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  • [Chat] Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

    With the purchase of Lucasfilm by Disney, what are the implications for the long-rumored 3rd Gate?

    The "Gardenwalk" thread has been resurrected......... It is prime real estate linking the Toy Story lot to Pumba......... which I have always thought was an invaluable link between the eventual mega-parking structure at Pumba and the eventual 3rd Gate.

    But now Disney has purchased Pixar (which is currently adequately represented in DL and DCA), then Marvel (which has yet to see a significant presence in the DLR) and now Lucasfilm (w/ two E-tickets in DL)......

    What do you think are the implications of these acquisitions on the future of a 3rd gate? Disney has acquired a mass of IP and they don't intend to sit on it forever....... Could you see the removal of STII and relocation to a 3rd Gate at Toy Story lot?

    Would a 3rd Gate be strictly Star Wars? Star Wars/Marvel? Is the purchase of Gardenwalk from the new owners now in play? Gardenwalk sold for something in the area of $200M (although no figures were released) but they spent $4B EACH for Marvel and Lucasfilm.......

    What do you think are the implications of Disney's recent spending spree on an eventual 3rd Gate?

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    Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

    It'd be nice for Indiana Jones to relocate to an eventual third Marvel/Lucas gate, freeing up real-estate in Adventureland; I know that could never happen though.
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    • #3
      Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

      A hero theme park! Dedicated to adventure, bravery, strength, and the importance of standing up againstevil.
      In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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      • #4
        Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

        Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
        A hero theme park! Dedicated to adventure, bravery, strength, and the importance of standing up againstevil.
        We are on the same wavelength. Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Marvel...all of these properties could really blend well together in the same way Islands of Adventure does (but I suppose that could be up for debate).

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        • #5
          Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

          I would think that there have to be discussions of DSA (Disney Studios Anaheim) now. I can totally see Disney going in this direction as an action packed theme park based in some of the most popular movies in history would seem like a pretty good concept for a SoCal theme park.

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          • #6
            Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

            If they can buy Lucasfilm for 4B, They can buy some acreage if they don't already have enough... To fill with adventure... But since we are seeing Iron Man enter the DLR...maybe it will be rejuvinating Tomorrowland...

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            • #7
              Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

              Originally posted by ohmyjustin View Post
              Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Marvel...all of these properties could really blend well together in the same way Islands of Adventure does (but I suppose that could be up for debate).
              Yep. And considering that Disney Corp is making a career out of copying Universal's "Ride the Movies" with Eisner's "Turning Movies into Rides," a Disney 3rd gate that copycats IoA will be no surprise.
              "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
              it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
              together with every variety of recreation and fun,
              designed to appeal to everyone."

              - Walt Disney

              "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
              - Michael Eisner

              "It's very symbiotic."
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                Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                Yep. And considering that Disney Corp is making a career out of copying Universal's "Ride the Movies" with Eisner's "Turning Movies into Rides," a Disney 3rd gate that copycats IoA will be no surprise.
                No, I think Disney Corp is making a career out of "Make Rides that People Keep Asking For." Maybe I've been riding things at Universal incorrectly, but their biggest/most popular rides are unique stories that do not linearly follow the plot outlined by the movie.

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                  Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                  Originally posted by ohmyjustin View Post
                  No, I think Disney Corp is making a career out of "Make Rides that People Keep Asking For." Maybe I've been riding things at Universal incorrectly, but their biggest/most popular rides are unique stories that do not linearly follow the plot outlined by the movie.
                  Really? People "keep asking for" world-class gems like Luigi's Beach Ball Toss, Finding Nemo Underwater Kiddie Kartoon Video, The Littler-Than-You-Thought Mermaid, Winnie the Pooped Out, Pirates of the Depp, and the Cars Test Track Redux with Big Rocks? No wonder Disney's raking in the big bucks.
                  "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                  it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                  together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                  designed to appeal to everyone."

                  - Walt Disney

                  "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                  - Michael Eisner

                  "It's very symbiotic."
                  - Bob Chapek

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                  • #10
                    Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                    I think they've done a good job incorporating Indy and Star Wars into DLR as they have -- the Jedi Academy is a huge draw in Tomorrowland, Star Tours is cool, and it really doesn't encroach, IMHO. Ditto with Indy in Adventureland: it's one ride, it's a VERY well themed ride, and it fits. If the entire area were dedicated to Indy or Star Wars, I'd have a problem.

                    I could see a heroes/superhero themed park as something that would be on Disney's radar. As to how well it would work, I don't know. If they came up with something as immersive and well detailed as the Harry Potter world at Universal -- say, a recreation of Bespin or Mos Eisley -- it could draw people in.

                    However, in all honesty...I'd much rather see Disney work on polishing up everything that needs to be polished at both DLR and DCA before they start messing with a third gate, particularly one dealing with characters that are NOT primarily seen as Disney characters, regardless of their ownership.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                      Originally posted by Malina View Post
                      I think they've done a good job incorporating Indy and Star Wars into DLR as they have -- the Jedi Academy is a huge draw in Tomorrowland, Star Tours is cool, and it really doesn't encroach, IMHO. Ditto with Indy in Adventureland: it's one ride, it's a VERY well themed ride, and it fits. If the entire area were dedicated to Indy or Star Wars, I'd have a problem.

                      I could see a heroes/superhero themed park as something that would be on Disney's radar. As to how well it would work, I don't know. If they came up with something as immersive and well detailed as the Harry Potter world at Universal -- say, a recreation of Bespin or Mos Eisley -- it could draw people in.

                      However, in all honesty...I'd much rather see Disney work on polishing up everything that needs to be polished at both DLR and DCA before they start messing with a third gate, particularly one dealing with characters that are NOT primarily seen as Disney characters, regardless of their ownership.
                      I couldn't agree with you more. I don't want to see DLR turn into another Disney World. I think a Star Wars land would be more appropriate for DHS.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                        I am the only one who wants the park to stay EXACTLY as it is right now? In my eyes (Tomorrowland needs some TLC but NO MARVEL) the parks are good as they are now.

                        So I'm very against any third gate in Anaheim.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                          I dont think you are going to see a 3rd gate in Anaheim. The non acquisition of Gardenwalk at such a cheap asking price says alot about disney not having any further plans for DLR expansion. Additionally, there were rumors that a Marvel park was in Blue Sky stage for the DLR, but with the probability, from all of the rumors, of a Marvel attraction being added to Tomorrowland, clearly the Marvel park is being designed for overseas. They wouldnt be adding a huge e-ticket Marvel attraction for DL while planning a Marvel park 2 blocks away, or even a heros type of park with a heavy marvel influence. I just dont see anything at all out there that suggests Disney has ANY further plans for DLR expansion, other than additions from time to time to the 2 existing parks. With that being the case, Im not sure what they can do to blunt the impact of what looks to be a MAJOR Universal Hollywood expansion with Potter, expanded park space and new Hotels. That realy will change the Southern california theme park dynamics. One Marvel ride wont even come close to matching the hype that will recieve all over the western half of the U.S.
                          Last edited by planodisney; 10-31-2012, 07:43 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                            Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                            Yep. And considering that Disney Corp is making a career out of copying Universal's "Ride the Movies" with Eisner's "Turning Movies into Rides," a Disney 3rd gate that copycats IoA will be no surprise.
                            Of course Wiggins, it could be nothing else besides that.
                            There is no right or wrong in this debate. It is simply a matter of perspective.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                              I am not against a third gate, however I would wish that we could get something more similar to a WestCot or DisneySea..


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                              • #16
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                                Originally posted by Spence View Post
                                I am the only one who wants the park to stay EXACTLY as it is right now? In my eyes (Tomorrowland needs some TLC but NO MARVEL) the parks are good as they are now.
                                I don't think many are jumping on that bandwagon. I think most people would like to see improvements made and not have things stay as they are today.

                                This means updating Tomorrowland to have thematically appropriate rides, removing the out-of-theme elements on Main Street, taking the pirate theme off the island, and removing the obnoxious "where's Waldo" Depp presence on Pirates.

                                I don't think many want all those things to stay just as they are.

                                Originally posted by Spence View Post
                                So I'm very against any third gate in Anaheim.
                                Why would you be against it? You don't have to go if Disney opens one. Why would you not want those who would enjoy a third gate to have one?
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                                • #17
                                  Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                                  I think a hero park would be a smart move. But I don't see them "moving" existing rides (STII, IJA) to the new park, unless they both need room at the old park for something new and are short on ideas at the third gate. It would be much easier (and cheaper) to concentrate on the new park.

                                  Speaking of which, the reason I think a hero park would work is that there is plenty of inspiration from real life, not just Marvel, LucasFilm, Pixar, etc. Imagine a Backdraft-like ride that salutes firefighters, or an Audie Murphy/Sgt. York/Band of Brothers ride(s), or a Sully Sullenberger simulator ride, SEAL team training demonstrations, etc. No need to worry about movie rights if you're using historical figures.
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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                                    I'm definitely up for one more gate (I think three is just enough). Honestly though, I'd rather just have either an entire Star Wars park, or an entire Marvel park. A combination of the two just seems odd to me.
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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                                      Originally posted by Malina View Post
                                      However, in all honesty...I'd much rather see Disney work on polishing up everything that needs to be polished at both DLR and DCA before they start messing with a third gate, particularly one dealing with characters that are NOT primarily seen as Disney characters, regardless of their ownership.
                                      You want them to finish the parks before they start with their next park. That's not the way the parks work. They will never be finished.

                                      Besides, if they are to do that, they won't have the money to start their next park. Money is allocated to the projects that need to be done. A little here and a little there.

                                      I don't even know what exactly you want polishing. This is subjective. By the time you come out with a TO DO LIST, the list will only expand. They will never get to the third park. There will be no money left.

                                      The Hero park sounds limiting. It sounds too male and genre oriented. Disney parks are never about one idea or another. It works best when ambigious and unfocused. Well, maybe too unfocused of late.

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Disney - Lucasfilm - Implications for a 3rd Gate?

                                        Originally posted by StevenW View Post
                                        You want them to finish the parks before they start with their next park. That's not the way the parks work. They will never be finished.

                                        Besides, if they are to do that, they won't have the money to start their next park. Money is allocated to the projects that need to be done. A little here and a little there.

                                        I don't even know what exactly you want polishing. This is subjective. By the time you come out with a TO DO LIST, the list will only expand. They will never get to the third park. There will be no money left.

                                        The Hero park sounds limiting. It sounds too male and genre oriented. Disney parks are never about one idea or another. It works best when ambigious and unfocused. Well, maybe too unfocused of late.
                                        I think that a 3rd gate will have multiple themed lands based on Disney owned properties/movies.......a high bred DHS/IOA so-to-speak. Although I don't think that attractions will be removed from DL or DCA and moved to the 3rd park.......it does give Disney the flexibility to do so and open up valuable real estate to add new attractions in their existing parks.

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