Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

Collapse

Get Away Today

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • [Question] Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

    I love the Disneyland Monorail -- it is one of those iconic images that practically screams "Disneyland"! However, the technology dates from the 1950's and is nothing more than rubber pneumatic tires riding on a concrete beam. It is no longer "cutting edge".

    But how to update the monorail technology without destroying the classic monorail train esthetic? One answer -- redesign both the undercarriage of the trains and concrete beam track for magnetic levitation (MAGLEV) technology!

    Click image for larger version

Name:	maglev.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	11.0 KB
ID:	7370943

    Click image for larger version

Name:	_42118168_maglev_train_inf416x260.gif
Views:	1
Size:	18.4 KB
ID:	7370944

    Not only would this retrofit make for an exciting public relations announcement, but the ride quality of the monorail would improve signficantly (especially if the monorail route is expanded to include the rumored "Third Gate").

    What do my fellow Armchair Imagineers think?
    sigpic

  • #2
    Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

    Hold on WDWR has this techonogy in its people mover the problem is though it can only work on a flat surface. There is probaly new and better ways of doing it since the 1980's though but that was the biggest problem. It might be time to replace the track with all new modern technology but hey Disneyland is fine WDWR needs a new transportation system all over the entire property so they might want to do something with that.
    Check out my work on openstreetmap.org
    http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33...om=17&layers=M

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

      Maglev is hardly cutting edge, it's been around longer than many people on MC have been alive. It's not common place because it's not a great thing.
      Be Cool Stay in School!
      Next year I'm trying for a summer internship at Stark Industries.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

        Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
        Maglev is hardly cutting edge, it's been around longer than many people on MC have been alive. It's not common place because it's not a great thing.
        But the monorail concept was not commonplace when Walt decided to use it. It was unique. And I respectfully disagree with the statement that MAGLEV is not a great thing. Asia is making extensive use of it and it would be very unique in the American Disney parks. For those reasons, wouldn't a Disneyland/WDW MAGLEV Monorail be a very cool ride?

        Click image for larger version

Name:	maglev asia.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	77.3 KB
ID:	7347132
        sigpic

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

          What if we just redecorate all of Tomorrowland into a Jules Verne Steampunkish inspired land? Then we could have this:




          Nah I'm just joking. I personally have no opinion on the monorail. Whether it should stay, go, or be updates is someone else's debate.

          Total Tender Rides: 20
          Total Lilly Belle Rides: 9
          Total Dapper Days Attended: 2
          Total Mark Twain Wheelhouse Rides: 5

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

            Originally posted by DoctorQ9 View Post
            But the monorail concept was not commonplace when Walt decided to use it. It was unique. And I respectfully disagree with the statement that MAGLEV is not a great thing. Asia is making extensive use of it and
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]25592[/ATTACH]
            If it was great it would be all over the place. Since it's invention many trainlines have been built in the US and none found it to be reasonable over diesel engines, diesel electric or electric systems.

            It's not being extensively used in Asia, China is building train systems by dumping tons of money into them and then claiming they are high tech while trying to hide thier railroad safety record is aweful.
            Be Cool Stay in School!
            Next year I'm trying for a summer internship at Stark Industries.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

              Originally posted by brianpinsky View Post
              Hold on WDWR has this techonogy in its people mover the problem is though it can only work on a flat surface. There is probaly new and better ways of doing it since the 1980's though but that was the biggest problem. It might be time to replace the track with all new modern technology but hey Disneyland is fine WDWR needs a new transportation system all over the entire property so they might want to do something with that.
              WDW's people mover down not use Maglev. The People movers are pushed by Magnets, but they are very much in contact with the rail at all times, and are rolling on metal wheels along metal tracks. A Maglev train has not wheels and basically floats along the beam.

              I *think* I have read that Maglev train can negotiate an elevation change in their beamway so long as it is not at a station? Not sure there on that or if it could handle the time of the elevation changes the DL monorail handles along its beam.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                My employer is a technology R&D company in Torrey Pines. They have an experimental maglev rail in one of the R&D areas with a cargo type rail car on it. Sometimes when I'm down there working on an issue It's neat to see that thing power up and float along every now and then, but apparently it's there because the technology isn't quite there yet. I'm not saying that you can't find maglev vehicles, just that it's not exactly a perfected technology quite yet.

                From Wiki on "maglev":

                Birmingham - "the system was eventually closed in 1995 due to reliability problems" and "It was in operation for nearly eleven years, but obsolescence problems with the electronic systems made it unreliable in its later years."


                Despite the seemingly negative twist of my words, I'm actually all for a maglev upgrade. It's less working parts to go wrong. A redundancy system would have to be built in ( wheels ) in case all power was lost and it dropped to the track. I know it doesn't drop far, maybe 15 millimeters, but it would be enough to cause a problem. Overall it sounds like a good idea as long as it works.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                  Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
                  China is building train systems by dumping tons of money into them and then claiming they are high tech while trying to hide thier railroad safety record is aweful.

                  Not to mention how many times a day our network is attacked by IP addresses that are clearly traceable back to mainland China. Any advancements made are thanks to concerted hacking efforts that I have to fight on a daily basis. We're not alone, they hack anyone and everyone they can steal technology from and then claim they made it.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                    Since the trains were just replaced a couple of years ago, I doubt we will see new ones any time soon.
                    "Greetings, Starfighter! You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada."

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                      Ultra-high tech Monorails at Disneyland is a very cool idea. Unfortunately, given the months-long fiasco of the last Monorail upgrade, the ongoing downtime with RSR, and the Ergonomics 101 issues plaguing the Matterhorn upgrade, today's Disney would seem to be the last company one would pick to accomplish it. The sad fact is that Disney no longer has a Bob Gurr.

                      Nor, apparently, do they have a telephone with which they can call him for some sorely needed advice.
                      Last edited by Mr Wiggins; 12-11-2012, 01:24 AM.
                      "Disneyland is often called a magic kingdom because
                      it combines fantasy and history, adventure and learning,
                      together with every variety of recreation and fun,
                      designed to appeal to everyone."

                      - Walt Disney

                      "Disneyland is all about turning movies into rides."
                      - Michael Eisner

                      "It's very symbiotic."
                      - Bob Chapek

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                        Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                        Ultra-high tech Monorails at Disneyland is a very cool idea. Unfortunately, given the months-long fiasco of the last Monorail upgrade, the ongoing downtime with RSR, and the Ergonomics 101 issues plaguing the Matterhorn upgrade, today's Disney would seem to be the last company one would pick to accomplish it. The sad fact is that Disney no longer has a Bob Gurr.

                        Nor, apparently, do they have a telephone with which they can call him for some sorely needed advice.
                        Sometimes I wonder if WDI is just good with set decoration nowadays and not ride systems anymore.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                          Originally posted by swampymarsh View Post
                          If it was great it would be all over the place. Since it's invention many trainlines have been built in the US and none found it to be reasonable over diesel engines, diesel electric or electric systems.
                          Just to keep things straight, what we think of as diesel engines (or locomotives) are actually all diesel electric (a diesel engine turning an electric generator that provides power to electric motors on the wheels).

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                            Originally posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
                            Nor, apparently, do they have a telephone with which they can call him for some sorely needed advice.
                            But they do have a hydrophone for listening to fish talk.
                            "Greetings, Starfighter! You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada."

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                              Originally posted by calsig31 View Post
                              But they do have a hydrophone for listening to fish talk.
                              In English, no less.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                                Not sure about the technology, but I feel like there isn’t much of a cost/benefit to upgrading the current Monorail line.
                                I open a toy, review it and take mediocore pictures. Read all about it HERE!

                                Originally posted by VintageMouse;n8463446

                                You know best :-)

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                                  The Monorail was the vision of the future. It's now the cool nostalgic turn to the past.
                                  I am old. But still love Disneyland.

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Re: Disneyland Monorail - Time to Enter the 21st Century?

                                    i can see a new monorail line at WDW being maglev
                                    Take a look at some of my models I make at kolbykonnection.com

                                    Comment

                                    Get Away Today Footer

                                    Collapse
                                    Working...
                                    X