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  • #21
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    Hey guys, I AM a service dog! An actual, trained psychiatric service dog. My human has anxiety and PTSD and is on permanent disability. She has always hated going about alone in large crowds and now that she's very ill she finds it even harder. I help her lead a more productive life by escorting her into situations she finds terrifying, like riding a public bus with people screaming and chattering behind her.

    Here's the ADA rules: A service dog is a dog individually trained to do at least two tasks on behalf of a disabled individual.

    No patches, prescriptions, vests or tutus required. There is no such thing as "certification."

    By law a person questioning the dog's presence may ask only two questions if the human's disability is not visible: Is this a service dog? What tasks has he been trained to do? They cannot ask about the disability and they cannot ask to see the tasks.

    This is where things get difficult with psychiatric service dogs. Nuzzling and re-directing focus are NOT TRAINED TASKS that no dog would ever think of on her own. ALL dogs offer their owner unconditional love on demand, helping to heal wounded hearts. A trained Psychiatric Service dog can do that plus more -- my human has no short-term memory left after years of anxiety and medication so I practice finding her car in the parking garage. I find it about half the time -- really, I don't understand why she always wants the same car, and why we can't stop and eat leftover fries from the ground before we find the car.

    Being able to find the elevator is a trained task. Ringing a doorbell is a trained task. Getting a beer out of the refrigerator and bringing it to a human is a trained task. Barking when the phone rings MIGHT be a trained task; bringing a ringing phone to an owner is indeed a trained task!

    I am trained to find the exit, the ladies toilet, the car and the place they make coffee. I take cream and sugar in mine. At 2 1/2 I will learn lots more as my lifetime of training continues.

    My human benefits from my presence in the absence of other humans. That alone would make me a "companion animal," with the right to live in housing without a pet deposit, not a Service Dog. That I can enter any building and find "the back," "potty," "elevator" or "exit" makes me a Service Dog. If my human has a meltdown and needs to leave a situation, I can get her out faster than light speed. I pull her full speed ahead to the door that leads to outside. I am small but mighty!

    Someone wants to know what would happen if I bit them. Not that I would ever bite anyone (something about the hand with food in it?), but the dog that used to live here once bit someone so I will let my human answer: The only shot that one needs to worry about is the rabies shot. People don't carry the dog's shot records with them; if the dog has a rabies tag, the owner should offer to call the county or her vet if need be. The bite is covered by homeowners or renters insurance if medical care is required -- the owner is liable. Disneyland would only become liable if the dog has been misbehaving all day and they've not asked for it to be removed from the park. Needless to say, real Service Dogs don't bite!

    People who come to the park in groups that include bringing a dog for one member are precipitating a scam similar to the folks who bring a wheelchair so they can play disabled for better access. The whole point of having a Service Dog is for those times another human is unable to assist. Obviously with five people in the party, someone is available to assist, even if that person is an incompetent human rather than a superior creature like myself, who can hear the cellphone activate with an incoming call even before it rings...
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    • #22
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      Dobby and Malcolm are right; service dogs don't bite (and the ones in those photos appear to have muzzles, too, which would help reassure people, I'm sure).

      As far as I know, as per my vet, if any dog or cat bites you, you have the right to call the police and press charges about it. The owner has to provide proof of current rabies vaccination. If the pet isn't up to date, there's a choice between quarantining it for 10 days to see if it exhibits signs of rabies, or putting it down and examining it for rabies.
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      • #23
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        Originally posted by Malina View Post
        Dobby and Malcolm are right; service dogs don't bite (and the ones in those photos appear to have muzzles, too, which would help reassure people, I'm sure).
        To clarify, the dogs wear what is known as a "Gentle Leader". It is very similar to a horse harness. It allows the handler to train the dog easier. The dog can fully open their mouth. In fact, to teach them to like the GL, we start out by feeding them their meals while wearing it, so they learn good things happen while wearing it. But yes, they could still lick you to death.
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        • #24
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          Originally posted by Malcon10t View Post
          To clarify, the dogs wear what is known as a "Gentle Leader". It is very similar to a horse harness. It allows the handler to train the dog easier. The dog can fully open their mouth. In fact, to teach them to like the GL, we start out by feeding them their meals while wearing it, so they learn good things happen while wearing it. But yes, they could still lick you to death.
          Ah, I didn't know that! That's really cool. Your dogs, by the way, are adorable. I'm super allergic so I have to stay away from dogs, but I wish I didn't have to,
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          • #25
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            Originally posted by DobbysCloset View Post
            The whole point of having a Service Dog is for those times another human is unable to assist. Obviously with five people in the party, someone is available to assist, even if that person is an incompetent human rather than a superior creature like myself, who can hear the cellphone activate with an incoming call even before it rings...
            Actually, the purpose of the service dog is to provide independence. I have a dear friend who has a service dog (that we raised!) She also has 2 children. And we travel with them on occasion. Just because we are with her does not mean she does not need the dog or that we are scamming. (You should know you rarely get a shorter wait with the dog.) There are times she is alone in the park while the rest are riding a coaster, or in my daughter's case, while she is with her sister and myself the majority of the time, if she decides to head to a store or even if she just gets a head of me on Main St, she won't hear me call her name (she also won't hear the ride vehicles on Main St and Buena Vista.) When I call her (my daughter's) name, the pup will stop and turn towards the sound. If she (the dog) hears the horn from the trolley or a car, she will look back while moving, which will indicate to my daughter to look. A few trips ago, my daughter and I were in DCA, without the pup (who'd already had a long day) and while my daughter was taking pics, I wandered into a store. The trolley was coming and they had to stop for her as she could not hear it, despite being a lower tone. So, just because a group has a service dog in their midst does not mean they shouldn't have one. The disabled person probably doesn't want to have to rely on friends to do things for them that the dog does willingly and with a look of joy.
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            • #26
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              I was attacked by a service dog once. It beat me into submission with it's tail and then tried to lick me into senselessness. True story.

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              • #27
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                Thanks for all the useful information, Dobby. I was hoping you and your human would find this thread.

                Originally posted by DobbysCloset View Post
                No patches, prescriptions, vests or tutus required.
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                • #28
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                  I've a friend who raises and trains service dogs. I have the deepest respect for her and the animals that are approved. I cannot speak for every agency for obvious reasons, but I can definitely attest that in her case and with her dogs there is an EXTREMELY rigorous approval process that has MANY steps and evaluations between the handler receiving the puppy and the dog being allowed to serve.

                  She has thousands of hours experience at this, and the list of "reject" reasons where a dog is deemed unusable is lengthy and to the untrained eye potentially absurd. It works though - I've witnessed her dogs at our renfaire being attacked by humans and not respond. I've seen behavior where *I* would have attacked the idiot in question met with sad eyes and a hopeful wag and nothing else.

                  Obviously this does not apply to people who fake their way into their personal pet being accepted as a service animal. But when it comes to actual service animals I would trust them implicitly with my life - more than I can say for nearly any class of human.
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                  • #29
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                    Originally posted by Malcon10t View Post
                    Just because we are with her does not mean she does not need the dog or that we are scamming.
                    I agree, the dog is to provide independence. Obviously if your group were to get separated, she would need the dog, and the dog allows her to part from the group and take off on her own. So all good...

                    I can also see that a blind person who relies on a dog every day might want to bring the dog even if she's with sighted people.

                    Having a panic attack in a long line is no fun. If the dog can help me stay in line long enough to get on the ride, that would be great. But I would rather have my late husband who, as much as he grumbled, made sure I got to DL once a year for my birthday at the very least
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                    • #30
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                      Originally posted by Malina View Post
                      ITrained service dogs are working animals, and in my experience they're generally very focused on their owners and environment, don't try to interact with other people, know how to sit or stay down by their owner's feet, etc.
                      Dobby says, "I am very mighty but also I am very small. When I am providing service I must walk on the ground like a real dog and use my ears and nose to FIND things. But when I am not working, I like to be in the human's lap or arms, meeting people at face level. I also like helping children learn dog safety tips. There's nothing for me to do on a long bus ride until it's time to FIND THE EXIT, so I use my extra cuteness to entertain lonely passengers or keep babies from crying.

                      "As long as folks don't interrupt me in the middle of a task, I welcome interaction. Even then, my human will sometimes give me permission to interrupt a task and make friends. There is nothing better than a new friend, especially when they've got a Flamin' Hot Cheeto."
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                      • #31
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                        I'm not sure how many scammers there are, but there are lonely people that would do anything to keep their (child) pet with them, including stretching the whole service dog thing. I think I can live with that.
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                        • #32
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                          Just want to say that this has been a very informative and entertaining (Thanks, Dobby!) thread. I've learned quite a bit about Service Dogs!

                          Malcon10t, your dogs (past & current) are just beautiful. As a former Choc Lab Mom (we lost her at age 15 about 20 months ago & it still hurts) I know what wonderful, intelligent, loyal companions they can be. Your daughter's dog is especially beautiful. Is she a flat coated retriever or a Lab mix?
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                          • #33
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                            The only time I mind people lying about having a service dog is when the dog is not well trained and snaps or growls, jumps up on people, goes potty inside a store or restaurant, etc. As long as it is completely under the owner's control it's not a problem. Unfortunately, a lot of people who want to bring their "baby" into Disneyland under the guise of service dog do not have those dogs well-trained, which gives actual service dogs a bad name.

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                            • #34
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                              Originally posted by kirstenh View Post
                              The only time I mind people lying about having a service dog is when the dog is not well trained and snaps or growls, jumps up on people, goes potty inside a store or restaurant, etc. As long as it is completely under the owner's control it's not a problem. Unfortunately, a lot of people who want to bring their "baby" into Disneyland under the guise of service dog do not have those dogs well-trained, which gives actual service dogs a bad name.
                              That's really why I mind, too. Owners that don't train their dogs properly, and then pass them off as service dogs, don't do the real ones any favors. Plus, these false service dogs are hazards to other people - nobody should have to worry about being bitten, having a dog jump at them or approach them uninvited, etc., especially at Disneyland. Maybe someone's allergic. Maybe someone's afraid of dogs. Maybe someone just doesn't want muddy pawprints on their clothes. A real trained service dog isn't going to be a hazard but an untrained fake one can be.
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                              • #35
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                                Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                                Malcon10t, your dogs (past & current) are just beautiful. As a former Choc Lab Mom (we lost her at age 15 about 20 months ago & it still hurts) I know what wonderful, intelligent, loyal companions they can be. Your daughter's dog is especially beautiful. Is she a flat coated retriever or a Lab mix?
                                Thank you. She is 75% Golden Retriever and 25% Chocolate Lab. She is gorgeous (and she knows it!)
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                                • #36
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                                  I never knew this, but there are two places in Disneyland for dogs to...hmmm... do their duty... I found out by accident looking at YouTube...

                                  One in on Main Street. I'm not sure which one, but one of the little grassy areas surrounded by benches. It looks like it's near the hub on the Tomorrowland side. There is a gate that allows your dog enter and go...

                                  The second one is between Thunder Mountain and Fantasyland, near the two large wooden gates, is a spot with a little gate in the planter railing to allows dogs enter and do their thing..so to speak.

                                  Here are the videos...

                                  The Secret Disneyland Poop Gate - YouTube (location shown at about 1:30 into video)

                                  Secret Disneyland Poop Gate #2 - Randomland - YouTube
                                  (location is shown at 1:20-30 into the video)

                                  You can learn some crazy stuff watching YouTube....
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                                  • #37
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                                    Originally posted by kirstenh View Post
                                    The only time I mind people lying about having a service dog is when the dog is not well trained and snaps or growls, jumps up on people, goes potty inside a store or restaurant, etc. As long as it is completely under the owner's control it's not a problem. Unfortunately, a lot of people who want to bring their "baby" into Disneyland under the guise of service dog do not have those dogs well-trained, which gives actual service dogs a bad name.
                                    We've been in a store where there was another service dog that actually peed on an end cap. He was marking his turf. I made sure security knew about it because I didn't want our pups to be accused. We also stayed at certain hotels on a regular basis, and once, there was another dog and they were not cleaning up afte the dog. We made a point of making sure mgmt knew it wasn't us (and mgmt said they knew it wasn't...), and my daughter cleaned up after the other dog as people seeing us and the dog would just assume we were the ones leaving it.
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                                    • #38
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                                      Originally posted by Garrett240 View Post
                                      I never knew this, but there are two places in Disneyland for dogs to...hmmm... do their duty... I found out by accident looking at YouTube...

                                      One in on Main Street. I'm not sure which one, but one of the little grassy areas surrounded by benches. It looks like it's near the hub on the Tomorrowland side. There is a gate that allows your dog enter and go...

                                      The second one is between Thunder Mountain and Fantasyland, near the two large wooden gates, is a spot with a little gate in the planter railing to allows dogs enter and do their thing..so to speak.
                                      .
                                      The first spot you mention is on the walkway to the Matterhorn from Main St. Another one is by IASW. There is also one in NOS by the train. Then the one you mentioned by BTR BBQ (it is just dirt.)
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                                      • #39
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                                        Fake service dogs give authentic service dogs a bad name. Service dogs go through extensive training, and due to that training they are granted privileges that non-trained companion dogs are not given. It's the same as the whole GAC system, or any system, where if there is abuse then everyone will suffer eventually.


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