failed and not just the look of the park.
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      • #43
        Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

        Originally posted by Malin View Post
        Not really I would not dispute the park lacked quality themed areas. But it was not the sole reason why the park failed. Characters and the lack of family attractions were two massive reasons it failed and not just the look of the park.
        agree to disagree, I respect your outlook and how you see it. Why don't we just say it was a culmination of poor quality, and a lack of family attractions and call it a day

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        • #44
          Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

          I'm happy to agree with that

          Like I say I don't disagree with you. But I just feel its more then just that reason alone why the park failed. And why I have deep concerns for a Marvel themepark in the Anaheim area.
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          • #45
            Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

            Originally posted by stevek View Post
            I will agree that a third park is an option but I don't see Disney building a park that alienates a significant target audience, families (with little boys or little girls).
            How is Marvel alienating families? I'm pretty sure there were different types of families that watched "The Avengers" together. To simply stereotype Marvel as a boy-centric brand is a bit shortsighted. I know many girls and women who thoroughly enjoyed Marvel movies... the fact that "The Avengers" is the top grossing movie says a lot, it made more money than "The Princess & the Frog" or "Tangled".

            You know, Stan Lee had the same problem in the 80s. He went to the different studios and tried to sell Marvel properties, all the major studios turned him down saying that a full fledged live-action movie based on comics would not work for different reasons. It took a couple decades for these studios to fully realize the potential. Now that Marvel is part of Disney, it is eventual we will see something from Marvel in Anaheim whether you guys like it or not. Disney can't simply ignore the possibilities, an entity that is making money and new fans (aka brand loyalists).

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            • #46
              Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

              Maybe a Marvel Park will be good for girls to enjoy. Teach them there is more than just being a princess, you can be a strong independant girl who doesn't always need a prince to come save her.

              Which is why I actually loved watching Brave, it was a great family movie and it was nice to see a princess who wasn't in desperate need to find her love.
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              • #47
                Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                How is Marvel alienating families?
                According to the Hollywood Reporter only 24% of the audience that watched the Avengers on opening Weekend were Families. I don't see how building a park themed specifically to Marvel is going to appeal to the Disneyland fanbase.
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                • #48
                  Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                  Originally posted by LOST View Post
                  How is Marvel alienating families? I'm pretty sure there were different types of families that watched "The Avengers" together. To simply stereotype Marvel as a boy-centric brand is a bit shortsighted. I know many girls and women who thoroughly enjoyed Marvel movies... the fact that "The Avengers" is the top grossing movie says a lot, it made more money than "The Princess & the Frog" or "Tangled".
                  My premise is solely based on Disney building a full fleged, all thrill ride park. IF they do that, they are unlikely to attract the classic Disney Family demographic (i.e. families with little girls, little boys) at the same level Disneyland and DCA (now) will. Which ultimately may be ok for them as they could be attracting new fans or people that have outgrown Disneyland/DCA.

                  Who knows, they could build something that appeals to all ages...it's all speculation at this point.

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                  • #49
                    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                    Originally posted by Malin View Post
                    This is why you recreate a park that appeals to all audiences and not just one.
                    Appealing to "all audiences" is the old Disney. Today's Disney is a media marketing corporation run by media marketing experts -- targeting specific brands to specific demographics is their specialty; using theme parks as platforms for promoting brands is their business model. A third gate targeted to fans of action, adventure and thrills (which is a huge demographic), is a perfect fit for the DLR -- the first two gates take care of the girl, senior and family-with-young-kids demographics.


                    Originally posted by Malin View Post
                    I don't see how building a park themed specifically to Marvel is going to appeal to the Disneyland fanbase.
                    The third gate wouldn't have to be themed only to Marvel. And appealing to a fanbase beyond Disneyland's would be the point.
                    Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 06-26-2012, 12:29 PM.
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                    it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                    together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                    designed to appeal to everyone."

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                    • #50
                      Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                      Marvel and Avengers aren't one in the same.

                      Marvel is a brand of superheros. There have been media produced by marvel aimed at both family and adult audiences. Take for example the Disney Channels, Avengers, Earths Mightiest Heros. That is aimed at a family/younger generation.

                      I think overall the brand is very flexable.

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                      • #51
                        Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                        Originally posted by Malin View Post
                        According to the Hollywood Reporter only 24% of the audience that watched the Avengers on opening Weekend were Families. I don't see how building a park themed specifically to Marvel is going to appeal to the Disneyland fanbase.
                        Well, if we put things in perspective: twenty four percent of $1.438 Billion is $345,120,000. That's ALOT of money from families.

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                        • #52
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                          part of the problem with the original DCA was not just the quality and number of attractions. it had to compete with DL. a third gate will have this and more.

                          most guests come to the resort with park hoppers so the third gate will have to compete with a megapark. whether the third gate is Marvel or something else it will need to be big and well executed in order to compete with the DL/DCA combo.

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                          • #53
                            Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                            Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                            Appealing to "all audiences" is the old Disney. Today's Disney is a media marketing corporation run by media marketing experts -- targeting specific brands to specific demographics is their specialty. Using theme parks as platforms for promoting brands is their business model. A DLR third gate targeted to fans of action, adventure and thrills (which is a huge demographic), is a perfect fit for Disney -- the first two gates take care of the girl, preschool and family demographics.
                            I was under the impression Disney wanted Disneyland to become a West Coast WDW. Having families stay on site for multiple days at a time. This plans seems to fall through if Disney want to build something thats not going to appeal to its regular audience. It tried to make DCA the adventure and thrills Park. And it failed how will it be different this time around. Its not exactly been a huge suscess for Universal. Because both Orlando and Japan which have the Spiderman ride are still struggling to compete against Disney. And this is despite the fact WDW has hardly in the last few years invested any money on new attractions for the parks.

                            Well, if we put things in perspective: twenty four percent of $1.438 Billion is $345,120,000. That's ALOT of money from families.
                            But if you only have 24% of the people staying in Anaheim that are interested in visiting a Marvel Park. Thats 76% that won't visit the park and will leave a day earlier. Thats a lot of potential money Disney are risking losing here.
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                            • #54
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                              Originally posted by Malin View Post
                              I was under the impression Disney wanted Disneyland to become a West Coast WDW. Having families stay on site for multiple days at a time. This plans seems to fall through if Disney want to build something thats not going to appeal to its regular audience.
                              Geographically in its compact size and California location, and demographically in its enormous base of AP locals, DLR is a very different animal than WDW. An action-adventure third gate is not a guaranteed no-appeal to DLR's "regular audience" (which these days is hugely heterogeneous), any more than an action-adventure ride like Indy and a roller coaster like Big Thunder excludes those who also love to ride Peter Pan and POTC.

                              An action-adventure third gate would expand the DLR brand, not diminish it. Assuming, of course, it was properly planned and executed.
                              "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                              it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                              together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                              designed to appeal to everyone."

                              - Walt Disney

                              "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                              - Michael Eisner

                              "It's very symbiotic."
                              - Bob Chapek

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                              • #55
                                Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                                Well, years ago they also made a Star Wars park mock-up. It could just be to get an idea of the possibilities... very blue sky. I think a Marvel park stands a better chance of being built than a Star Wars park, even though I'd prefer to see a Star Wars park happen.

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                                • #56
                                  Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                                  Marvel has more than enough different themed properties in its roster to appeal to pretty much everyone. Marvel is more than Avengers and X-Men

                                  And I can think of quite a few posters on this board that would be estatic that Marvel would get its own park instead of being put into an existing one.

                                  As for the Star Wars weekends, compare DHS where their Star Tours is to our Tomorrowland. Much more room. Star Wars weekend in Disneyland would be a nightmare before the Tomorrowland expansion Al laid down in the article
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                                  • #57
                                    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                                    Originally posted by Malin View Post
                                    But if you only have 24% of the people staying in Anaheim that are interested in visiting a Marvel Park. Thats 76% that won't visit the park and will leave a day earlier. Thats a lot of potential money Disney are risking losing here.
                                    Or the potential audience to be gained? Not everyone that goes to DCA and Disneyland are nuclear families. In the past few years, I've been going to the Disneyland Resort more with friends and colleagues. As a twentysomething male AP, I enjoy a variety of aspects that the Resort has to offer.. In the last couple months I've ridden the Storybook Boats to Snow White's Scary Adventures, and I also thoroughly enjoy Indiana Jones to Star Tours. To just simply stereotype that a specific demographic will only enjoy a specific branding is ludicrous. In conclusion, I do believe it is possible to bring families into a Marvel Park that is imagineered by Disney.

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                                    • #58
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                                      Originally posted by stevek View Post
                                      Let them do another park, just don't put the attractions in Disneyland. I know all the arguments (Star Wars, Indy) but those are classic and timeless.
                                      The Avengers and Marvel as a whole have been around much longer than either of those properties named as classics.
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                                      • #59
                                        Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                                        Originally posted by Nemo123 View Post
                                        Im 23 and I love Disneyland and California Adventure. But if a park for Avengers was built by Disney that was somewhat like Magic Mountain I would choose that park any day of the week. I still enjoy Disneyland but when I go I usually only go on the thrill rides and a few of the kiddie rides. So a park with all thrill rides would do it for me
                                        To me, this would be the best approach to a Marvel park. However Disney would still have several issues on their hands. The first being that Disney would be criticize for having a park that seems more in design with DCA 1.0. Fans would be outraged and would feel that Disney is selling out their brand for lower grade Six Flags style theme park approach.

                                        The second problem might be even bigger: if the Marvel Park is going to be on DLR property, Disney will want guests to pay the same price to go this park as they do for DL and DCA. I don't think there is anyway that a Marvel thrill park would warrant the same high admission prices as the other two Disney parks. The ticket prices would have to be the same as for any local Six Flags-like thrill park or close enough if they are to win over thrill park guests on a frequent basis.

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                                        • #60
                                          Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

                                          Originally posted by toonaspie View Post
                                          To me, this would be the best approach to a Marvel park. However Disney would still have several issues on their hands. The first being that Disney would be criticize for having a park that seems more in design with DCA 1.0. Fans would be outraged and would feel that Disney is selling out their brand for lower grade Six Flags style theme park approach.

                                          The second problem might be even bigger: if the Marvel Park is going to be on DLR property, Disney will want guests to pay the same price to go this park as they do for DL and DCA. I don't think there is anyway that a Marvel thrill park would warrant the same high admission prices as the other two Disney parks. The ticket prices would have to be the same as for any local Six Flags-like thrill park or close enough if they are to win over thrill park guests on a frequent basis.

                                          Well I would hope that it being made by Disney it would not be a Six-Flags'esque, generic coaster with a superhero name slapped on it park.

                                          Pretty sure they wont repeat the mistakes of DCA 1.0
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