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  • [Question] How long has this been OK?

    I've noticed this the past few visits -- squatters who trade pins and Vinylmation, turning Disneyland and the Downtown Disney area into a garage sale. I find it offensive, but Disney doesn't seem to care. How long has this been considered OK with Disney? I know the general low opinion of Disney management here on the forums, but are they really doing nothing about it?

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  • #2
    Re: How long has this been OK?

    Considering it is promoting the sales of Disney product, I don't see why the would have an issue with it. I've even seen it done inside the parks. As long as its confined to an area, and its not taking up valuable table top space during peak mealtimes, it doesn't really bother me.


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    • #3
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      In that case, I'll bring a box of old Disney clothes with me next time and set up shop outside Sleeping Beauty Castle with a sign that says "Everything $5!"

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by EC82 View Post
        In that case, I'll bring a box of old Disney clothes with me next time and set up shop outside Sleeping Beauty Castle with a sign that says "Everything $5!"
        I'm completely not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but please be respectful of "keeping the magic" whether you agree with what others are doing or not.

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        • #5
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          I was being sarcastic. I think it's an awful practice that makes Disneyland look like an ugly swap meet. Where does it stop? A bunch of gruff-looking ruffians who bring pins to trade? Seems weird and totally strips away what little "magic" remains.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by EC82 View Post
            A bunch of gruff-looking ruffians who bring pins to trade? Seems weird and totally strips away what little "magic" remains.
            Gruff-looking ruffians? They look like 99% of the rest of the people in the parks on a daily basis man. Let's not insult people based on hair style, clothing choices, etc. You know nothing about them other than they enjoy pins.

            You're going to let a handful of people tucked away in a disused corner trading pins ruin the magic for you? And yes, I say you are letting it. No one can force you to feel less magic, only you can do that. And "little magic?" Really? Do you realize that Disneyland itself is not magic at all? It is merely a stage. YOU bring the magic to the park. It is the child inside of you that you let out to play. If you chose to focus on your negative feelings about pin traders, etc, etc, they yes, you will feel less magic. Or you could focus on the positives and the things you enjoy and the beautiful themeing and the rides you love and the amazing characters and the sounds and sights and smells and tastes and laughter, etc and feel more magical than you have before. Trust me, what makes Disneyland seem magical is not the park itself or the employees or the other guests, but what you bring to Disneyland.

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            • #7
              Re: How long has this been OK?

              Thats the reason those tables are there, for pin trading.

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              • #8
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                I've never seen them.
                If they are just trading, I think it's ok. But the moment they put a price on something, they are violating a county ordinance, I'm sure.

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                • #9
                  Re: How long has this been OK?

                  I agree with I believe they set those tables for Trading along with the ones in Frontierland.
                  Always read the fine print.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How long has this been OK?

                    Originally posted by EC82 View Post
                    A bunch of gruff-looking ruffians who bring pins to trade?
                    I don't really understand what you mean by this. They look like anyone else walking around DL. It's incredibly inappropriate to insult strangers based on the way they look when you are talking about pin trading, which doesn't involve the appearance of the person who is trading.

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                    • #11
                      Re: How long has this been OK?

                      Originally posted by DJS View Post
                      I've never seen them.
                      If they are just trading, I think it's ok. But the moment they put a price on something, they are violating a county ordinance, I'm sure.
                      I agree in that trading is OK, but I don't think they should be selling. I don't think they are selling, anyway. My understanding is that they are trading, which is encouraged by Disney. If they were setting up signs like a "flea market" that would definitely be crossing a line, and as you said I'm pretty sure it would be breaking a rule of some sort especially within the parks.


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                      • #12
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                        "Gruff looking ruffians" is an insult? Geez. I didn't know people were SO touchy here. Wait. That's probably an insult, too?

                        These are grown adults who sit there all day with the sole purpose of trading pins or (out in DDD) Vinylmation. So, next time I go to Disneyland and I bring a bunch of plastic bags filled with my Disney memorabilia and I tell people I'm only "trading" it, that will be OK, correct?

                        What if I want to bring some sandwiches in and say I'm only trading them for other items, not selling them?

                        Is that OK?

                        I'd be ALL for this type of pin trading if there were a nice set of tables inside a building somewhere away from guests. Maybe Disney should accommodate this kind of activity inside Aladdin's Oasis?

                        Just a thought.

                        Look, there is sanctioned Disney activity like cast members dressed in costume who are filling a role, then there are people who come in t-shirts with plastic bags filled with merchandise who are just there to trade things. That seems completely out of place to me. But, hey, apparently I am being too sensitive and unmagical. (Yes, I just insulted MYSELF!)

                        Again, I just think this kind of activity brings Disneyland down to the level of a swap meet, but since they also freely allow outside food in the park now so people can camp out on benches and eat their picnics in the middle of Disneyland, I guess anything goes.

                        Actually ... couldn't they reopen the picnic area as a pin-trading area?

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by EC82 View Post
                            Geez. I didn't know people were SO touchy here.
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                            • #15
                              Re: How long has this been OK?

                              I'd encourage trading, and it seems there are tables for that. Trading encourages interaction amongst passionate Disney fans. It doesn't detract from pin sales, it may even give pin sales a boost.

                              personally, I'm not a pin collector, but I'm not offended.

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                              • #16
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                                Originally posted by EC82 View Post
                                "Gruff looking ruffians" is an insult? Geez. I didn't know people were SO touchy here. Wait. That's probably an insult, too?
                                Insult: n, A disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or comment.
                                You decide.

                                These are grown adults who sit there all day with the sole purpose of trading pins or (out in DDD) Vinylmation.
                                So what if they are adults? If it is what they like, more power to them. There are far worse hobbies to enjoy. Besides, who are you to question what other people enjoy doing in their spare time? I'm sure you have hobbies and interests that others would not find appealing, yet they leave you alone and don't call you a ruffian for engaging in said hobby.

                                So, next time I go to Disneyland and I bring a bunch of plastic bags filled with my Disney memorabilia and I tell people I'm only "trading" it, that will be OK, correct?

                                What if I want to bring some sandwiches in and say I'm only trading them for other items, not selling them?

                                Is that OK?
                                Nope. Disney has stated that Pin Trading is okay and has even set up official websites and rules and etiquette. It is not okay to bring your memorabilia and trade it, only legitimate, metal Disney pins.

                                As food is not okay to bring into the parks you would be limited to trading in DTD only with your sandwiches. That said, if you wanted to trade it with someone else, whose going to stop you?

                                In the end, the property belongs to Disney and they make the rules. Pin trading only within the parks at designated locations and following certain guidelines. No outside food in the parks.

                                To put it bluntly, your attempted argument is reductio ad absurdum.

                                I'd be ALL for this type of pin trading if there were a nice set of tables inside a building somewhere away from guests. Maybe Disney should accommodate this kind of activity inside Aladdin's Oasis?
                                Disney has accommodated pin traders by providing multiple locations throughout the park at which to participate in this hobby. Kind of hard to get it away from guests when it is guests participating in it. Plus, the purpose of having it visible is to spark interest in pins and further trading. So that would defeat the purpose.

                                Look, there is sanctioned Disney activity like cast members dressed in costume who are filling a role, then there are people who come in t-shirts with plastic bags filled with merchandise who are just there to trade things. That seems completely out of place to me. But, hey, apparently I am being too sensitive and unmagical. (Yes, I just insulted MYSELF!)
                                Ah, but they are not just bringing plastic bags filled with merchandise. Only pins are allowed to be traded. Any plastic bags of merchandise are purchases made by the person within the park like any other park guest.

                                You are allowed your feelings, but you must also respect the feelings of others by not name calling and by allowing them to participate in sanctioned hobbies.

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                                • #17
                                  Re: How long has this been OK?

                                  With the designated tables inside the resort, such as the ones in Frontierland, I've always thought that another aspect of it was Disneyland's ability to supervise what was going on. The pin trading is happening out in the open, it allows them to make sure everything is legit, and if nothing else, it alerts guests to the possibility of joining in. I know that the first few times I came to the resort I thought the CMs with pin lanyards just had them for fun, like the servers at the Hard Rock Cafe who wear a lot of pins on their uniforms. I had no idea pin trading even happened until I saw the Frontierland setup.

                                  Anyway, unless the traders are being aggressive or rude to guests, or are out of line in some other way, I don't see the big deal. Disney knows they're there and probably fueling the pin sales inside the resort, since so many will buy the "starter sets" to trade away. I wouldn't put that in the category of a flea market or, say, counterfeit t-shirt sales.
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                                  • #18
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                                    I for one think it looks tacky and Disney should get rid of it.

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: How long has this been OK?

                                      Originally posted by EC82 View Post
                                      "Gruff looking ruffians" is an insult? Geez. I didn't know people were SO touchy here. Wait. That's probably an insult, too?

                                      These are grown adults who sit there all day with the sole purpose of trading pins or (out in DDD) Vinylmation. So, next time I go to Disneyland and I bring a bunch of plastic bags filled with my Disney memorabilia and I tell people I'm only "trading" it, that will be OK, correct?

                                      What if I want to bring some sandwiches in and say I'm only trading them for other items, not selling them?

                                      Is that OK?

                                      I'd be ALL for this type of pin trading if there were a nice set of tables inside a building somewhere away from guests. Maybe Disney should accommodate this kind of activity inside Aladdin's Oasis?

                                      Just a thought.

                                      Look, there is sanctioned Disney activity like cast members dressed in costume who are filling a role, then there are people who come in t-shirts with plastic bags filled with merchandise who are just there to trade things. That seems completely out of place to me. But, hey, apparently I am being too sensitive and unmagical. (Yes, I just insulted MYSELF!)

                                      Again, I just think this kind of activity brings Disneyland down to the level of a swap meet, but since they also freely allow outside food in the park now so people can camp out on benches and eat their picnics in the middle of Disneyland, I guess anything goes.

                                      Actually ... couldn't they reopen the picnic area as a pin-trading area?
                                      You can't be serious with this post..

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                                      Those tables are set up in the park (in Tomorrowland and Frontierland as far as I know) for Pin Trading by Disney. I assume that Vinylmation trading is ok as well being that people do that in Downtown Disney also. Pins and Vinyls are large money makers them so it makes sense they would allow for people to trade them, thus leading to them buying more, etc. So no, you can't just bring a bag of random stuff and trade it, nor can you bring sandwiches or whatever else you mentioned. For the most part, these tables are tucked away and out of the "way" of traffic so there is no need to put them somewhere else.

                                      I also think it was a little out of line to call people that trade/collect those items "gruff looking ruffians" - like I said they are out the way and not harming anyone or anything. And they sure as Hell don't look any different than the park guests that enter Disneyland every day.


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                                      • #20
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                                        I think it would be OK for them to do this in Downtown Disney, but not in Disneyland.

                                        That being said, I'm really not as offended by this as you are. They aren't calling out for traders like food vendors at a baseball game, and they're not walking in front of you and opening up their coat to show you their pins.
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