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  • #21
    Re: Soarin over California 2.0

    Originally posted by Chesire View Post
    Soarin' Over the World would be just another jab at the already-declining California presence in California ​Adventure. All Soarin' needs is a little TLC, and it'll be back to good in no time.
    Why do the attractions have to stay california? Most everything at Tokyo disney sea is not directly sea related and that place seems to be everyone's favorite park. The sea theme is just a vague starting point for the lands and the attractions. If anything at TDS, the lands are based around the sea while the attractions are based on the land. Not all attractions there are based directly on the sea itself. Why can't DCA be the same?

    Aviation in general is very california so condor flats will always be connected to california. Soarin' would still be in theme with condor flats even if it starts taking us around the world. Imo trying to make every attraction directly california themed would be way to limiting.
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    • #22
      Re: Soarin over California 2.0

      Originally posted by Chesire View Post
      Can't agree with you more about Buena Vista Street and Cars Land, I'm talking more along the lines of TLM and Bugs Land. I love both, but no matter how you view it, they don't fit the theme of California.
      Ah, yes, TLM. I completely agree with you! I completely forgot about that-- the attraction is pretty easily forgettable. It really was a disappointment. If it had been an incredible dark ride, I might have been able to overlook the fact that its presence doesn't really make sense thematically (the fact that's she's from the ocean and Paradise Pier is next to the ocean is way too much of a stretch for me), but the ride itself is a wasted opportunity. I would love to see that beautiful building used for something that better compliments the theme of the pier and the theme of the park as a whole. But I guess that's a different topic for a different thread. :P

      As far as "a bug's land" is concerned, it's been there for a while, so that's why I wouldn't say that's the park's California presence is currently declining. But I agree that it makes absolutely no sense thematically. This, in addition to the mediocre attractions, make me hope that the land will be replaced with something that actually enhances the park's theme and hosts attractions that both kids and parents can enjoy simultaneously. The scenery is charming and the idea of shrinking down to the size of the bug is cute, but that's all the credit that I can give it.

      Originally posted by clippers6 View Post
      I'd like to see it redone as a tribute to California's aviation history. You would still fly over some gorgeous California landscape, but the theme would be that you are flying with famous pilots. You can be there to witness early barnstomers, air circuses, the breaking of the sound barrier, the Spruce Goose, Hollywood stunt pilots, prototype aircraft such as the SR-71, the testing of the Space Shuttle Enterprise, and end with a flight through Disneyland (you could even have the Endevour flying over is you want, although Disneyland/DCA at night would provide a more dramatic end to the film). You can throw in small cameos from The Rocketeer, Dumbo, and Tinker Bell. This would become DCA's new thesis attraction now that Golden Dreams is gone.
      I like this idea. Actually, I really love this idea! I think that it would make the entire land of Condor Flats make more sense. Right now, you fly over some pretty landscapes and witness the beauty of the Golden State, but you don't get a sense of why or how aviation is an important part of California to the point that it has its own land in the park. Increasing the emphasis on CA's aviation history during the ride could help tie the land together.

      Originally posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
      The Q needs to be redone...I think they can make it more interactive...with models and TV screen doing trivia and showing old video's of flights

      and also make it feel more like a airbase too and of course make the outside park indoor too
      Yeah, I've always felt like the queue was a little lackluster. The pictures of the famous aviators inside are fantastic, but overall, I don't get the impression that I'm in an airbase or any sense of story behind the attraction. I'd like to see what they could come up with if they redid the area.

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      • #23
        Re: Soarin over California 2.0

        I believe that you could breathe another 5 years of life into the attraction with a few tweaks & upgrades:

        - Remaster the film to a higher digital standard and better frame rate (4K comes to mind as the minimum format to upgrade to). In the current iteration of the film there are obvious signs of film degrading like visual pops and bleaching. I had assumed that when the ride opened they used digital projecting but now it's obvious that they are using the old IMAX film standard. Nowadays when I go on Soarin I get flashbacks of the Omnimax when it was on it's last legs at Ceaser's Palace in Vegas.. this is not a good thing.

        - Fix the scent machine - I can't remember the last time I was able to smell Redwood Creek.

        - Add 3-D - Some have mentioned it in previous posts and I agree. Especially since the 4K frame rate and 3D complement each other very nicely.

        It's either do the above or make a whole new movie with new scenes. Even though Soarin Over the World is just a rumor it makes the most the most sense as a worthy uprgade if they're deciding to go in that direction.
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        • #24
          Re: Soarin over California 2.0

          Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
          Why do the attractions have to stay california? Most everything at Tokyo disney sea is not directly sea related and that place seems to be everyone's favorite park. The sea theme is just a vague starting point for the lands and the attractions. If anything at TDS, the lands are based around the sea while the attractions are based on the land. Not all attractions there are based directly on the sea itself. Why can't DCA be the same?

          Aviation in general is very california so condor flats will always be connected to california. Soarin' would still be in theme with condor flats even if it starts taking us around the world. Imo trying to make every attraction directly california themed would be way to limiting.
          Tokyo DisneySea isn't about the seas directly, it's about different port of calls, found all over the world, being connected by one sea, at least to me. I'm sure if Disney wanted to make it a direct sea theme, they would have gone that route.

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          California Adventure, on the other hand, is about California. It picks and chooses parts of California that we all love, and showcases them. California Adventure celebrates California, and specifically California. It doesn't celebrate Tokyo, London, etc. You can go to Florida for that.
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          • #25
            Re: Soarin over California 2.0

            Originally posted by Chesire View Post
            Tokyo DisneySea isn't about the seas directly, it's about different port of calls, found all over the world, being connected by one sea, at least to me. I'm sure if Disney wanted to make it a direct sea theme, they would have gone that route.

            Dedication:
            Welcome one and all to a world where Imagination and Adventure set sail. Tokyo DisneySea is dedicated to the spirit of exploration that lives in each of us. Here we chart a course for Adventure, Romance, Discovery and Fun and journey to exotic and fanciful Ports of Call. May Tokyo DisneySea inspire the hearts and minds of all of us who share the water planet, Earth.

            California Adventure, on the other hand, is about California. It picks and chooses parts of California that we all love, and showcases them. California Adventure celebrates California, and specifically California. It doesn't celebrate Tokyo, London, etc. You can go to Florida for that.
            But why does everything in DCA have to be directly themed to california? Why cant it expand its options and take a more abstract TDS approach? TLM fits the seaside amusement park theme which fits into the over all california theme. Same for Soarin'. It fits Condor Flats' aviation theme which, in turn, also fits into california.
            In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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            • #26
              Re: Soarin over California 2.0

              Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
              But why does everything in DCA have to be directly themed to california? Why cant it expand its options and take a more abstract TDS approach? TLM fits the seaside amusement park theme which fits into the over all california theme. Same for Soarin'. It fits Condor Flats' aviation theme which, in turn, also fits into california.
              Because it's California Adventure, for crying out loud! TLM is stretching it, so would "Soarin' Over the World". It's like saying Phineas and Ferb belong in New Orleans Square because Phineas and Ferb live in America and New Orleans is in America.

              Sure, aviation may be a part of California, but no one thinks of it when they think of California. They think movie stars, sunny days (ha), Disneyland, etc. Soarin' only works because it features what I said above.
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              • #27
                Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                Originally posted by Chesire View Post
                Because it's California Adventure, for crying out loud! TLM is stretching it, so would "Soarin' Over the World". It's like saying Phineas and Ferb belong in New Orleans Square because Phineas and Ferb live in America and New Orleans is in America.

                Sure, aviation may be a part of California, but no one thinks of it when they think of California. They think movie stars, sunny days (ha), Disneyland, etc. Soarin' only works because it features what I said above.

                All I'm saying is that it works extremely well at TDS. Obviously phineas and ferb would be terrible in NOS. Its all in the execution. TLM is supposed to be a california seaside attraction so the ride fits the land that fits the park's theme. And all soarin over the world would need to tie itself back to California is the land it resides in. Without Soarin' over california, the land still looks and feels like California and its history in aviation. Not every attraction has to strictly reinforce the overall theme of the park.

                And I think most people are smart enough to associate aviation and california. Once you walk into the land, this idea is already there.
                In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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                • #28
                  Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                  Originally posted by jcruise86 View Post
                  Sambo, I'm used to jump cuts, and I'd like Soarin' energy & money invested into making four new films that would rotate around the Disney parks after each hosts it's home film for three years: a Soarin' over the USA for WDW shot in the other 49 states, and a Soarin' Over Europe, Japan & China film in 3D for the other resorts. (One of the China films can be pirated from the other one.)

                  If they are hang gliders and we want to cover hundreds of miles in a few minutes, jump cuts are the only option unless our vehicles have jets that soar up after each lower flyover. It would be educational to fly up so high we can see the whole state, country or
                  (European) continent and impose map outlines along with place names on the area we are about to zoom down on. But I'd prefer sticking with jump cuts. Maybe have one film every day where the gliders crash for verisimilitude.

                  P.S. Hey Disney World visitors, did you know that WDW's Soarin' is (except for a glimpse of Nevada in the Lake Tahoe skiing scene) shot entirely in California? Please do two things:
                  1. Visit California to experience many of the actual places you soared over. Spend money here.
                  2. Demand a "Soarin' Over the USA" at WDW so I have another reason to visit and spend $ in Florida.
                  I like the idea of different videos changing views every year. The scents need to be fixed!!!

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                  • #29
                    Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                    I think Soarin' over the World makes much more sense at Epcot than DCA. If the attraction receives some upgrades, mostly just an improved queue and some minor changes to the ride, I don't think Soarin' Over the World is necesarry. That being said, I think it'd be interesting to have Soarin' over the world on one screen and the original on the other.
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                    • #30
                      Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                      When I was hired to be an extra for the filming of Soaring, I was told that the film would be shown for 10 years. The ten years have passed and I still think that the ride is so much fun!
                      Yes, it can be helped with some updates. I'd like to be able to smell the orange groves again, the lens needs to be cleaned, the screen needs to be replaced, etc.. Even possibly a new show, but we do have a classic on our hands. Yay for Soaring!

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                      • #31
                        Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                        The basic ride concept of Soarin' isn't the problem. It's a fantastic experience. Just the film it uses is really starting to show a lot of wear and tear. Maybe a digital restoration and/or maybe a 3D conversion might be in order. I'd rather see them shoot an entirely new film in 3D rather than a conversion though.

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                        • #32
                          Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                          DCA's Needs at least some updates to some of the senes like LA and Disneyland but can the one at Epoct get a different film entirly, like instead of LA they fly over New York, or London, or even Orlando and at the end maybe fly over Epcot or the Magic Kingdom because how weird is it you are in Florida and you are flying over Disneyland?
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                          • #33
                            Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                            Originally posted by brianpinsky View Post
                            because how weird is it you are in Florida and you are flying over Disneyland?
                            Not that I disagree but those Easteners need a chance to fly into a real theme park.
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                            • #34
                              Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                              I also found the jump cuts to be distressing for the effectiveness of the attraction/illusion. I love Soarin' and was both thrilled and disappointed when I first rode it. I love the idea and the technology but I thought there was a better way to create the transitions. How about Disney magic where the Genie from Aladdin is your pilot (or stewardess!) and he creates magical transformations between each "cut". That would add Disney and create a seamless experience to this wonderful attraction. IMHO.

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                              • #35
                                Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                                Originally posted by Country Bear View Post
                                I also found the jump cuts to be distressing for the effectiveness of the attraction/illusion. I love Soarin' and was both thrilled and disappointed when I first rode it. I love the idea and the technology but I thought there was a better way to create the transitions. How about Disney magic where the Genie from Aladdin is your pilot (or stewardess!) and he creates magical transformations between each "cut". That would add Disney and create a seamless experience to this wonderful attraction. IMHO.
                                Please, no. I really think that bringing in Disney characters would be a major step backwards. I'm sure that smoother transitions could be created in a more realistic manner without bringing a bright blue cartoon genie into the attraction.

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                                • #36
                                  Re: Soarin over California 2.0

                                  Regarding upgrades to the technology, there is a company in Canada (Soaring Attractions) that is building a new Soarin' type attraction at Vancouver's Canada Place. It's called FlyOver Canada and is basically the same idea as Soarin' but using digital projection and curved screens. Their team has ex Disney Imagineers on it.

                                  From their website:
                                  "FlyOver Canada, a new $15 million major destination visitor attraction, will open at Vancouver's Canada Place in Spring 2013. Guests will soar coast to coast across Canada in groups of 60 at a time on a breathtaking aerial journey, experiencing the excitement and grandeur of our great nation through the latest in virtual ride technology."

                                  Their website: Soaring Attractions LP - About Us

                                  "Groups of up to 60 guests at at time will strap in and be lifted in front of a large custom spherical screen where they will move in concert to a film with the most stunning vistas of Canada shown from the air. The immersive effect will be complete with the addition of wind, scents, mist and sound. "

                                  FlyOver Canada website: FlyOver Canada - Taking off spring 2013

                                  It would appear this is the next generation of the Soarin' technology.

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