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  • News Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

    Thought this might be of interest. Looks like no Segways at DL nor at WDW


    Supreme Court Ends Attempt to Force Segway Use at Walt Disney World | DIS Blog
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    Thanks, Stormy! Interesting.

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      I do think Segways are inappropriate at theme parks. They're too crowded, and the Segways kind of want to run. They don't do stop-and-crawl terribly well. They're great when you have some space, but not in crowded areas. It's possible but I think it would be obnoxious and dangerous when you run into or over someone.


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        Doesn't it take up about 1/2 the room as one of the green motor scooters they rent out? Isn't it about the size of a stroller? So if your disability requires you to stay standing, but you can't walk long distances, you're out of luck.

        And that article was all legal mumbo jumbo, what was the jist of it?

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          I am glad to see that they won't be allowed. I know it may sound insensitive but I would like to see the electric scooters go away as well. I just think you're asking for an injury when you have a heavy motorized vehicle operating in a place with heavy crowds and lots of little ones. (I personally have had my ankles knocked(Ouch!) Such high ticket prices should allow for the the parks to provide a wheelchair and employee chaperone for those guests that have mobility issues.

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            Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
            Doesn't it take up about 1/2 the room as one of the green motor scooters they rent out? Isn't it about the size of a stroller? So if your disability requires you to stay standing, but you can't walk long distances, you're out of luck.

            And that article was all legal mumbo jumbo, what was the jist of it?

            The jist is (and I am not a lawyer) was that the appeal to the original lawsuit settlement was filed NOT on the actual issues of 'can Segways be used at WDW' but rather was 'due process of law' followed in that people not actually part of the class action lawsuit (but who may be 'interested parties') were not adequately notified of the suit. In other words, on a 'technicality'. At the appellate level the plaintiff in the case said that Disney did not notify the 'other interested parties' in compliance with the law. Disney said that the legal standard of notification had been met.

            All the Supreme Court did was refuse to review the previously approved settlement linked here:

            Federal Appeals Court Upholds Disney's Ban on Segways - Disney News

            When the Supreme Court refuses to hear a case, it means that case is 'dead' and there are no further appeals.

            This doesn't necessarily mean the end of any Segway lawsuits, just suits against WDW based on any issues contested in the original lawsuit. I guess someone could file another lawsuit if they were filing on different grounds. And it doesn't necessarily 'kill' the Disneyland Segway lawsuit, but could do so if the issues were the same as the WDW suit.

            Again, this is my interpretation. Maybe we have an attorney on MC who can correct me if I'm wrong, or further illuminate us?
            Last edited by Stormy; 04-15-2013, 09:53 AM.
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              Re: Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

              Originally posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
              Doesn't it take up about 1/2 the room as one of the green motor scooters they rent out? Isn't it about the size of a stroller? So if your disability requires you to stay standing, but you can't walk long distances, you're out of luck.
              I think its just too crowded to safely be able to use those things, especially given the speeds they can get up to.

              And this may be a dumb question, but if you can't sit down due to your disability, how would you ride any attractions? And if its that you can't sit for long periods of time, why not use a EVC just while you move from place to place and stand up once you reach a destination?
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                Originally posted by cruise View Post
                And this may be a dumb question, but if you can't sit down due to your disability, how would you ride any attractions? And if its that you can't sit for long periods of time, why not use a EVC just while you move from place to place and stand up once you reach a destination?
                This may be an even dumber question, but if Disney can ban bicycles, surely there's no question, dumb or not, that they could ban Segways, dog sleds, etc...

                Between the oversized strollers and the motorized chairs, is there any room left for healthy people who actually walk?

                Not that I would deny access to anything for people who truly need help, and there's plenty to see and do at the park even if one can't handle thrill rides.

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                  Re: Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

                  Not all visitors' disabilities are the same. Not all visitors' use of the parks are the same. Some might want to attend with their family. Others may want to come to meet friends for dinner.

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                    Re: Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

                    Originally posted by cruise View Post
                    And this may be a dumb question, but if you can't sit down due to your disability, how would you ride any attractions? And if its that you can't sit for long periods of time, why not use a EVC just while you move from place to place and stand up once you reach a destination?
                    Well, you answered your first question with your second one. As to your second question, using an ECV to get from place to place would be extended sitting, as it does sometimes take a while to traverse the park. Even if it is just short distances, it may be more sitting than the person is able to tolerate during the day and they are thus reserving the small amount that they can tolerate for rides.
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                      Re: Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

                      Originally posted by DobbysCloset View Post
                      This may be an even dumber question, but if Disney can ban bicycles, surely there's no question, dumb or not, that they could ban Segways, dog sleds, etc...
                      Surely there is a question about whether and to what extent they can deny accommodating a personal craft that enables a person with a disability to get around. Dog sleds, stupid, yes. Segways? Not at all necessarily stupid to question that.
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                        I don't think Segways are stupid, but I do think they're inappropriate for a theme park. It's too crowded, and the Segways are a bit clumsy in stop-and-crawl mode. Not that you couldn't do it, but it's awkward. They do better in places they can open up and go.
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                          Re: Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

                          Originally posted by alphabassetgrrl View Post
                          I don't think Segways are stupid, but I do think they're inappropriate for a theme park. It's too crowded, and the Segways are a bit clumsy in stop-and-crawl mode. Not that you couldn't do it, but it's awkward. They do better in places they can open up and go.
                          Also, more than slightly hazardous to every other guest in the park.

                          I actually have trouble believing that anyone would be self-centered enough to even consider bringing a Segway into a crowded park. I know I certainly wouldn't.

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                            ​Yeah, I don't even want to think about how many feet you'd run over.
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                              Re: Supreme Court decision on Segway lawsuit

                              Originally posted by RosevilleDisfan View Post
                              I am glad to see that they won't be allowed. I know it may sound insensitive but I would like to see the electric scooters go away as well. I just think you're asking for an injury when you have a heavy motorized vehicle operating in a place with heavy crowds and lots of little ones. (I personally have had my ankles knocked(Ouch!) Such high ticket prices should allow for the the parks to provide a wheelchair and employee chaperone for those guests that have mobility issues.
                              I think you are right. I can see where guests with mobility issues would complain but, there needs to be some control... I see too many traveling too fast for safety or seeming to not know how to control them... I'm surprised there have not been injuries. They also have a habit of parking in an access, blocking walkways. I've seen them texting as they roll.... eeek....

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