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    "Since the beginning of mankind, the fable-tellers have not only given us entertainment but a kind of wisdom, humor, and understanding that, like all true art, remains imperishable through the ages."

    --- Walt Disney

    Mythia was originally to have been located in the Discovery Bay section of Disneyland. However, DCA has set the precedent for new parks, rather than crowding Disneyland and dilluting its themes.

    So, Land of Legends could easily be a park unto itself. Really, Greek and Roman myth could be a park unto itself, but that does seem a little odd. Instead, I think you could reImagineer World Showcase as an exploration of the oral traditions of places around the world.

    The trick, I think, is to incorporate certain stories without automatically making a tie-in to the Disney film. For instance, an English pavilion would naturally address King Arthur, but not through the Sword in the Stone film. Instead, they may want to use existing concepts for AK's dragon ride in the Beastlie Kingdomme proposal, and re-work it to Merlin's prophecy to Vortigern, in which Vortigern's tower rests on the den of two warring dragons. Or, perhaps as Sir Gawain's battle. Similarly, instead of Hercules, a ride could be based on Perseus and the killing of the gorgon.

    Skew the park a little older in theme. If there's one thing I remember from childhood, kids want to be treated like adults. As long as you create rides that the whole family can ride together, you can make the content a little darker and kids will eat it up. Plus, the American pavilion can include Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, and Johnny Appleseed, this time the Disney versions.
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  • #2
    I really like this idea and strongly encouraged this post.

    *Ireland- Celtic traditions-think of the possibilities
    *Norse- Vikings and a reach history.
    *South American- The Mayans and Aztecs- my goodness what can we expect?
    *Africa
    *Egypt
    *China
    *Japan
    *Australia-

    The list of myths and legends is endless and the possibilities are numerous. I would avoid the current miodern theme and historical significance of Epcot and focus on legends and myths as the focus for the park and I think it is a significant step towards a well themed and well developed idea for 3rd gate.






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    • #3
      Good ideas! Unfortunately (or not, depending on your point of view) and I am sure this has been discussed before, the third gate will probably end up being a clone of something at WDW- they are unlikely to try something new since DCA has been less than anticipated.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by dramaqueen
        Good ideas! Unfortunately (or not, depending on your point of view) and I am sure this has been discussed before, the third gate will probably end up being a clone of something at WDW- they are unlikely to try something new since DCA has been less than anticipated.
        Actually I highly doubt a cloned park-

        *MGM Studios has been ruled out by the presense of the backlot area in DCA.
        *Epcot was not well received but this hybred land of myth idea has more potiential.
        *Animal Kingdom will almost likely not put in Anaheim because it requires far more open space and treads to obviously on the feet of the World Famous San Diego Zoo and Animal Park. I could see a small possibility of a sponsership forming with the Wild Animal Park to become a Disney park but I put emphasis on small possibility.
        *DisneySea is has some potiential but may confuse people who would have otherwise visited SeaWorld San Diego

        I think we also need to think more of an original park with excellent theming that provides the magic of the first park while being completly different and worth the time of a visitor. A Disney spin on Myths and Legends might just be the ticket in my humble opinion....






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        • #5
          Agreed... In essence, Epcot is the result of someone saying "You got World Showcase in my Future World." "You gor Future World on my World Showcase." It's two differing parks that are vaguely united by the notion of creating the world's first permanent World's Fair. So, in choosing to "clone" only half the park, Disney is in fact going with a safe bet. I have never seen negativity toward World Showcase.

          But Disney is also mindful that DLR can't just get a clone park. That's a large part of the weight around DCA's neck. DCA didn't clone a theme from itself, but it's lacking original content. Learning from that lesson, Disney needs to take a good idea and kick it up a notch for its third gate.

          Personally, I'm still in favor of the ImagiNations concept, where the pavilions of the World Showcase have exciting rides that pour into the melting pot of America. But Land of Legends has a similar quality, in that it doesn't just sit around a lagoon and exist. It actively tells a brand new story that Disney has never told in one of its parks before.
          See, George Lucas? I'm not the only one! [<-- i.e. this is not my site]
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          "There are fashions in reading, even in thinking. You don't have to follow them unless you want to."

          "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

          -- Walt Disney

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          • #6
            This sounds like a great idea with LOTS of possibilities for exciting attractions, merch and food, but I have to admit, I am still taken by the idea of a park dedicated to villians.

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            • #7
              I like it.... I like it a lot.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dshimel
                I like it.... I like it a lot.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ah schucks
                  Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh Dshimel is back~! Whoop Whoop~!
                  Where'd I go?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dshimel
                    Where'd I go?
                    I just didn't see any posts from you for a while, thought you left-Tom






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                    • #11
                      Busy weekend, moved offices at work this morning so was off-line... and frankly, not much interesting going on here today.

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                      • #12
                        I wanted to resurect this post so I could get a better grasp of the vision and scope of this suggestion. Mod Hotter how would you layout the main entrance/drag area of the Myths and Legends park? I think these set a strong tone for the park and I am curious what the "Castle/Giant Silver Dome/Mann Chinness Theatre/Tree of Life" would be for this park?






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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ah schucks
                          I wanted to resurect this post so I could get a better grasp of the vision and scope of this suggestion. Mod Hotter how would you layout the main entrance/drag area of the Myths and Legends park? I think these set a strong tone for the park and I am curious what the "Castle/Giant Silver Dome/Mann Chinness Theatre/Tree of Life" would be for this park?
                          Yeah, I was toying with that earlier... My first instinct was too create a giant stylized campfire around which the park tells its stories. But noo matter what I do with that concept, it doesn't exactly make a cool Monorail accessory, if you know what I mean...

                          Another discarded concept was to create a Main St. where the building facades are those old leather-bound books with the gold lettering, and the weenie at the end is one of those old-style globes. But it just doesn't sound warm and inviting enough.

                          I think part of the trouble is coming up with a weenie that symbolizes all ofo the lands. But then I remembered, the Castle doesn't do that. It doesn't fit the theme of Main St., and it dooesn't really tell any storoy but that of Fantasyland. So, with the possibilites opened quite a bit, I started thinking aboout Mt. Olympus. Or maybe a giant unicorn.

                          I'm having a little trouble with this one. Hoping soomeone else has some good ideas to build on.
                          See, George Lucas? I'm not the only one! [<-- i.e. this is not my site]
                          78 Reasons To Hate Star Wars Episode 1

                          "There are fashions in reading, even in thinking. You don't have to follow them unless you want to."

                          "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

                          -- Walt Disney

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ferris
                            This sounds like a great idea with LOTS of possibilities for exciting attractions, merch and food, but I have to admit, I am still taken by the idea of a park dedicated to villians.

                            OH MY GOSH!! I LOVE that idea. Any ideas for names? Disney's Badland?
                            Ha ha.

                            Seriously, I really love that idea.
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                            • #15
                              Despite the obvious parrelles to Universal Studios and Epcot, I have always liked the giant globe idea, but I would build a skelton, see through globe with a giant fountain in the middle and beneath the fountain, super strong lights the shin out from the water, add some steam effects and lasers and it would look really amazing at night but look trival in the day.

                              My other thought is to build a giagantic center, a compass like on the old maps of the world, so that the park was laid out somewhat similar to those old maps.






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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by ModHatter
                                Yeah, I was toying with that earlier... My first instinct was too create a giant stylized campfire around which the park tells its stories. But noo matter what I do with that concept, it doesn't exactly make a cool Monorail accessory, if you know what I mean...

                                Another discarded concept was to create a Main St. where the building facades are those old leather-bound books with the gold lettering, and the weenie at the end is one of those old-style globes. But it just doesn't sound warm and inviting enough.

                                I think part of the trouble is coming up with a weenie that symbolizes all ofo the lands. But then I remembered, the Castle doesn't do that. It doesn't fit the theme of Main St., and it dooesn't really tell any storoy but that of Fantasyland. So, with the possibilites opened quite a bit, I started thinking aboout Mt. Olympus. Or maybe a giant unicorn.

                                I'm having a little trouble with this one. Hoping soomeone else has some good ideas to build on.
                                I know that Disney Sea has a volcano as its weenie, but I think that would be really cool but have it be Mount Vesuvius or something along those lines. But I think we should stop talking about this idea so Disney can do it!
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                                • #17
                                  I thought of something and made a crude mock up of it. Set the entrance around a giant compass built and molded into the ground, the main drag, follows a main street set up of some sort- the books are a wonderful idea- they are non-specific to any country so they are themed and yet not biased. Then the center piece would be a giant statue- actually a giant mask, larger in size than the Sun at DCA. The mask would be the weather face we see commonally on maps and every few minutes a high powered wind generator would send a breeze down the main boulvard- representing the winds of time.

                                  Behind the mask we could house a ride about the orgins of Myths and Legends, something that pulls the park together. Then the rest of the park would be laid out like the Old World map as shown here. Pretty basic but the park maps would look impressive. Here is a visual.







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                                  • #18
                                    wow I really like that idea! you could make the compass a nifty fountain with the compass hands actually going around and pointing certain directions timed to a speil about myths (the hands would point at whatever land the spiel was currently saying). You could have the entrance tunnel right after the compass be big clipper ship and on the sail the name of the park would be written. It would be awesome if every hour or so the wind face actually blew a strong gust of wind... doubtful it would be strong enough to hit the ships sail, but you could put in hidden fans that blow the sail in time to this big wind gust. Circling the perimeter of the park on tracks you could have symbols of the other weather that you find on maps; sun, moon etc. Just to add some visual kinetic energy. It would be completely awesome if the outer perimeter of the park as show on your map example had sidewalks actually painted just like that map.
                                    seems like there is something you could do with the star constellations and how they form "pictures" as well... but not sure what right now.

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                                    • #19
                                      I am hoping more people will read this and add suggestions for this idea, I think this is an amazing hypothetical thread with a viable suggestion and twist on what we have seen.

                                      Come on people what kind of rides would we want to see in a park representing the Legends and Myth of the World. IE- Arabian Nights/Aladdin attraction in the Middle East. A Viking ride for the Norse area. King Arthur for the British Isles. etc






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                                      • #20
                                        Well, I don't have a specific ride type in mind, but Disney is sorely deficient in tapping into the allure of Egypt. Some people seem to think a 1906 Great Earthquake and fire attraction is stealing from Universal ( :confused: USH invented erthquakes???), so I suppose a mummy attraction is out. But I think you could make a "cinematic" dark ride. I'll have to drag out my Time-Life mythology series and come up with the details.
                                        See, George Lucas? I'm not the only one! [<-- i.e. this is not my site]
                                        78 Reasons To Hate Star Wars Episode 1

                                        "There are fashions in reading, even in thinking. You don't have to follow them unless you want to."

                                        "A lot of young people think the future is closed to them, that everything has been done. This is not so. There are still plenty of avenues to be explored."

                                        -- Walt Disney

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