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  • #41
    Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

    Originally posted by sbk1234 View Post
    FOr those unhappy that people with disabilities may "jump" to the front of the line, here's a simple solution. Find a way to grant everyone with a disability perfect health. That way they won't get a special "favor" of special assistance, and you won't wait as long. It's win/win.

    Until then, I'm happy to wait a little longer for t hose who aren't as lucky as I am to be in good health.
    This. Well said.
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    • #42
      Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

      Originally posted by Tay*uh View Post
      I recently had reconstructive foot/ankle surgery. I've posted it before in one of the other recent threads so I'll spare you ...
      I read that other post, and I have seen your siggy... omg, did you have an accident while skydiving??? yikes!

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      • #43
        Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

        Originally posted by TSTLSOOM View Post
        there is also a reason why they started to make everything in DCA wheelchair accessable
        There is an official name for that reason. It's called the Americans with Disabilities Act.
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        • #44
          Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

          I've always thought that someone with a disability should get on attractions faster. Someone with a mobility issue doesn't necesscarily have the same ability the rest of us do to dash back and forth across the park to collect Fastpasses, to be there for rope drop, to get in and out of the washroom quickly, etc.

          The downside is, the faster someone with a GAC can get on an attraction, the more the system will be abused. To what degree the system is abused, we have no way of knowing. I guess the best solution is to allow disabled guests somewhat faster boarding, but not so fast (i.e. go straight to the front of the line) that it's worth it for an able-bodied person to fake it.

          I know it's the law, but I've never understood why zero proof is required. Why can't Disney require confirmation of what someone's restrictions are? This doesn't have to entail anyone disclosing their specific medical condition. If someone didn't realize they needed proof, there could still be leeway. Just take the person's word the first time, and require a note at a reasonable time in the future. For a local, just note on their passholder file that they need a note within 30 days for example.

          I can't take extended sick leave at work without a doctor's note. I can't get a disabled parking pass without a note. Why can I get a GAC based solely on my word?
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          • #45
            Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

            Originally posted by BC_DisneyGeek View Post
            I can't take extended sick leave at work without a doctor's note. I can't get a disabled parking pass without a note. Why can I get a GAC based solely on my word?
            Again, this is the ADA laws. They cannot ask for it. The laws would have to be changed.

            The DMV is a government body, so they can ask for it. Your employer can ask for a Doctor note after X# of days since the number of days you are sick pertains to disability insurance (again, a government thing as is asking about your illness since the employer may have to decide if you can go back based on your position)... going to DLR is totally different. They play by the rules of a private entity that is open to the public.

            In order for things to change in the way you are talking about, a law would have to amend the current ADA laws. If enough abuse is happening at themeparks, resorts, hotels, casinos, malls, etc., there will be change. But I am guessing if this change comes, it is slow going.

            Also, someone correct me if I am wrong... Calif has a "higher" level of ADA requirements than the national laws??? I know in NV there are things I can ask that would be a no-no in Calif.

            Personalllly, I do not see much abuse. But then again, I try to go to parks during the off season.

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            • #46
              Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

              There but for the grace of god go I.

              Izzy in Wonderland and Wild ol' Dan, I love your posts.

              There is a reason that ADA laws have been passed, because as a society we are generally selfish and thoughtless of those in need and that ends up meaning we need a little push. I have zero problem letting those in worse health than myself "go ahead" of me.


              ---------- Post added 07-15-2012 at 01:22 AM ----------

              Jmazz, yes. California building requirements are some of the more ADA friendly in the nation.
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              • #47
                Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                Originally posted by Mom kissed Walt View Post
                Jmazz, yes. California building requirements are some of the more ADA friendly in the nation.
                In that post, we were discussing what can and cannot be asked by guest services, not building codes. Do you know if it is more strict in regards to the questions a CM can ask?

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                • #48
                  Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                  JMazz-California building codes are pretty strict as far as walkways, hallways, doors, lifts, etc for all buildings. Every building must meet ADA compliancy codes as far as width, ramp elevation, sink height even where light switches are placed and such regardless of what it is being used for or who will use it. A builder cannot 'tailor' the building by determining who the clientele may be. For instance, a ballet studio must be 100% ADA compliant. A dance teacher could not decide that someone in a wheelchair would not want to access the studio's dance floor & tell the builder not to put in a ramp or lift (this is just a hypothetical). So, if I read your question correctly; the answer is a builder MUST build to code and the authority of the building code ends there. How the Owner of the building handles access issues is based on the ADA law itself. An example, the builder built a hallway to code width (he's done his job) but the owner allows that hallway to be partially blocked with heavy boxes so it's too narrow for a wheelchair. The owner is in violation of the ADA law, not the building code.

                  So, no, Calif building code would not have any authority over what a CM asks. That's actually covered under the HIPPAA law, which covers privacy of medical records/info. Basically, HIPPAA states (I'm simplifying here & not talking about questions asked for medical treatment, guys) that medical privacy is PARAMOUNT and you CANNOT ask anybody anything about their medical info. I ran into HIPPAA frequently before I retired. It really tied our hands a lot as far as providing services to our clients, because we couldn't insist they tell us what was wrong to help us assist them in getting services. They could volunteer info, we couldn't demand it. Or if a client said "I want such-and-such", we were not allowed to ask "Why? You don't look like you need that service". Same w/the CMs. They pretty much have to assume that the person is entitled to the ADA reasonable accommodation they are asking for. They (CMs) just have to assume it is needed. Yes, you can gently 'hint' or 'probe' using very general statements, but if someone really insists, there really isn't much you can do. Add to that the fact that Disney CMs are supposed to 'never' rile up a guest and the fact that ADA/HIIPPA lawsuits are VERY expensive and super bad publicity for Disney and you have a situation that unscrupulous people can and will take advantage. Unfortunate but true.
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                  • #49
                    Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                    I went to Disneyland with someone in a wheelchair because of a foot injury. It actually does take some pushing and some work to get him/her on a ride. Plus, I also went with someone who has chronic abdominal pain. That mean his stomach hurts 24/7 and doctors can't figure out why. He doesn't have the endurance to stand in a line for one hour and be in constant pain. People in wheelchairs face difficulties too and they should be able to ride on the same amount of rides as healthy people, if they can't wait in the regular line before their health gives out then they shouldn't, they should have a shorter waiting time.
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                    • #50
                      Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                      Originally posted by Sheriff Lightyear View Post
                      Has anyone here agreeing with the OP ever experienced their own handicap, even if it were only for a limited time, or actually know a close family member/friend who is handicapped?
                      My father has had three knee replacements (an attempt to fix injuries from 1967 and 1968).

                      He is not able to bend either knee to 90 degrees. This means that the majority of rides in Disneyland are unaccessible to him.

                      It's funny to read both sides of the arguments about this topic, when I simply wish I could experience an attraction with my father, like I did when I was a child.

                      Handicapped people have enough issues. If they happen to get on a ride 15 minutes faster than I do... oh well. I have bigger things to worry about than 15 minutes.

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                      • #51
                        Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                        Originally posted by yeahitsfine View Post
                        EXACTLY. invisible illnesses suck.
                        My Diabetes is severe so I get frequent, dangerous low blood sugars which if low enough, can send me into comas, and I look perfectly healthy. I almost asked to have a wheelchair because walking hours and hours does drain my sugar. I am not handicapped, and Disney would have allowed me a wheelchair after I explained the reason, but I decided not to as people may get the wrong idea and think I am faking. However, my best friend's cousin has cancer and her leg was amputated. And being 10 at the parks probably in a wheelchair or on a prosthetic I can see her getting the ADA entrances as it is very draining and such.
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                        • #52
                          Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                          I'm mostly fine with disabled people getting on rides quicker than regular guests. I have my health, and more importantly, I go to Disneyland to experience the park and the attractions- NOT to gripe about the occasional disabled person who receive privileges due to their condition.

                          That being said, I don't appreciate it when these people act entitled and abuse this system. Regardless of your situation, behavior like that shouldn't be tolerated.

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                          • #53
                            Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                            There is only one group of people who deserve front of the line access. People who are terminally ill. As I understand Disney offers this or at least used to. I think they get like a Fast Pass card. My neighbors went with their daughter to Disney World and had this privilege. I believe they had to provide proof. They used it occasionally but felt guilty and waited in regular lines too. But I would have no problem letting someone with 2 months predicted left to live go ahead of me in line, however if this privilege was given out like GAC are, based on the honor system I would be a little concerned. I think that is what the OP is getting at.
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                            • #54
                              Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                              I've seen a lot of "fake" disabled people and I have been told SO MANY complaints from other guests that they are obviously healthy....
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                              • #55
                                Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                                Thx stormy...
                                I am a medical assnt by trade, and HIPPA was shoved down our throats (for good reason). I wanted to know if California was even more strict than the federal laws that are in place.

                                As an example, the state of CA has a higher minimum wage law (as does NV where I am at now) compared to the federal standard.

                                I guess I didn't make myself clear when I asked the question, but I think it was a case of insomniac posting! LOL. I should know better than to try and make sense in a state like that and go back to just reading others posts... and post when I am more awake later in the day.

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                                • #56
                                  Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                                  J- Not sure if we're 'stricter', but probably more litigious!! LOL.
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                                  • #57
                                    Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                                    It sure makes me nervous to read threads like this. My wife has to be in a wheelchair for the first time at Disneyland for our trip this fall. She looks perfectly healthy but just cannot walk for more than a few minutes at a time. It's going to be really hard to hear judgmental people around us complaining that she looks healthy and shouldn't be in a chair. Believe me, we wish she was healthy too. We don't like the wheelchair, but are grateful for it. I'm not looking forward to having healthy people try to dampen our spirits at Disneyland--our spirits are already having a hard time with the illness as it is. Disneyland is supposed to help us forget all that for awhile and enjoy time with our children. We'll still have a good time. It's actually probably better that threads like this have forewarned us to the potential insensitivity of others. Better to be prepared...

                                    All I can say is this: Life has a way of helping you understand things you don't understand. If you think being handicapped is a piece of cake and that handicapped people can and should do everything just like everyone else. Well, hopefully you won't have to find out first-hand some day that you are wrong. Our personal experience is that we wish my wife could be healthy. Judge not... Karma's coming

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                                    • #58
                                      Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                                      I'm sure if a poll was added to this thread, you would find out that most people are quite compassionate. There are many who try and break the rules, and or bend them to their own liking. I have toured the parks with friends who have used the system correctly, and we have never encountered rude people, or gotten any funny looks or snide remarks.

                                      ---------- Post added 07-16-2012 at 11:14 AM ----------

                                      Actually the wait time is just a guess most times. I really don't think that Disney is going to institute a system whereby a clock is put on people with disabilities. There are too many different scenarios that have a bearing on when a person boards a ride. This is true for the standard line, a fastpass line, and the method for the disabled.

                                      I am usually enjoying myself too much at Disneyland, to worry about rulebreakers. Let Disney deal with them. As for the system as it is now, my experience has been that it works pretty fairly.
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                                      • #59
                                        Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                                        Originally posted by Barbaraann View Post
                                        I am usually enjoying myself too much at Disneyland, to worry about rulebreakers. Let Disney deal with them. As for the system as it is now, my experience has been that it works pretty fairly.
                                        I think people are upset with the fact Disney doesn't deal with them. They just let people go on breaking the rules.
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                                        • #60
                                          Re: People with disabilities should be treated like others... including having to WAI

                                          If the handicapped person is traveling with a large group of people, they are all allowed the special boarding priveleges. Disney keeps the party together, rather than splitting it up. I believe the maximum is 6. I can see how this might set off some people's radar. Since a lot of boarding is done at the exit, many people getting on the ride see a large group getting on the ride before them, and they wonder why. Now if they have waited a very long time, they might feel cheated in some way.
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