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  • [Idea] Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ DL

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    Like many of you, I'm hoping that the Submarines will stay put in their lagoon, where they belong. If Disney suits determine that they have to depart in order to make room for new attractions, I have an idea on how to make keep these beloved ride vessels and put them to good use elsewhere....why not the coming Marvel themed third park?!

    I figure the subs (perhaps along with traditional river boats) could both be used as transportation to different areas of the Marvel Superhero park, in much the same way that the Disneyland Railroad trains do at Walts original park. Along the way, the subs and river boats would interact with Marvel creatures (mammals, reptiles, etc.) of myth and concocted imagination. Plus, they would travel thru attractions (much like the DLRR), providing guests with a sneak peak).

    But of course, the main role of the submarines would be to serve as awesome transportation at the new Marvel park. Afterall, they have long remained our sub-superheroes since the mid-20th Century.

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    Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

    Maybe they can make it so you see Namor along the way.
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      Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

      Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
      Maybe they can make it so you see Namor along the way.
      Nemo would be super lost there.
      Last edited by Ride Warrior; 07-17-2012, 09:17 AM.
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      • #4
        Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

        Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
        Nemo would be super lost there.
        For someone with Iron Man for an avatar, you're super lost
        Namor, not Nemo

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        • #5
          Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

          Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
          Maybe they can make it so you see Namor along the way.
          Absolutely. The Marvel river encircling the park would be the perfect place for guests travelin inside the submarines to encounter Prince Namor: the Sub-Marner engaged in an adventure.





          Originally posted by mrwagnal9 View Post
          For someone with Iron Man for an avatar, you're super lost
          Namor, not Nemo
          I read the name wrong. The Finding "Namor" Submarine Voyage just woildn't sound right.

          I find Namor (the Sub-Mariner) a much more complex and exciting Marvel hero than DC's Aquaman.


          Last edited by Ride Warrior; 07-17-2012, 09:38 AM.
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          • #6
            Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

            Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
            ...I have an idea on how to make keep these beloved ride vessels and put them to good use elsewhere....why not the coming Marvel themed third park?!

            I was not aware that a Marvel themed third park had been confirmed.
            In my understanding it's just a rumor amongst many other rumors.
            Last edited by DLcub; 07-17-2012, 09:50 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

              while it all sounds like a great idea to save them.. i think it's just time to retire them for good..



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              • #8
                Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                Load time.....

                It takes forever to load/unload the subs. Then... what if the person in the middle of the sub wants to get off at one stop and nobody else wants to get off there? Climbing over everybody to get to the door.

                I understand wanting to save the sub. Moving them to a 3rd park wouldn't be bad. I just don't see them being used as the trains. Trains are easy on and off. Subs aren't.
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                • #9
                  Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                  Originally posted by DLcub View Post
                  I was not aware that a Marvel themed third park had been confirmed.
                  In my understanding it's just a rumor amongst many other rumors.
                  Anything's a rumor until it is built. That said, the Marvel 3rd park is a serious rumor.

                  Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post
                  while it all sounds like a great idea to save them.. i think it's just time to retire them for good..
                  Many of us hope not

                  Originally posted by Garrett240 View Post
                  Load time.....

                  It takes forever to load/unload the subs. Then... what if the person in the middle of the sub wants to get off at one stop and nobody else wants to get off there? Climbing over everybody to get to the door.

                  I understand wanting to save the sub. Moving them to a 3rd park wouldn't be bad. I just don't see them being used as the trains. Trains are easy on and off. Subs aren't.
                  Load time is why I have suggested that river boats be used in conjunction with the subs. Perhaps modifications would need to be made in order for guests to more easily get off at a stop.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                    I thought the whole point of them taking out the subs was due to operating costs.... I don't see how utilizing them in a different manner will change the fact that they are expensive to run in the first place. Nevermind the sloooooow loading times for the subs. I think this would create a logistical nightmare.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                      Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
                      Anything's a rumor until it is built. That said, the Marvel 3rd park is a serious rumor.
                      I disagree. In between rumor -> built you have official confirmation.

                      I seriously hope it's not happening though.
                      Why build a third Disney park based on a theme that doesn't seem very Disney-like when you can put all that money into the already existing parks that are in desperate need of attention.
                      I know Disney owns Marvel, but honestly, I'm like put that Marvel mess in Universal where it belongs.
                      Last edited by DLcub; 07-17-2012, 11:22 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                        Originally posted by 4th Gen Disney Fan View Post
                        I thought the whole point of them taking out the subs was due to operating costs.... I don't see how utilizing them in a different manner will change the fact that they are expensive to run in the first place. Nevermind the sloooooow loading times for the subs. I think this would create a logistical nightmare.
                        The rumor is about the entire lagoon area being plowed over - not just the subs. Operation costs have nothing to do with it Plus, the ride is more popular than ever. The rationale behind the rumor is that the lagoon area engulfsaroud a third of Tomorrowland, and Disney is chompin' at the bit to place more crowd eating E-Tickets in the land. Also rumored for the chopping block are Autopia and Innoventions.

                        Originally posted by DLcub View Post
                        I disagree. In between rumor -> built you have official confirmation.

                        I seriously hope it's not happening though.
                        Why build a third Disney park based on a theme that doesn't seem very Disney-like when you can put all that money into the already existing parks that are in desperate need of attention.
                        I know Disney owns Marvel, but honestly, I'm like put that Marvel mess in Universal where it belongs.
                        I understand your logic, DLcub, and would rather see a third park themed to something simiar to Disney Sea, EPCCOT, or perhaps even a compact version of Anial Kingdom. I feel a Marvel Superhero theme would be perfect for a land. However, the rumor relates to an entire themepark, so I'm attempting to make the best of that in my past couple Marvel Park threads.
                        Last edited by Ride Warrior; 07-17-2012, 12:37 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                          I seriously doubt that the subs are getting the axe. Mostly because there's no one in Disney who is talking about it. It's just a rumor until Disney offically announces it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                            I'm still doubting they'll actually do it. Not when they're making Finding Nemo 2.

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                              Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                              Originally posted by film975 View Post
                              I seriously doubt that the subs are getting the axe. Mostly because there's no one in Disney who is talking about it. It's just a rumor until Disney offically announces it.
                              Hope your doubts prove to be right, film. Aesthetically speaking, I think that the sub lagoon is the most esquisitely beautiful formation in the park. Disney can pragmaticly expand around it, an outside the berm.

                              Originally posted by FigmentJedi View Post
                              I'm still doubting they'll actually do it. Not when they're making Finding Nemo 2.

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                              If anything, perhaps Finding Nemo 2 will be so such a success story that Disney will upgrade the Finding Nemo ride and the lagoon. One just never knows....
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                                Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                                Originally posted by Ride Warrior View Post
                                The rumor is about the entire lagoon area being plowed over - not just the subs. Operation costs have nothing to do with it Plus, the ride is more popular than ever. **snip**
                                Actually, according to Al Lutz, which is where the rumor started, operation costs are EXACTLY why they want to do away with the subs:

                                "It's no secret that the Submarines have no friends in Anaheim’s operations departments, where they are disliked for their inefficiency, very low ride capacity (800 riders an hour at full speed), and very high cost of maintenance. The Submarines have the dubious distinction now of being the costliest attraction to operate and maintain at Disneyland, and just the cost of replacement bulbs alone for the underwater projection screens can tally tens of thousands of dollars per month."

                                Sounds pretty cut and dried to me.
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                                • #17
                                  Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                                  Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post
                                  while it all sounds like a great idea to save them.. i think it's just time to retire them for good..
                                  Maybe in this bastardized form they are better to retire, however in its classic form, the ride was amazing and a perfect fit for Tomorrowland.

                                  Originally posted by DLcub View Post
                                  I know Disney owns Marvel, but honestly, I'm like put that Marvel mess in Universal where it belongs.
                                  Why would you put something that is Disney in someone else's park? That is like saying you don't like Donald Duck so put him at Six Flags.

                                  Originally posted by film975 View Post
                                  I seriously doubt that the subs are getting the axe. Mostly because there's no one in Disney who is talking about it. It's just a rumor until Disney offically announces it.
                                  The subs got the axe a long time ago. What is there now is just a dumbed down kiddie version of what was once a great attraction.
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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                                    Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
                                    Why would you put something that is Disney in someone else's park? That is like saying you don't like Donald Duck so put him at Six Flags.
                                    I didn't mean literally, I just meant that the theme fits better there than in a Disney context.
                                    And I don't consider Marvel to be Disney, they just bought them in 2009. Before then they had nothing to do with each other, thematically or otherwise.

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                                      could they be used as transportation from where they are in Tomorrowland to the new park? connecting the two like the monorail does downtown disney to disneyland?

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Save Submarines: Use Them As River Transports Around Marvel Park, Like Trains @ D

                                        I stand cooected. The factors that Al had brought up in his most recent column are part of what I have based this thread on. But, i had fogotten about the financial cost as one of those factors.

                                        Nevertheless the subs are a long-time historic popular mainstay of the park, and a mega good-will ambassador - which translates into priceless intrinsic value. Plus, it is a ride that the entire family can enjoy riding together - that exists minus intimidating thrill elements. In addition and as aforementioned, the lagoon is one of the most exquisite, picturesque places in the park - and elps to add ceedence to and define the term "magic kingdom.
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