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  • [Chat] stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

    why is alot of people saying that the Marvel park will be "six flags anaheim"? is this because magic mountain builds super hero coasters? disney and magic mountain are two completely different parks and should never be compared. i know many imagineers who want to be attached to this project and believe me it wont be anything close to an amusement park

    marvel will make a great park
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    Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

    ugh! i dont understand this either. Six flags builds roller coasters, not disney. People need to understand that marvel does not mean big roller coasters and cheap theming. The best example of this is Carsland. When RSR was announced all I thought it was going to be was some kind of test track rehash but, disney gave us so much more than that! I feel people are looking at Marvel the same way. "Its just marvel what could they do with it but make roller coasters." Carsland is based off two movies, just think what could happen with hundreds maybe even thousands of comics as resource martial.
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      Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

      Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
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      • #4
        Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

        People go by what they have already seen. (i.e. six flags and IOA) and now that it's been that way for yearsssss, it becomes an automatic relation. It gets frustrating at times for sure.

        There is soooooo much you can do with the Marvrl Universe and if anyone can harness that potential it would be Disney. I would love too see what Disney and Marvel designers could come up
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        • #5
          Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

          Plus, people need to remember that Six Flags does DC Comics attractions. Not Marvel. Duh! x) lol
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          • #6
            Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

            Originally posted by SS77 View Post
            Plus, people need to remember that Six Flags does DC Comics attractions. Not Marvel. Duh! x) lol
            It's like guests asking where Magic Mountain is at Disneyland.

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            • #7
              Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

              Space Mountain
              Magic Mountain
              Magic Kingdom

              it's very confusing.

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              • #8
                Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                To me this is the inherent problem with branding a park as a Marvel park. It doesn't matter what it is in reality because you're going to be fighting against the preconceived notions of a large amount of the public. There's a reason Walt tried so hard to differentiate DL from typical amusement parks, because he wanted people to recognize that his park was going to be different. But I don't think that will work with a brand that people already have an idea about how it typically appears in parks. This is only amplified in So Cal by Magic Mountain and its relationship with DC. Most people won't really know much other then its a comic book based park and assume it's geared towards teens and young adults. It may bother you that this is people's reaction, but I'm pretty certain this reaction will be even stronger among the general public.

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                • #9
                  Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                  I'm with you MrsMonroe, the problem is we're so used to seeing the way Six Flags executed super heroes into their parks (which is of course, not the best) with tacky entertainment, life-less (visual wise) roller coasters and endless outdoor switchback queues with large TVs advertising some over priced souvenir cup.

                  If Disney wants a successful Marvel attraction/park, they need to get the public's mind off of what they already know. Something bold, something new.

                  I think Six Flags set the standard of super heroes being an "adult thing" with large roller coasters and thrill rides. If Disney can change that standard, they might have a hit with Marvel in the parks!

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                  • #10
                    Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                    Do we even know if there is going to be a Marvel gate for sure? Seems like comparing a park that doesn't exist (or getting angry about comparing the non-existent park to another park) shouldn't even be a thing yet.

                    Call me crazy.


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                    • #11
                      Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                      First post!

                      Six Flags Magic Mountain and Disneyland are two totally different theme parks. Disney takes a lot more pride in their parks and I think they can tackle any concept (except DCA 1.0). I'm a little dazed with an entire park being Marvel but at the same time, I'm excited because I LOVE Marvel and I want to see what the Imagineers have come up with. We may not even be getting this park but I've been coming up with ways of how it might look in my head and it looks pretty darn good to me. I'd really like to see some concept artwork. Now that would be cool.
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                      • #12
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                        I would think building a Marvel park would be a huge risk. YOu are limited to only Marvel characters. It would be really hard to tie in goofy in as uper hero custom in the park. So it seems like they would have to just concentrate on Marvel and no "disney".

                        Then comes the challenge of what type of rides.. It's Disney, they arent known for having lots of roller coasters or extreme thrill rides. But it would be tough to make an entire park of iron man and hulk dark rides. It would also be hard to keep away fomr too much 3D projections.

                        After the failure of DCA in 2001, I can't believe Disney would take another risk like that within 15-30 years.

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                        • #13
                          Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                          Originally posted by Uncle Bob View Post
                          There's a reason Walt tried so hard to differentiate DL from typical amusement parks, because he wanted people to recognize that his park was going to be different.
                          And that's where the Imagineers will have the ability to revolutionize that standard, it's taking that bold and giant risk to carry Disney to a whole new level. It has also been frustrating for me to see the preconceived notions that Superheroes=amusement park and Disney=theme park and that Disney incapable of producing a high-quality Marvel theme park.

                          If we lived with that logic, then The Haunted Mansion should have never been built, cause there's been a plethora of established haunted houses across the world, especially in amusement parks and carnivals. Splash Mountain would never have existed, cause in a few miles away, Knott's Berry Farm has their own log flume ride, Timber Mountain Log Ride, built in 1969. Pirates of the Caribbean would never work cause the attraction will never co-exist with Mickey Mouse and Sleeping Beauty, these sinful Pirates would never fit with the Disney brand. These are all notions that Walt Disney and the Company have been able to knock down.

                          For the most part, Disney Parks have brought people to different worlds.. they have done this through going into the minds of authors and filmmakers. Disney now has an upperhand creatively, they now own an entity where they have plenty source material to work with. A Marvel theme park will make it possible to transport guests to alternate universes, some that have never been attempted in the theme park industry.

                          ...as they say, "With great power comes great respectability".

                          People must recognize that Marvel is now part of the Disney family, a comic book entity that has existed since 1939. There are thousands of characters and hundreds of worlds that Disney Imagineers will be able to choose from. We will have to welcome this family into the neighborhood, whether you guys like it or not. There is also a very loyal clientele that will go to a theme park like this, San Diego Comic-Con is evidence that there will be a clientele that will be willing to spend money to travel from distant miles and are willing to spend a lot of money on souvenirs (especially on exclusive merchandise, One Disney has to go though!!!). Disney fans in my demographic will also catch on to this too, I'm pretty sure about that. Heck, some Disney fans are comic book fans. We have no idea where Marvel will go, heck, they may be planning a Marvel region on the Submarine-Autopia-Motorboat-Innoventions area as we speak. I'd be okay with that, as long as it makes thematic sense and provides a well crafted environment for guests of all ages to explore... but I personally think a Marvel theme park built on quality Disney economics (DCA 2.0 or DisneySea standard of course) is in the realm of possibility.

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                            Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                            Originally posted by ArchimedesWhatWhat View Post
                            I would think building a Marvel park would be a huge risk. YOu are limited to only Marvel characters. It would be really hard to tie in goofy in as uper hero custom in the park. So it seems like they would have to just concentrate on Marvel and no "disney".

                            Then comes the challenge of what type of rides.. It's Disney, they arent known for having lots of roller coasters or extreme thrill rides. But it would be tough to make an entire park of iron man and hulk dark rides. It would also be hard to keep away fomr too much 3D projections.

                            After the failure of DCA in 2001, I can't believe Disney would take another risk like that within 15-30 years.
                            I really...don't see an ALL marvel park...I see it being one of the larger land but a whole park...We have to remember Al's article are pure rumors and besides that things change
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                            • #15
                              Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                              To everyone saying "Oh a park based on only Marvel is terrible, its one property"

                              Well, wasnt Disneyland itself based on Disney? I dont understand why its ok for that but not ok for Marvel?
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                              • #16
                                Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                                Originally posted by Wren View Post
                                I dont understand why its ok for that but not ok for Marvel?
                                I don't understand why people are comparing a park that doesn't even exist to another park.


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                                • #17
                                  Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                                  Originally posted by Wren View Post
                                  To everyone saying "Oh a park based on only Marvel is terrible, its one property"

                                  Well, wasnt Disneyland itself based on Disney? I dont understand why its ok for that but not ok for Marvel?
                                  It wasn't just limited to Disney though. Most if the rides had no disney tie in at all. It's OK a park is only limited to Marvel brand, but this issue is Disney would have to stick with that, and couldn't really introduce Disney into that park. It would really trhow things off having a Captain American Mickey meet and greet. But it would be a "Disney" park. So it would be a tough sell for Disney, to sell to the public. Come to a Disney park that has no Disney in it. (Huh, that's kinda how DCA 1.0 was)

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                                    Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                                    Originally posted by ArchimedesWhatWhat View Post
                                    It wasn't just limited to Disney though. Most if the rides had no disney tie in at all. It's OK a park is only limited to Marvel brand, but this issue is Disney would have to stick with that, and couldn't really introduce Disney into that park. It would really trhow things off having a Captain American Mickey meet and greet. But it would be a "Disney" park. So it would be a tough sell for Disney, to sell to the public. Come to a Disney park that has no Disney in it. (Huh, that's kinda how DCA 1.0 was)
                                    Will it have the Disney label to it, like DCA does, or it will simply stand on its own as Marvel, who just happens to be owned by Disney?
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                                    • #19
                                      Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                                      Originally posted by Wren View Post
                                      Well, wasnt Disneyland itself based on Disney?
                                      Based on Disney films? Well, Fantasyland was at least. Other than that, not so much...

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: stop comparing the marvel park to six flags!

                                        Originally posted by OliviaVonDrake View Post
                                        Based on Disney films? Well, Fantasyland was at least. Other than that, not so much...

                                        True, but when Walt was building Disneyland, he didnt have over 50 years of material to reference like Marvel does.
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