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    I have read recently about a lot of idiot proofing going on at the Disneyland Resort. The "safety nets" on the jungle cruise boats, the supposed rails going on the bridge in Indiana Jones Adventure to protect guests, etc. Now its happening to the Disneyland Railroad of all things! The Safety Department feels that the conductors should be inside the train cars, in specially designed booths instead of standing on the little platform on the side of the car. Why? Why must they do this? The main reason for conductors to stand on the platform IS FOR SAFETY!!! Ugghh we live in such a litigative society nowadays. It sucks.

    Also another issue is the parking for cast members. The executives keep predicting these extremely crowded days and send the cast members father and farther away for parking (even to the Honda Center!) only to find out that there is still plenty of room for CM's to park in their normal parking lot.

    Anyone else feel it's getting out of hand?


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    Re: Disneyland "Safety" & other debaucheries

    Originally posted by D3COY View Post
    The "safety nets" on the jungle cruise boats, the supposed rails going on the bridge in Indiana Jones Adventure to protect guests, etc.
    When it comes to safety over theme, I always err on the side of safety. There is less of a gap between the Jungle Cruise dock and the boats now. It is much easier to get a crushing injury than ever before. The nets are a necessary evil and don’t really detract from theme or view.

    Originally posted by D3COY View Post
    Now its happening to the Disneyland Railroad of all things! The Safety Department feels that the conductors should be inside the train cars, in specially designed booths instead of standing on the little platform on the side of the car. Why? Why must they do this? The main reason for conductors to stand on the platform IS FOR SAFETY!!!
    I haven’t heard anything about this yet. I will reserve judgment until I hear more facts.

    Originally posted by D3COY View Post
    Also another issue is the parking for cast members. The executives keep predicting these extremely crowded days and send the cast members father and farther away for parking (even to the Honda Center!) only to find out that there is still plenty of room for CM's to park in their normal parking lot.
    Wouldn’t it be better to make a few employees park a little further away than to force paying customers to do so?
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      Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
      I haven’t heard anything about this yet. I will reserve judgment until I hear more facts.
      Did you click on the first link? It talks about it right there.

      ---------- Post added 09-12-2012 at 01:04 PM ----------

      Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
      Wouldn’t it be better to make a few employees park a little further away than to force paying customers to do so?
      Well yes, but the matter is that there is plenty of available parking for CM's and its not being utilized because of overzealous predictions about crowds.
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        Originally posted by D3COY View Post
        Did you click on the first link? It talks about it right there.
        Not really. It doesn't say anything about what type of injury they are trying to avoid. Without that, there is no way to weigh the prevented harm against the loss of theme.

        Originally posted by D3COY View Post
        Well yes, but the matter is that there is plenty of available parking for CM's and its not being utilized because of overzealous predictions about crowds.
        Yes, they overestimated the parking situation, but it is better to overestimate than underestimate it. If they underestimated parking and had to turn away customers, it would be far worse than the minor inconvenience to a few employees having to park a little further away.
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          Re: Disneyland "Safety" & other debaucheries

          Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
          Yes, they overestimated the parking situation, but it is better to overestimate than underestimate it. If they underestimated parking and had to turn away customers, it would be far worse than the minor inconvenience to a few employees having to park a little further away.
          Agreed. So Disney is not psychic. They WAY underestimated for One More Disney Day and that was a fiasco. They overestimated for a few days this summer and some CMs were forced to leave a little earlier than normal for their work shift. It's not like they had to walk from the Honda Center.

          I empathize. I was a DTD CM and my parking was the brown lot on Ball. That required us to park in the lot, climb the back stairs of M&F to the second floor, cross all the way through M&F, come back down the escalator (or stairs), and then board the parking lot tram or walk into DTD. On crowded days, we would have to either arrive way early to allow time for a few tram loads to go before we got a seat (always a risk), or we could walk it in, which is a half mile. Depending on where I parked in the Ball lot, I would walk 3/4 of a mile to get to my work station if I chose not to come extra-early to allow for tram traffic. It wasn't a big deal. Not all CMs get to park in the lot and hop on the first bus that comes along. Crowded days always take extra time for CM parking. Temporarily relocating parking to further offsite is inconvenient, but it's hardly a federal crime.

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            Re: Disneyland "Safety" & other debaucheries

            Depends on how much effort and how much danger. I get cranky when they go (or make someone else go) to a lot of effort for a miniscule danger.

            Unfortunately, it seems there's a lot of that going on lately. And not just at Disney.
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              All these changes are most likely preventative measures so CAL OSHA doesn't come down and cite the beejeziz out of them. Check this article out, I had no idea the reason for the changes at the loading dock for the Jungle Cruise was a result of a 5 year old kid falling in the water went attempting to enter the boat. Disney made the changes before CAL OSHA could finish their investigation. Fall into Disney river prompts ride changes | cruise, jungle, state - News - The Orange County Register ... if you check out osha.gov you can check out a list of all reported accidents at Disneyland and there is quite a few.
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                I think Disney has relatively good safety records- and it's because they react appropriately to incidents. I feel comfort knowing that Disney cares quite a bit about my safety inside the park.

                I've read a lot of the OSHA Reports coming out of Disney; it is pretty interesting some of the items they need to report.

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                  I'm sorry, but this reeks of what I call the "lowest common denominator" culture.

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                  • #10
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                    Safety takes all the wonder and imagination out, just to be on the safe side. Bubble wrap people as they walk in the gates! it safe. =+P
                    I dont mind some changes....but some of it is abit to much.
                    Little and broken, but still good.

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                      Originally posted by Garthilk View Post
                      I'm sorry, but this reeks of what I call the "lowest common denominator" culture.
                      Originally posted by PetiteMortKvsh View Post
                      Safety takes all the wonder and imagination out, just to be on the safe side. Bubble wrap people as they walk in the gates! it safe. =+P
                      I dont mind some changes....but some of it is abit to much.
                      Do you feel the same about the break-away walls on the Carousel Theater?
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                        Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
                        Do you feel the same about the break-away walls on the Carousel Theater?
                        No. I like to see railings that are hidden until needed....safety is a good thing, but the way they are over protecting and taking away from theme and beauty of some rides by over doing it.
                        Little and broken, but still good.

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                          Safety is always required. I don't feel like safety is getting out of hand at all. They're making sure that everyone who is on property is as safe as they can be on property. Unlike most things, they can't wait for things to happen to fix an issue. They aren't only looking after their own butts, they're looking after yours too.

                          As for the transportation thing, a company has to do what they have to do. I'm sure they don't like it, but given how much limited room there is at Disneyland, there's not much they can do to avoid it. As long as they aren't making you walk from the Honda Center to Disneyland, I don't see what the big deal is.
                          Last edited by Disneytwins; 09-12-2012, 05:36 PM.
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                            Re: Disneyland "Safety" & other debaucheries

                            Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
                            Do you feel the same about the break-away walls on the Carousel Theater?
                            Exactly. How about inspection regulations for theme park rides? Collapsible steering columns on vehicles? Mandatory lap-and-shoulder belts? Regulations prohibiting lead-based paints on toys? Food inspection regulations? Pharmaceutical safety regulations? Railroad safety regulations? They all come from the same process of identifying repeated hazards and taking action to mitigate them.

                            And all of them were scorned as ridiculous over-zealousness when they were first introduced.


                            Originally posted by PetiteMortKvsh View Post
                            ....safety is a good thing, but the way they are over protecting and taking away from theme and beauty of some rides by over doing it.
                            Safety doesn't take away from the theme and beauty. Poor design, poor imagination and poor funding do.
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                              Re: Disneyland "Safety" & other debaucheries

                              Originally posted by PetiteMortKvsh View Post
                              No. I like to see railings that are hidden until needed....safety is a good thing, but the way they are over protecting and taking away from theme and beauty of some rides by over doing it.
                              Maybe there is no creativity left at Disney any more. They should be able to make things safer and preserve aesthetics. However if it was a choice between someone getting injured or making something look a little "less nice" I would choose safety every time.
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                                I agree with the two statements above. Disney could do a better job at theming. I don't think the changes that they've done with JC is out of theme though. Alice is pretty much out of theme, but I think there is a possibility that they will fix it in the future.
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                                • #17
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                                  What I wrote on another forum, in response to someone who said there is NO NEED for a conductor to step off a moving train:

                                  As I mentioned, I have experience in a real railroad setting, running steam with four passenger coaches and a caboose. I assure you, I know precisely what I'm talking about when it comes to railroad safety. I also know the Disneyland Railroad pretty well, having written two books on the subject. The Conductor is IN CHARGE of the train, and needs to be able to assert that control. There are only two Conductors on a Disneyland train, with up to eight cars and nearly 300 passengers. They need to be able to step off a train car and step back on a different one any time they see a guest doing something stupid--which happens maybe more than you care to admit. This is not a dangerous thing to do when done correctly. They need the freedom to do their job--not be sequestered in some "booth" or chained to their safety positions as you suggest. The current safety positions are plenty safe--wide areas to stand on and ample hand rails. There hasn't been a single instance of injury in nearly 60 years with this system.

                                  Simply put: If you want the Conductors to be 100% safe, just keep them off the trains. If a Conductor isn't riding a train, he can't get hurt by that train. What it sounds like Disney is doing is tying the Conductors' hands. Of course, with no on-board Conductors, that won't do much to protect the passengers...

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                                  • #18
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                                    Why would a conductor need to step off a train? Give me an example.
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                                    • #19
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                                      Originally posted by Disneytwins View Post
                                      Why would a conductor need to step off a train? Give me an example.
                                      To assess an unsafe situation or to render assistance.

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                                      • #20
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                                        someone needs to photoshop all of disneyland covered in mattresses so when kids fall, they are safe.

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