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  • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

    Originally posted by JMazz View Post
    As a lead health & safety compliance officer that is in no way associated w/ Disney and after reading from page 1 - 6, I can really see why (not for the first time, mind you) I am called into court to testify on occasion.

    This is the very ugly side of MC. This has been happening more and more. An increase all summer, in fact. It makes us look bad. Quick Reminder: the GP (general population) looks to us for answers. When they come across a page like this, it really becomes off-putting to them.

    Malina, your OP was valid. You wanted to ask a question and it was answered...
    ...and answered ...and answered ...and answered... I'm done w/ this one. Thx for the unsolicited drama.

    To some of the MCers here, please know that you will probably NEVER convince the other POV that you are "correct", esp. after ten pages. Will someone please just call someone else a freakin' name and get this thread sent to the litter bin? Jeeze.

    ---------- Post added 10-10-2012 at 03:54 AM ----------




    This one was a doozie for sure. And you would never know it based on the OP.
    Thanks, JMazz. At this point, I think the thread should be locked, if people are going to get nasty...
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    • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

      Originally posted by Malina View Post
      Thanks, JMazz. At this point, I think the thread should be locked, if people are going to get nasty...
      In your original post you shared your experience and then asked if it was what should have happened. It seemed to be a genuine question. Many came forward and answered that, yes, it was perfectly normal and shouldn't be a worry. For some reason you then began to argue with those who had answered your question. What was it, exactly, that you were looking for when you started this thread?

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      • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

        Originally posted by redberon View Post
        And it may have been out of the question without sacrificing safety, so what's the problem?
        Maybe for one worker to answer, yes. However the original post stated that there were 4 people checking belts. One of them could have answered.

        Originally posted by redberon View Post
        I'm not saying this to be rude, but it's obvious to me that not only is her understanding of a rides operation lacking, but yours is as well. You can't become an expert in riding a bike by simply watching others ride bikes.
        If it appears that a rider who has admitted to being on the ride on numerous occasion didn’t have knowledge of the ride imagine how a first time rider would have felt in that situation. That is all the more reason for the workers not to ignore a safety concern.

        Originally posted by redberon View Post
        And the deal is you don't have to be an expert, The people doing it are. I'd hope you don't think every guest can be reassured of their safety in all their situations, because Signs won't do it. A CM verbally acknowledging you could put a guest/cm in the hospital if done at the wrong time. There's no sign or spiel that can prepare you as well as simply observing, and most guests foreign and local do just that.
        She did observe. She observed her seatbelt wasn’t working. She let the worker know that just as she was supposed to do. The workers did not acknowledge her concerns. That is a large failure.

        Originally posted by clippers6 View Post
        You just have to accept that sometimes things don't go 100% smoothly, but that systems are in place, systems that you may not even be aware of, to keep you safe. When I'm on a flight with bad turbulence I don't expect the flight crew to come comfort me. I'd rather the pilots focus on flying the plane and the flight attendants strap themselves in for their own safety.
        However if you saw the stewardesses and other passengers strapping themselves in and your belt didn’t work wouldn’t you expect one of the flight crew to assist you?
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        • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

          This whole thread could have been prevented by one CM listening to the guest and checking her seat belt.

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          • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

            Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
            This whole thread could have been prevented by one CM listening to the guest and checking her seat belt.
            Exactly!
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            • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

              Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
              This whole thread could have been prevented by one CM listening to the guest and checking her seat belt.
              Bingo.
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              it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
              together with every variety of recreation and fun,
              designed to appeal to everyone."

              - Walt Disney

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              "It's very symbiotic."
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              • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
                It has not loops....unless you weight less then 50 pounds and are not holding to the hand rails...or holding the seat belt you will not fall out that ride
                Originally posted by snopes.com
                • May 1964: Mark Maples, a 15-year-old Long Beach, CA, resident, was killed when he tried to stand up on the Matterhorn Bobsleds. Maples (or his companion) foolishly unbuckled his seatbeat and attempted to stand up as their bobsled neared the peak of the mountain. Maples lost his balance and was thrown from the sled to the track below, fracturing his skull and ribs and causing internal injuries. He died three days later.

                Originally posted by snopes.com
                • 3 January 1984: Dolly Regene Young, a 48-year-old Fremont, CA, resident, was killed on the Matterhorn in an incident remarkably similar to the first Disneyland guest death nearly twenty years earlier. About two-thirds of the way down the mountain Young was thrown from her seat into the path of an oncoming bobsled, her head and chest becoming pinned beneath its wheels. An examination of Young's sled revealed that her seatbelt was not fastened at the time of the accident, but because she was riding alone in the rear car of a sled no one could determine whether or not she had deliberately unfastened her belt.


                Try again!

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                • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                  well that first example is extremely unfair. the kid unbuckled his seatbelt and tried to stand!

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                  • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                    Originally posted by paradesintherain View Post
                    well that first example is extremely unfair. the kid unbuckled his seatbelt and tried to stand!
                    You're missing the point:

                    Originally posted by Malina View Post
                    ....my belt wasn't working even at the point where they were checking with flashlights to ensure we were all buckled up--and if the seat belts aren't designed to release until the last checkpoint they should let people know so they won't freak out. I've read how Dolly's Drop got its name, so the prospect of being on that ride without a seat belt probably did make me panic.
                    "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                    it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                    together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                    designed to appeal to everyone."

                    - Walt Disney

                    "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                    - Michael Eisner

                    "It's very symbiotic."
                    - Bob Chapek

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                    • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                      Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                      You're missing the point:
                      Exactly. How a rider's belt becomes unbuckled is irrelevant. That post was illustrating what the consequences of riding without a restraint could be.
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                      • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                        because i'm sure if malina did somehow get sent on the ride without her belt, she would have definitely stood up at the top of a drop, rather than hanging on as tight as she could.

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                        • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                          Originally posted by paradesintherain View Post
                          because i'm sure if malina did somehow get sent on the ride without her belt, she would have definitely stood up at the top of a drop, rather than hanging on as tight as she could.
                          Dolly didn't stand up either.
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                          • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                            Originally posted by Bob Weaver View Post
                            This whole thread could have been prevented by one CM listening to the guest and checking her seat belt.
                            I am assuming, and correct me if I am wrong, that your post here is directedtowards/inspired by my comment above...

                            It isn't that the thread needs preventing. *if* she got bad CS, well then so be it. It would be great to prevent it, it would be great to inform others of this so they can look out for it, etc. etc. It isn't that the thread needs to be prevented.

                            It is the mindless and repetative drivel. The people involved said their peace over and over and then ppl got nasty. And it just isn't this thread. So many threads where someone will say the same freakin' thing over and over as if it will convince another person if they read it many times. It wont happen. It is MC after all; the most informative and unfortunately most headstrong Disney site on the web! And none of the arguers were noobies either.

                            Come on people. My GP friends have stopped reading and this is the #1 reason.

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                            • Re: Scary Matterhorn experience

                              A simple request from site staff: Whether or not you agree with there being a safety issue in a reported case, or the viewpoints of another member on an issue (which is part of a discussion forum, people having differing opinions), please merely keep in mind that mocking the thread or openly putting down the member themselves because you disagree with their take on an experience they had is not fair play or respectful/conducive to open discussion.

                              Furthermore, the deliberate slams on someone stating their opinion done in a way suggesting they should not talk about a topic because you disagree with what they think about what happened to the extent of personal rudeness is not allowed by MiceChat rules, and the piling on of a person in this case trying to dissuade them from their experience or say they were wrong for concern in an increasingly personal 'put down' type of manner on the part of some is not constructive and not allowed at any time when done deliberately, especially to 'win' a perceived argument.
                              This has only served to escalate this thread into a fight, frankly, and that serves no one on this forum well: members, casual readers who haven't joined, or staff.

                              In the future, please think first not of 'how can I win this argument' in instances where you feel an issue is 'unimportant' or ways to shout down people in a personally confrontational manner over a experience they had. Discuss the issue, rather than the motives or how 'wrong' someone is, as that only increases hostility and ill will.

                              Regretfully, at this time, these actions on both sides have caused this thread to be closed permanently. Staff does not relish doing so and we try hard to avoid outright locking threads whenever possible, but we sincerely hope some lessons might be learned from this statement and how this situation unfolded going forward.
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