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  • #61
    Re: Dole Whip leaving

    Originally posted by Disneytwins View Post
    I wish I knew what the whole deal between the two companies are regarding this mix. I'm pretty sure the mix is not exclusive to Disney. The thing about the Dole Whips is the fact that they sell. If Disney is releasing T-shirts with the Dole whip on it, they obviously know that it's a classic and people love them. I'm pretty confident that Disney will either continue to buy it (if they currently buy it) or start buying it and probably raise the price a little. I'm pretty sure if Disney wants to pay, Dole will be there to provide.
    Yeah, that's the sticking point, that Disney knows that the Dole Whips have a following.

    However, somebody saw the Bengal Barbecue serving a "fruit whip", similar in consistency, but different flavor, from the Dole Whip. Since the Dole Whip is just a mix that they add water to and freeze, they *could* serve Dole Whip everywhere, or at least a lot more places, inside of the park, but they don't.

    I think the most probably reason is that Dole gives the Dole whip mix for free to Disney as basically their "sponsorship".

    If Dole Whip ends this, then Disney has to start paying, and we all know that branded products, i.e. Dole Whip soft serve, cost a lot more than generic. If Dole Whip ends their partnership, and even if Disney decides to buy Dole's Soft Serve, they might not end call it the Dole Whip anymore.

    But what if an accountant (post sponsorship ending), figures out that they can serve the Bengal Barbecue's "fruit whip" at the Tiki Room for half of what it costs to buy Dole Whip, maybe saying hundreds of dollars a day.

    For all we know, the "fruit whip" served at Bengal was a "test run" to see how another type of fruit whip would do with guests.

    We all know the Dole Whip line is crazy long, I think it is most likely because Dole limits where Dole Whip can be served down to a single location in Disneyland, mostly likely b/c they are giving it away, in essence, for free. I.e. they sponsor/subsidize Dole Whips at the Tiki Room location only.

    ---------- Post added 09-23-2012 at 08:30 PM ----------

    Originally posted by MANEATINGWREATH View Post

    Best part of the real-life Hawaii. And it only cost about $3.50 for an extremely large size.
    Wonder how much money Disney makes off of the Dole Whips if they are provided gratis by Dole.

    Let's see, since a Dole Whip Float is about $5, and a Dole Whip is about $3.25, would could say that each guest orders about $4 worth of product at Tiki Juice Bar. Maybe they serve up about a drink a minute, so that would be $240 per hour, maybe about $2,400 a day, or about $864,000 per year.

    If it only costs Dole about $1 to make a dole Whip (considering that it is re-hydrated it is possibly less even), it costs the Dole Company about $216,000 a year to sponsor the Tiki Juice Bar, (though they do also sell fresh fruit).

    Take away from the $864,000 taxes, up keep of the Juice Bar and castmember salaries, and maybe you'd be left with $400,000 to keep the Tiki Room in good working order.

    No, let's say that Disney has to buy the Dole Whip mix, then maybe the profit on each drink is just $2, so they'd make $432,000 selling Dole Whips (or a similar product), and then mins taxes and castmember salaries and upkeep of the Tiki Fruit Bar, and you're left with a lot less money, like maybe less than $100,000.

    If Dole ends the sponsorship, I can see Disney raising the price by a couple bucks, and/or figuring out how to get a cheap "fruit whip" with pineapple somewhere.
    Last edited by chesirecat; 09-23-2012, 01:34 PM.

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    • #62
      Re: Dole Whip leaving

      Jack Sparrow - "You have been monstrously deceived." Pirate - We are decepted then..." Jack Sparrow - "Yes"

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      • #63
        Re: Dole Whip leaving

        To those of you who think I made this up, I have better things to do than brew this stuff up. A friend who is a huge Disney fan had come across this rumor and shared it with me, so I thought I'd bring it to the MC boards and see if anyone else had heard the same thing. Rumor or not, obviously the Dole Whip is a Disneyland staple to a lot of people and it would be missed. I agree with the videos... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! *LOL*
        Last edited by Mickey2005; 09-23-2012, 05:56 PM.

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        • #64
          Re: Dole Whip leaving

          It's unknown what their level of sponsorship is.
          they could as simply pay a fee annually and sell the mix to them at a wholesale price, as they do anyone else.
          It may be they are done with an obligated term of sponsorship and its another company's turn. The new sponsor may also have paid more to have their name on the signage.
          I would assume, they would still sell Dolewhip since its not a park exclusive, maybe a licensed product.

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          • #65
            Re: Dole Whip leaving

            Personally, I'm not a fan of rumors because that's all they are usually... rumors... speculation... all without any solid evidence.

            I'm not too concerned about Dole Whip going away from Disney despite being a fan of the dessert! I rarely get it at the park for some reason, and luckily I've found a place that sells the stuff locally! If you look up Lappert's Ice Cream and Coffee, they sell the stuff too!

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            • #66
              Re: Dole Whip leaving

              Untill there is confirmation, I remain skeptical.
              There is no right or wrong in this debate. It is simply a matter of perspective.
              -Dr. Strange

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              • #67
                Re: Dole Whip leaving

                Originally posted by chesirecat View Post
                Yeah, that's the sticking point, that Disney knows that the Dole Whips have a following.

                However, somebody saw the Bengal Barbecue serving a "fruit whip", similar in consistency, but different flavor, from the Dole Whip. Since the Dole Whip is just a mix that they add water to and freeze, they *could* serve Dole Whip everywhere, or at least a lot more places, inside of the park, but they don't.

                I think the most probably reason is that Dole gives the Dole whip mix for free to Disney as basically their "sponsorship".

                If Dole Whip ends this, then Disney has to start paying, and we all know that branded products, i.e. Dole Whip soft serve, cost a lot more than generic. If Dole Whip ends their partnership, and even if Disney decides to buy Dole's Soft Serve, they might not end call it the Dole Whip anymore.

                But what if an accountant (post sponsorship ending), figures out that they can serve the Bengal Barbecue's "fruit whip" at the Tiki Room for half of what it costs to buy Dole Whip, maybe saying hundreds of dollars a day.

                For all we know, the "fruit whip" served at Bengal was a "test run" to see how another type of fruit whip would do with guests.

                We all know the Dole Whip line is crazy long, I think it is most likely because Dole limits where Dole Whip can be served down to a single location in Disneyland, mostly likely b/c they are giving it away, in essence, for free. I.e. they sponsor/subsidize Dole Whips at the Tiki Room location only.

                ---------- Post added 09-23-2012 at 08:30 PM ----------



                Wonder how much money Disney makes off of the Dole Whips if they are provided gratis by Dole.

                Let's see, since a Dole Whip Float is about $5, and a Dole Whip is about $3.25, would could say that each guest orders about $4 worth of product at Tiki Juice Bar. Maybe they serve up about a drink a minute, so that would be $240 per hour, maybe about $2,400 a day, or about $864,000 per year.

                If it only costs Dole about $1 to make a dole Whip (considering that it is re-hydrated it is possibly less even), it costs the Dole Company about $216,000 a year to sponsor the Tiki Juice Bar, (though they do also sell fresh fruit).

                Take away from the $864,000 taxes, up keep of the Juice Bar and castmember salaries, and maybe you'd be left with $400,000 to keep the Tiki Room in good working order.

                No, let's say that Disney has to buy the Dole Whip mix, then maybe the profit on each drink is just $2, so they'd make $432,000 selling Dole Whips (or a similar product), and then mins taxes and castmember salaries and upkeep of the Tiki Fruit Bar, and you're left with a lot less money, like maybe less than $100,000.

                If Dole ends the sponsorship, I can see Disney raising the price by a couple bucks, and/or figuring out how to get a cheap "fruit whip" with pineapple somewhere.
                Do you really thing that the Whip actually cost them as much as $1? I'm willing to bet it costs them even less.

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                • #68
                  Re: Dole Whip leaving

                  Originally posted by chesirecat View Post
                  Not necessarily, if Dole leaves, then they will continue to sell their Dole Whip to other places, such as some places in Hawaii, and others. But I'm sure Precision Foods, or some other dry packaging processor, can sell a no-brand Whip mix to Disney at a much cheaper price when compared to having a branded product. Why would Disney buy the more expensive Dole whip over some generic product?, unless of course, Dole offers a cheap discount of the Dole product, which they might not do if they are completely pulling out.

                  Will a generic whip be the same? The formula for the Dole Whip might be Dole's intellectual property or something. Meaning if Dole pulls completely out, sure, Precision could sell the Dole Whip to Disney (just like they can to any soft serve vendor), but Disney won't get a special deal. And if 'no-name fruit whip' is cheaper, they might go with that, especially if they can get a pineapple, or a pineapple/organ whip similar in taste to the Dole Whip.
                  You act as if "Dole Whip" is some protected brand only certain people can buy/sell... It's in standard food service distribution, cost is about $20 for a bag of 72 4Oz (standard) servings (28 Cents a serving!). If you want the fancy Dole Mix Bucket (just a bucket with the mix ratios marked and a strir) it's about $14. Seriously, this is easy stuff to get. Precision has made it for a long time, and I believe it was made by Frostline from day one (owned by Precision, and a very common brand for the standard flavors you see in the soft serve industry). Basically the "Dole" stuff is Frostline with fruit flavors, and they license the Dole Name, they probably made a "B2B" type agreement and that why the Dole Plantation get it.

                  At 28 cents (and that's one bag, I'm sure once you get into quanity, it gets into the 15 cent range), I doubt there's much need to find a generic supplier, they can just sell it as "Pineapple Whip".

                  ---------- Post added 09-24-2012 at 06:05 PM ----------

                  Originally posted by Thomas998 View Post
                  Do you really thing that the Whip actually cost them as much as $1? I'm willing to bet it costs them even less.
                  Yep, SINGLE bag is 28cents ($20/bag, 72 4oz servings). I'm sure they pay a lot less, probably in the 12-15/bag range. It's in fairly normal food service distribution... just about any "Froyo" shop can order it from their distributor.

                  Hate to say it, but Food is cheap, and the markup in the industry is high, you pay a lot more for the "overhead" and "labor" than the food.

                  ---------- Post added 09-24-2012 at 06:10 PM ----------

                  Originally posted by Disneytwins View Post
                  Precision Foods is the company Dole contracts to make the product. It may not be their formula to make as a generic product.

                  A sponsorship is basically an advertisement deal. Just because they don't renew, doesn't mean that their business relationship is over with Disney. I'm sure things will just go on as normal.

                  There is nothing special, no certification or registration to sell Dole Whip, anyone can buy the mix, it's nothing special, there's no agreement or authorization required. I can have a bag in my hands today if I wanted.
                  The only issue you could have is if you tried to sell non-dole wrip as "dole whip", but there's no issue selling "Dole whip" as "Pineapple flavored Non Dairy Dessert"

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                  • #69
                    Re: Dole Whip leaving

                    At first I was a little concerned when I read this thread but then looking over all the responses I don't feel too bad. It's too popular to shut down just over sponsorship and as previously pointed out, this lack of sponsorship may now give DL the opportunity to expand the menu to coconut whip or any other similar yet fitting products.

                    I admit, I'll miss the Dole name on it, it's become a staple for me but life will go on at DL just as long as the park finds a way to keep a comparable product available. As previously mentioned, that thing often has a LINE it's so popular.



                    I don't doubt that Mickey2005 heard something while there, I think like Mickey2005 himself I'm just wondering if anyone here can/will confirm what's up with this. Anyone?

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                    • #70
                      Re: Dole Whip leaving

                      Originally posted by PBandJ View Post
                      It always strikes me as odd that posts like this get pages and pages of replies without anyone asking what is the source of this rumor?
                      The thing I find sad is that the OP said that he had "heard (unconfirmed)." Meaning it is just a rumor and I heard it and it hasn't been confirmed, yet we have 5 pages of "no! They can't take this out!" "Why would they take that out, it's so popular?" "They could just buy it from Dole and sell it themselves." etc, etc. Treating it as if it is happening. lol.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Dole Whip leaving

                        Originally posted by mycroft16 View Post
                        The thing I find sad is that the OP said that he had "heard (unconfirmed)." Meaning it is just a rumor and I heard it and it hasn't been confirmed, yet we have 5 pages of "no! They can't take this out!" "Why would they take that out, it's so popular?" "They could just buy it from Dole and sell it themselves." etc, etc. Treating it as if it is happening. lol.
                        Oh I agree, I'd find it quite interesting if Dole would leave... especially with the updated video (I know, nothing special). But I seriously doubt the sponsorship is huge $$$ on either side compared to other sponsorships in the park.

                        The only little bit of truth is the fact that Pineapple Production in Hawaii is winding down, and only a fraction of the Market comes from Hawaii anymore. Del Monte pulled out in 2006, Maui Land & Pineapple, Inc (Maui Gold) pulled out in 2009.

                        Most U.S. Market comes imported from Costa Rica, but world production mainly comes from Thailand, the Philippines, Brazil, China, India and Costa Rica.

                        Dole has some operations in Hawaii, but it's a sliver of what they had in the past. Most of the land is now being used for other crops (in many cases to provide for the local market), or sold for development. The Sugar industry had a similar shake up in the 90s.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Dole Whip leaving

                          To the OP: no, none of us have heard about this rumor.

                          It also seems extremely improbable at the moment. If I had heard this rumor in the 90s, I would have been far more concerned.

                          Someone probably created this rumor to just try to start something.

                          The current video playing for Dole was updated not too long ago. Sales for dole whips are consistently high. And, of course, the resort is now selling dole whip t-shirts.

                          Naw, Dole isn't going anywhere. At least not at the moment. And even if they decide to pull their sponsorship sometime in the future, I'm 99% sure we would still be able to get pineapple-flavored whips in the park.

                          Hakuna matata.




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                          • #73
                            Re: Dole Whip leaving

                            Originally posted by mycroft16 View Post
                            The thing I find sad is that the OP said that he had "heard (unconfirmed)." Meaning it is just a rumor and I heard it and it hasn't been confirmed, yet we have 5 pages of "no! They can't take this out!" "Why would they take that out, it's so popular?" "They could just buy it from Dole and sell it themselves." etc, etc. Treating it as if it is happening. lol.

                            Same as it ever was.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Dole Whip leaving

                              I don' t think I would miss it all that much. Yesterday I made my own with blue bell pineapple sherbet and dole pineapple juice. I can have them year round for fraction of the price.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Dole Whip leaving

                                I'd find it pretty hard to believe if this were to actually happen. However, a small shred of evidence (and it's probably nothing) is that the new Vinylmation Dole Whip is officially called "Frozen Drink."

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                                • #76
                                  Re: Dole Whip leaving

                                  Dropping sponsorship does not mean that the non-exclusive treat will leave.

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                                  • #77
                                    Re: Dole Whip leaving

                                    This is almost as bad as when I heard that Chevron was leaving Autopia!
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                                    • #78
                                      Re: Dole Whip leaving

                                      Well, Magic Mountain has the Whips now. And not just Pineapple but also Strawberry and Mango (both of which are GREAT).

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                                      • #79
                                        Re: Dole Whip leaving

                                        I'll believe it when i don't see it


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                                        • #80
                                          Re: Dole Whip leaving

                                          If Dole does not renew the sponsorship. They, Disney, would have to pay Dole if they wanted to keep selling it and calling it Dole Whip or change the name of the drink.
                                          James

                                          Once a Disney fan, always a Disney fan

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