[Question] Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

[Sorcerer's Apprentice]

When was the last time they couldn't provide a date 3-4 months in advance? How could it be so vague STILL?

I'm ready to book mid Feb and am going to be super bummed if in a few weeks they announce "Feb 28th"!!

I care but I don't. Love the ride but can't wait to book any longer!!!!!

[sean317]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

I'm sure certain circumstances are preventing that from happening (aka CAL OSHA).

[micromind]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

A few possibilities come to mind;

1) Since calosha has found its latest gold mine, it's entirely possible that they are doing everything in their power to make life hard for DL. I've spent 39 years in the heavy construction trades; believe me, osha can indeed make a 3 month project take a whole year.

2) If structural problems were found, most likely there are a multitude of educated idiot engineers busily at work on it. And each one is mostly trying desperately to make himself look better than the rest.

3) TDC could easily be the problem here. In any number of ways......

4) All of the above.

More than likely, the main problem boils down to politics, not actual progression of hands-on work.

[Sorcerer's Apprentice]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

A few possibilities come to mind;1) Since calosha has found its latest gold mine, it's entirely possible that they are doing everything in their power to make life hard for DL. I've spent 39 years in the heavy construction trades; believe me, osha can indeed make a 3 month project take a whole year. 2) If structural problems were found, most likely there are a multitude of educated idiot engineers busily at work on it. And each one is mostly trying desperately to make himself look better than the rest. 3) TDC could easily be the problem here. In any number of ways......4) All of the above. More than likely, the main problem boils down to politics, not actual progression of hands-on work.

This makes perfect sense really, the state is hurtin' for money and Disney has a boat-load of it!!

[PinBrian]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

Having dealt with cal OSHA.....they can make life hell

[disneychrista]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

I like the simple answers - they do not know.

[Malina]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

You know, it also might be that they don't want to box themselves into a deadline. They had a concrete date before and couldn't meet it; they might not want to disappoint anyone again by failing to meet a second date.

IMHO I feel this is better - I would much rather that they take the time they need to ensure that EVERYTHING is okay, than to try to race to meet a specific date. I can totally understand how it would be frustrating and problematic for anyone trying to book a vacation right now, though.

[micromind]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

You know, it also might be that they don't want to box themselves into a deadline. They had a concrete date before and couldn't meet it; they might not want to disappoint anyone again by failing to meet a second date.

IMHO I feel this is better - I would much rather that they take the time they need to ensure that EVERYTHING is okay, than to try to race to meet a specific date. I can totally understand how it would be frustrating and problematic for anyone trying to book a vacation right now, though.

You have a good point here. By far the worst hazard I face on any job is being rushed. Reasonable deadlines are just that; reasonable. I really wish I'd see just one sometime......

Lol.

And even if the deadline were to be reasonable, some idiot with more power than brains would move it up to the point of impossible.

I'd much rather see a delayed opening than on time with endless breakdowns due to overly rushed construction.

[Eric5675]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

People making CalOSHA comments should probably be knowledgable enough to know that Disney is making these changes voluntarily and are not being fined...

But it sounds better...

[Nirya]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

Part of it is the original rework was designed and planned around before the new OSHA regulations came out. Disney is going back in now and redoing work so that they can bring the ride up to new OSHA standards. It's a voluntary thing, but really a good move on their part to get ahead of this before the fines really come.

[GiRiMama33]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

The DLR Media page has an opening date of 2/15/2014 listed.

[micromind]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

People making CalOSHA comments should probably be knowledgable enough to know that Disney is making these changes voluntarily and are not being fined...

But it sounds better...

The guy that fell off of Space Mountain resulted in a proposed fine of $234,850 against Disney. (By the way, this is roughly Bob Igers pay for one month.....)

From my experience, this fine was very likely reduced to somewhere around $50,000 to $75,000.

This is just one example, I bet there are more.

[Sorcerer's Apprentice]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

The DLR Media page has an opening date of 2/15/2014 listed.

I searched. Do you have a link?

[sean317]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

People making CalOSHA comments should probably be knowledgable enough to know that Disney is making these changes voluntarily and are not being fined...

But it sounds better...

I highly doubt they are "voluntarily" making Cal OSHA changes. More like making these changes in order NOT to be fined.

[sleepyjeff]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

You know, it also might be that they don't want to box themselves into a deadline. They had a concrete date before and couldn't meet it; they might not want to disappoint anyone again by failing to meet a second date.

This^

There is little upside to announcing a definite date and nearly a million reasons not to

[GiRiMama33]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

I searched. Do you have a link?

Yes.

http://media.disneywebcontent.com/StaticFiles/DTA-Domestic/pdf/D-MailPDF/IntlDmailDLRefurbishments.pdf

[BogLurch]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

I highly doubt they are "voluntarily" making Cal OSHA changes. More like making these changes in order NOT to be fined.

Or you could ALSO view it as making safety changes to the ride to prevent situations that might result in ANOTHER fatality on a coaster that's already killed one person.

OSHA's reactive. I'm not certain what a reactive safety organization did to create this utter distaste and animosity. MANY of the "OSHA" changes are being done by Disney in an overabundance of caution from *internal* directives, not OSHA slapping Disney. We'd know if OSHA had - there would be more ride closures, publicly filed suits for failing to follow directives etc.

Disney's been overreactive on this front before, and in this particular case they're dealing with a ride where there has been an actual customer fatality caused by a failure in the maintenance routines. Is it not entirely possible they may be a little sensitive to this and to the public reaction that would occur if a ride that has already killed one guest then had other very public breakdowns soon after it reopened - that they may JUST be trying to make sure they've got every possible test and safety protocol in place before opening?

Nah. HAS to be OSHA. Bad ol' OSHA, did you get mud on the carpet again?

[Sorcerer's Apprentice]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

Yes.
http://media.disneywebcontent.com/St...rbishments.pdf

Well I'll be, I sure hope that holds out true. That's right when we'll be arrivin'

Thanks for THAT!!

[4Apples4Disney]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

OSHA= Why the government should not be entrenched in every aspect of a company or our lives.

[second blue teacup]

Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

I'm willing to bet all the OSHA naysayers here have never actually worked in a hazardous workplace (ironically, probably thanks to OSHA).