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  • [Other] Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the park.

    This is coming from a teen.

    When I recently was on a trip to Disneyland with my school, I was embarrassed to be part of my group, at times. They were singing at the top of their lungs, shouting profanities, and just being super disruptive to the other guests. This could be fine at school, but not in Disneyland. Parents shouldn't be worried about 7th graders shouting inappropriate things in front of their small children on theDisneyland Railroad (which my group did.) Sure, maybe it'd be a tad bit more acceptable in line at California Screaming, or Tower of Terror, but Disney shouldn't be letting kids say those things with small children around them.

    I'm not sure if they've ever had to threaten a group with expulsion from the park, but that should be the case. Whether it be with security cameras placed in rides, or cast members disguised as normal guests, these kids need to be kept under control, and have to face serious consequences if they go too far. It's a disgrace, seeing people behave this way with shirts that read my school's name.

    Does anyone know if Disney has set up any sort of thing to keep school groups behaved during their visit? If they haven't, I real think the time is now.
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    This is exactly why I'm glad I didn't have grad night. It's heartbreaking to see people my age so darn immature. I'm in grad school now, but lets just say I was much more mature than most people my age. It's embarrassing. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there's much they can do about it since it's so widespread.
    DisneyTwins
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    • #3
      Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

      I've been in a similar situation where i've been embarrassed by my group but Disney has a lot more importation operational details to work out than baby-sitting 7th graders. If your group was bad enough then security usually would be involved pretty quickly.

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      • #4
        Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

        I know that high schools have been banned permanently from Grad Night. I don't know if any school groups have been banned or thrown out during day visits. I don't really think it's Disney's job to police the behavior of school groups, however. I wouldn't mind requiring more chaperones, but they generally don't follow their groups around the park. Ultimately it's up to the school, so I think the people who need to take responsibility are the school leaders.

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        • #5
          Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

          I'm not into the big manners thing, but a big problem with society today is the fact that people don't know how to properly "carry themselves" in a decent, professional manner. Unfortunately most of the younger bunch (oh lets say 25 and under) have trouble acting decently and they themselves make not only make themselves but everyone else in their generation look like morons who can't act properly in public.

          I'm 23 and having idiotic people in my age range act like 4 year olds is really upsetting.

          I know that when it comes to grad nights, there is a zero tolerance policy. You act up in any way and you're sent packing.
          DisneyTwins
          Since May 2003

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          • #6
            Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

            Originally posted by Disneytwins View Post
            You act up in any way and you're sent packing.
            And this is how I truly think Disneyland should be every day.
            Fear of the unknown.

            They are afraid of new ideas.


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            • #7
              Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

              This is awful. I haven't seen on my last DLR trip, but over the past ten yrs or so, I have seen it all SoCal parks. Luckily, DL/DCA least of all.

              My first reaction, start recording. Then off to City Hall, and maybe youtube for a quick upload plus an email to the school w/ the link. I wish more ppl would ''out'' these punks to get something done about it (using their phones/vids).

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              • #8
                Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                Originally posted by JMazz View Post
                This is awful. I haven't seen on my last DLR trip, but over the past ten yrs or so, I have seen it all SoCal parks. Luckily, DL/DCA least of all.

                My first reaction, start recording. Then off to City Hall, and maybe youtube for a quick upload plus an email to the school w/ the link. I wish more ppl would ''out'' these punks to get something done about it (using their phones/vids).
                Unfortunately, in the times of reality television and young people seeking their 15 minutes of pseudo-fame, this might be more of an encouragement to act out than a deterant. People who act out like that are seeking attention and don't seem to be bothered by the opinions of others. This generation (some, not all) don't seem to be embarassed by being shamed like we did when we were that age. (sheesh, I sound OLD!)

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                • #9
                  Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                  Originally posted by Escape2Disney View Post
                  Unfortunately, in the times of reality television and young people seeking their 15 minutes of pseudo-fame, this might be more of an encouragement to act out than a deterant. People who act out like that are seeking attention and don't seem to be bothered by the opinions of others. This generation (some, not all) don't seem to be embarassed by being shamed like we did when we were that age. (sheesh, I sound OLD!)

                  I respectfully disagree. See here (Language Warning):
                  Bus Monitor Karen Klein bullied by vile school children - YouTube

                  You may have seen this already.
                  Even tho this is a more extreme case, if this happens enough (recordings & the public reactions), it will reverse the trend. If it doesn't go viral, notifying the school and "shaming" them will help on a smaller scale. I know for a fact the kids in the video above were all sorry after-the-fact (even if some were only sorry they got caught).

                  I teach all ages (from age 12-99), we often use videos during class to help show ppl how "wrong" they are (wrong with a simple task they are learning or wrong regarding their demeanor in class). I really feel it works.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                    To help strengthen your argument further about kids and teens in the park acting live crazed animals, let me direct you to a post I did quite some time ago.

                    http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort/168140-grad-night-kids-how-do-they-affect-your-visit-2.html#post1056790599


                    EDIT: But as I've said in my post above, not all of them are bad, just the loud ones that stand out.

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                    Total Lilly Belle Rides: 9
                    Total Dapper Days Attended: 2
                    Total Mark Twain Wheelhouse Rides: 5

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                    • #11
                      Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                      I'm sorry Chesire, and I have too had to deal with this problem.
                      The whole thing is, is we deal with Disneyland like a 'place' or a part of our own, where we grew to respect it, and we cherish (lol, not pun intended to your screen name) it.
                      Maybe in a few years they will take their children to Disneyland, and if the kids get out of line, they will be mature enough to handle that.
                      But until then, teens will be teens, and boys will be boys and the only thing to do is to act like an adult and deal with it. It's a shame, but it is a public park, and their ticket is not worth any more less or more than yours.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                        These are the kind of people that make the stereotype of students and kids being "Rude,Disruptive,Annoying...etc" believable. Yes some of us(since I am a student myself) can be obnoxious in your standards but come on tell me when you ever see a Boring & Dull Child at Disneyland. No one follows rules whether you believe it or not and their was a time when we all were obnoxious at one time or another. Also yes a School has been expelled from a Disney Grad Nite at WDW for pushing a character into the RoA according to a source from the school so now they attend Grad Bash at USO.
                        Always read the fine print.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                          Just read the whole thread. Wow.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                            I usually hate being associated with my school group if I do go somewhere with my school, because I always know there's going to be some kids that are just plain rude and obnoxious, so it really does send a bad message to everyone if they see people wearing those shirts. I haven't seen obnoxious teenagers in action in Disneyland, but I could totally imagine them being there, unfortunately. As far as Disneyland goes, I rarely see annoying teenagers.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                              Originally posted by TL59 View Post
                              I usually hate being associated with my school group if I do go somewhere with my school, because I always know there's going to be some kids that are just plain rude and obnoxious, so it really does send a bad message to everyone if they see people wearing those shirts. I haven't seen obnoxious teenagers in action in Disneyland, but I could totally imagine them being there, unfortunately. As far as Disneyland goes, I rarely see annoying teenagers.
                              I rarely see them either only during Grad Nite and in my mind I'm thinking "Meh......They should enjoy themselves in a happy place before a reality check happens and they end up in a sad place called Adulthood!haha" I sometimes am obnoxious to people who have staring problems,talk $#!+(Happened at WoC Long Story), and those people that I just don't like just cause I can. ;p
                              Always read the fine print.

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                                Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                                Originally posted by BugSam101 View Post
                                those people that I just don't like just cause I can. ;p
                                LMBO. So is that why you go to the Happiest Place On Earth?

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                                  Originally posted by JMazz View Post
                                  LMBO. So is that why you go to the Happiest Place On Earth?
                                  Haha No not anymore Memories of the good times.....I can't go to he "Happiest Place On Earth" because of financial problems currently so I can't troll....*kidding* On a different not I like what you put in for your location I find it amusing oddly.
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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                                    It's not just todays kids that are jerks. Grad night 1979 (ancient history to some people here). Four of us entered the peoplemover. Somewhere near the starcade, two of my friends baled out and went back towards the store. I think they saw some friends. Anyway, they got back in several cars behind and then were yelling at us the remainder of the ride because we didn't jump out and join them. It was annoying. When the PM got back to the station they were met by security and were escorted from the park.
                                    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                                      Once again Disney has to walk such a fine line between being the Happiest Place on Earth and being Big Brother. Confrontation by CMs with guests who are being obnoxious but not causing a danger can quickly degenerate into something 'ugly', so I think they tend to look the other way & trust us (guests) to behave. I think it works most of the time. Trouble is, you notice one loud idiot a lot more than the 10 other people who are just minding their own business & having fun. Maybe a larger 'presence' of uniformed security might tone down the idiots (kids or adults) but then you run the risk of 'ruining the magic' for some guests who don't want to see DL look like some of the 'other' parks (who shall remain nameless) who have had larger scale problems with violence, etc so that uniformed security is now a necessity.


                                      Chesire, I'm glad you recognize that there's a time & place for everything. Remember that you had a school shirt on too and that people also saw you & knew that there were kids from your school who knew how to behave.

                                      BugSam; Yep, we 'old folks' were young once, too, hard as that is to believe LOL. And yes, we had our 'good times'. But I think that one of the main differences between our generations (my 'Grad Night' was '73, you can do the math haha) was that we had a healthy fear of 'grownups' that seems to have vanished these days. Yes, we used bad language among ourselves, but would never have shouted filthy words in a crowd. We were too afraid that some grownup who knew us would 'nark' us off to our parents and/or chaperones. And then, trust me, there would be hell to pay! Or it wouldn't have been unusual for some random adult in that crowd to tell us off & to watch our language. And, oddly enough, we would have shut up. Would you?

                                      And, as far as 'no one follows the rules' that's a pretty big generalization. Yes, there were always some that cut lines, got off on rides, etc but they were pretty few and far between and the ones who did KNEW that what they were doing was wrong & were willing to take the chance knowing they might be kicked out of the park. Still stupid, but at least they realized that the rules were supposed to be obeyed. Nowadays, it seems like a kid whose behavior caused them to be removed from the park would feel that they were being hard done by & treated unfairly. Seems to me you are saying the behavior is 'ok' because 'no one follows the rules'. Obviously, that isn't true, or DL would be a line cutting, ride jumping free for all. Even kids need to follow rules, even if 'you're only young once' and you 'may have to be an adult someday'.

                                      I do want to say that I really believe that most kids these days are good kids with just a tiny bit of devilment in them, but generally behave in a way that makes me just smile at their little antics & remember when I was the same. Only a few are really (insert expletive here) whose behavior spoils things for those around them. BugSam, I'm sure you are one of those who make me smile & wish I could just join you in 'acting your age'. Yes, you'll have to act like an adult someday, so go ahead act like a kid now, just remember that acting like a kid doesn't have to mean acting like a jerk.


                                      edit; OMG do I sound like my mother, or what? Sigh, I guess I now have to admit that I AM a grown up! Well, at least until I walk under the (left) arch into Main St. in 2 weeks. Then all bets are off!
                                      Last edited by Stormy; 09-03-2012, 07:00 AM.
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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Disney needs to re-enforce how they deal with unsupervised school groups in the p

                                        Originally posted by Big Drunk Dave @ DL View Post
                                        Maybe in a few years they will take their children to Disneyland, and if the kids get out of line, they will be mature enough to handle that.
                                        .
                                        Unfortunately, I don't think so. I'm seeing that next generation with their own children. The adults aren't often behaving any better, or even correcting their children. No offense, but in my opinion, most of the human race is pure excriment. They aren't interested or concerned with how their actions affect others. Or it's some kind of "victory" to bring pain to others.
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