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  • #41
    Re: GAC abuse update?

    Originally posted by Stormy View Post
    Just a reminder that all conditions are not what they may seem; I can rest full weight on my screwed-and-plated ankle with no problem. It hurts right when I take the weight OFF after standing on it. Thus I can stand with my weight on it for a period with no problem, but you will see me wince when I start moving again, then limp for awhile until the pain goes away. Someone seeing me might think "Oh, she's faking, look at her, she had her weight on that leg and now she forgot to keep limping". The 'person in front' may have a similar situation.

    Not justifying that person's remarks at all, they were rude. But just a gentle reminder that all things are not what they seem at first glance.
    Ditto. With my orthopedic issue, I can walk (up to a point) but it hurts to stay still and just rest weight on the legs. If I keep all the weight on my "good" leg, the good leg eventually gives out so I have to shift. If my knees are okay that day, I don't limp; if they're stiff, I've walked too much, etc. I will.

    The guy sounds like a jerk and there's no excuse to talk that way to anyone, but I wonder if he was worried that the kid would crash into him. 50 pounds of exuberant child accidentally crashing into an injured body part can indeed hurt, and someone who is injured can't get out of the way as fast as someone who isn't.
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    • #42
      Re: GAC abuse update?

      I too have orthopedic issues. I have had surgery on my right knee two years in a row, and the next surgery will be knee replacement. I use an ECV but I also like to get up and walk when I am feeling decent. Like previously mentioned I can't stand for long and I can't do stairs, up OR down. So yes, I get a GAC that states those two things so that I can get off my scooter and enter the line if I want to do that. I also always provide a doctor's note stating the same things I just mentioned so the CM I speak with can see what I am talking about. I have no problem providing that information to get a GAC at all.

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      • #43
        Re: GAC abuse update?

        Originally posted by fifthrider View Post
        Bayouguy, you just raised a responsible human being. Thank you. I wish everyone could.
        Thank you.

        ---------- Post added 11-13-2012 at 09:44 AM ----------

        Originally posted by numberfour View Post
        my sister is mentally delayed (which is the proper term for it) and load noises and crowded place sends her into a panic attack. we were standing in the regular queue for the haunted mansion and she about flipped out becaues it was so crowded. we get one for her when we go and now that ive been diagnosed with severe anxiety i will have to get one as well. going into crowded areas sends me into panic attacks as well i cant even stand in a crowded aisle at walmart without pushing someone out of the way(most likely my husband because he stands too close to me) to get out.
        There is an incredible lengthy history of words used to describe a person who is handicapped and unfortunately many of the words have gone on to become hostile hatefilled words. I would suggest to call all people "people" and don't fret the labels. My daughter unfortunately is caught in a situation where her teachers are seeing her more an autistic than a student, and treating her as such (with all the garbage associated with the label!!).
        And I'm drifting off topic. Sorry.
        I am old. But still love Disneyland.

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        • #44
          Re: GAC abuse update?

          Why are we concerned about those abusing GACs? If you have a condition, Disney makes an effort to help you out. The disabled have to wait like everyone else. If more use GACs, it takes longer to serve them. Thus, it even out. The disabled or cheaters will visit the attractions at the same rate as regular people.

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          • #45
            Re: GAC abuse update?

            Originally posted by bayouguy View Post
            I would suggest to call all people "people" and don't fret the labels.
            I AGREE 100%!!!
            That is one thing my wife and I told each other the day my son was being tested. We agreed that no matter what the test results said, he was still the same little boy he was that morning before the test and nothing would change!
            ok, now i am off topic, sorry.
            Props to Poisonedapples for the cool sig!

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            • #46
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              I'm bummer however i feel it's more fair a friend told me yestorday when she went to get her gac renewed they said they are doing away with the current program in January and going to a time system like knotts does and how they do it for rsr. I am going to renew mine this weekend I will let u know if I am told the same thing. I really hope not.

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              • #47
                Re: GAC abuse update?

                time slot? I renewed my GAC this past week, they said nothing of the sort of a time slot or anything.. they did however put it for 2 months cause i am AP holder, and for AP holders they make the GAC's good for at least 2 months so that we don't have to keep coming back every week to get it updated.

                RSR is that they give us GAC holder's a fast pass and we come back at that time.. i don't think that RSR GAC fast pass use has anything to do with GAC abuse..

                ---------- Post added 11-13-2012 at 12:30 PM ----------

                Originally posted by oohykitten View Post
                The people that abuse the GAC that get me are the ones that have no tolerance for the kids that actually need a GAC. Last month my friend took her daughter who is very "handsie, non verbal" its how she communicates. The person in front of her was standing with his weight all on his one "braced bad leg" complaining about her child and not being able to calm down as they waited for Dumbo.

                can't judge a book by it's cover..you just don't know if that person had a underlying disability or condition that you can't see. I have aspergers, i get stress anxiety, waiting for long long periods is very hard for me, i flip out.not joking,but if you see me on the outside i look normal.. it's the inside that you don't see and that is where my condition rests.
                Last edited by Poisonedapples; 11-13-2012, 12:33 PM.



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                • #48
                  Re: GAC abuse update?

                  Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post
                  they cannot ask for a doctors note it's against the law and they can't question either..
                  My exact words to guest services when he asked my wife when asked why she needed a pass. I just replied that you are not legally entitled to that information and it is against the law for you to ask. I had the pass in my hand after that in about 15 seconds.
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                  • #49
                    Re: GAC abuse update?

                    [QUOTE=Poisonedapples;1056866558]time slot? I renewed my GAC this past week, they said nothing of the sort of a time slot or anything.. they did however put it for 2 months cause i am AP holder, and for AP holders they make the GAC's good for at least 2 months so that we don't have to keep coming back every week to get it updated.

                    RSR is that they give us GAC holder's a fast pass and we come back at that time.. i don't think that RSR GAC fast pass use has anything to do with GAC abuse..

                    from what my friend was told which has a pass just like I that there are no time slots now however there will be time slots and something about wrist bands starting in Januarry. My two months are up this weekend so I will see if I get the same information or not.

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                    • #50
                      Re: GAC abuse update?

                      time slots or not, they never mentioned anything about Fast pass time slots when i renewed my GAC at the customer service place in DCA. That was last Wednesday.

                      still don't get what that has to do with GAC abuse.. i mean i know the ride is popular and they are trying to space out the people so the ride line goes faster..



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                      • #51
                        Re: GAC abuse update?

                        Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post
                        can't judge a book by it's cover..you just don't know if that person had a underlying disability or condition that you can't see.
                        and that right there is the truth!!
                        Props to Poisonedapples for the cool sig!

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                        • #52
                          Re: GAC abuse update?

                          Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post

                          RSR is that they give us GAC holder's a fast pass and we come back at that time.. i don't think that RSR GAC fast pass use has anything to do with GAC abuse..

                          Actually from what I read, this is where abuse causes the most havoc For every person that gets a handicapped racers pass, that is one FP they had to remove from the machines. They predict how many GAC holders will ride and subtract that many Fast Passes. That is why RSR passes run out in an hour.

                          The Racers GAC fast pass throws off the carefully calculated fast pass system.
                          In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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                          • #53
                            Re: GAC abuse update?

                            Originally posted by Notorious1 View Post
                            and that right there is the truth!!
                            tru dat homey!! :thumbup:

                            Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
                            Actually from what I read, this is where abuse causes the most havoc For every person that gets a handicapped racers pass, that is one FP they had to remove from the machines. They predict how many GAC holders will ride and subtract that many Fast Passes. That is why RSR passes run out in an hour.

                            The Racers GAC fast pass throws off the carefully calculated fast pass system.

                            ..well i am sorry us GAC users are throwing of the FP system, but people like me who have a underlying condition that YOU can't see are not abusing the GAC FP or GAC system. Maybe then GAC users shouldn't ride RSR because of it's carefully calculated system... just sayin! :whistling



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                            • #54
                              Re: GAC abuse update?

                              Originally posted by Pinrar View Post
                              Actually from what I read, this is where abuse causes the most havoc For every person that gets a handicapped racers pass, that is one FP they had to remove from the machines. They predict how many GAC holders will ride and subtract that many Fast Passes. That is why RSR passes run out in an hour.

                              The Racers GAC fast pass throws off the carefully calculated fast pass system.
                              I mean no disrepect by this and i am in no way calling you a lier but i do not think this is accurate. Just my opinion.
                              Props to Poisonedapples for the cool sig!

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                              • #55
                                Re: GAC abuse update?

                                Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post
                                tru dat homey!! :thumbup:




                                ..well i am sorry us GAC users are throwing of the FP system, but people like me who have a underlying condition that YOU can't see are not abusing the GAC FP or GAC system. Maybe then GAC users shouldn't ride RSR because of it's carefully calculated system... just sayin! :whistling
                                Originally posted by Notorious1 View Post
                                I mean no disrepect by this and i am in no way calling you a lier but i do not think this is accurate. Just my opinion.
                                Not trying to be rude or anything I'm just repeating what I read in an article here. No need to get angry or defensive. In fact my girlfriend is handicapped and we use the GAC when she can't walk. I'm just saying that the racers system is what caused disney to consider overhauling the system in the first place because this is where the program causes the most noticeable effects.

                                Here is the article

                                The Party's Over - MiceAge.com

                                Once again, Im not complaining or criticizing or anything! Just saying that whether due to abuse or not, the RSR system is not perfect. So much so that TDA is trying to do something about it.
                                In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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                                • #56
                                  Re: GAC abuse update?

                                  i read that article and to me it just sounds like the FP system for RSR is just going to get re-worked..



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                                  • #57
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                                    Now i want to read the article but its blocked at my work computer...darn.

                                    Ta Da!

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                                    • #58
                                      Re: GAC abuse update?

                                      Originally posted by Poisonedapples View Post
                                      i read that article and to me it just sounds like the FP system for RSR is just going to get re-worked..
                                      I know, and that is why I replied to you and said that there is a problem with RSR system. The fact that they are changing anything says there is a problem. The article says it is due at least in part to abuse...which it very well could be. Abuse of the system is prevalent. How much so, we will never know. But you said racers has nothing to do with abuse when in fact, at least in disney's eyes, it is at the very center of the issue.

                                      Like I said no hate from me. I could care less about calculations and having to go early for my FP. Just saying that disney is looking at racers and GAC very seriously right now.
                                      In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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                                      • #59
                                        Re: GAC abuse update?

                                        but its not just RSR that people complain about.. it's other rides.. it's park wide.. that's what i meant that RSR has nothing to with the so called abuse of GAC's..

                                        ---------- Post added 11-13-2012 at 03:25 PM ----------

                                        but its not all abuse.. some peope think it is.. but not me, i know for a fact that just cause you don't see a outside condition doesn't mean in the inside there is something wrong.. and people tend to blame the APH's or the GAC holders on line conjestion by saying we abuse the system.



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                                        • #60
                                          Re: GAC abuse update?

                                          I noticed only a few using wheelchairs in what appeared to be abuse of the system last week. They were all in groups of about 10 with a parent pushing a child. I only noticed the problem on the weekend, making me assume it's locals and/or APH's doing this. I don't think parents should use their children like this.

                                          In one case there were two teenagers. One had a knee brace, the other had something wrapped on her ankle. It's ridiculous because only one of them needed to do that, the other could have gone as the family/friends, especially since there were only two of them! It just made it more obvious to me that they were cheating the system. It made them look stupid. Especially on California Screamin'. You can get a FP over and over and just go in the FP line more quickly than waiting in the Handicapped area!

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